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Part 2: 2017 Jesus Christ Returns 100% Ironclad Proof: Response to My Critics
by Daniel John Lee
1/19/14
After publishing my article entitled 2017 Jesus Christ Returns 100% Ironclad Proof, I was inundated with negative comments all with the common strain:
“No man can know the day and the hour”.
This phrase comes from TWO specific passages in scripture.
1. Matthew 24:35-44
2. Mark 13:32-37
First, let’s examine Matthew 24:35-44. This passage is very similar to Luke 17:22-30. In both of these passages Noah and the Flood are mentioned, and/or Lot escaping from Sodom.
What does this tell us? Noah, the righteous one, who loved Yah and was perfect in his generations, knew the EXACT day and hour to get into the Ark. In fact, he was given a 7 day warning!
Lot, also, being warned of 2 angels, knew the EXACT day and hour to get out of Sodom before it perished in fire!
In other words, it was the sleeping masses upon whom destruction came like a snare, but the righteous ones were fully aware of the exact day and hour of when to escape.
Now, people have falsely accused me, saying, “Daniel, what makes YOU think you are the only one who knows the day and hour — aka the 7th new moon of 2017 — as Christ’s return for His Bride?”
These baseless charge are built upon two faulty premises:
1. There are multitudes of other Christians and Messianics throughout the Bride of Christ that have, by different ways, come to the same conclusion as I have.
2. I do NOT know the EXACT day and hour — in terms of the EXACT moment Christ is returning for His Bride! To understand what I mean, let us look at Mark 13:32-37
As of the time of the events in Mark 13:31-37, not even Yahshua (Jesus) knew the exact moment of His return (although undoubtedly He knows now that He has been glorified and once more sits enthroned between the twin cherubim).
However, the verse goes on to stipulate that YahShua may return at evening, at midnight, in the predawn hours or at morning. In other words, the PRECISE time is not known. Even here, the warning is given in vs 36 — to be watching, lest one falls into spiritual slumber. Again, this matches with both Matthew 24:35-44 and Luke 17:22-30 in terms of saying the wicked will not know, but the righteous will!
It has been 100% ironclad proven that YahShua is returning on the day of the 7th New Moon (Feast of Trumpets 2017). To dispute this would be to dispute historical records, the Jubilee given in Torah, and just plain facts. However, the 7th new moon spans from the evening of 9/20/17 to the evening of 9/21/17. Thus, I cannot tell you the precise moment He is coming for His Bride — it could be at sunset of 9/20/17, midnight of 9/21/17, predawn of 9/21/17 or as the sun rises on 9/21/17. Just as Mark 13 plainly declares, I do not know the precise day and hour!
And just because many other false prophets of the past have wrongly predicted Jesus Christ’s return, in no way invalidates the Truth I exalt. This, again, is a straw horse and false premise by which my critics are operating from.
YahShua the Messiah is returning in just a little over 3.5 years from now! You had best prepare yourself and stop mocking and falsely accusing me! For if you continue as a detractor on this matter, you are merely fulfilling this prophecy in II Peter 3:3-6:
“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying — ‘Where is the promise of YahShua’s coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.’
“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the Word of Yah the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water; Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, PERISHED!”
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Perhaps if you left out phrases such as “100 % ironclad proof” and “THIS IS A FACT!!!” people would criticize you less. The definitions of the words “proof” and “fact” are meant to be objective statements and will always be incompatible with predictions…and as long as you continue to make statements like that, you discredit yourself with those who aspire to remain objective.
We’ll see come March 11th, Daniel, just as brother Beef Supreme indicated, many will be watching as your fruits are produced.
In the meantime i’d love to discuss your insistence on putting the ‘Yah’ element into Messiah’s name. This can only be attributed to Hebraically ignorant folk who made it up. Once, i too, wanted to have this element of Father’s name put upon His Son but it became obvious that Messiah would be called Yeshua a contraction of Yehoshua our Savior. Names are important as you well know, DanielJohnLee.
You might think i’m nitpicking to distract but we have time to while, your prophecy is weeks away, so…
Brother Beef spells Fathers name YHWH: presumably because he knows that this is all we know. Yahweh is arguably our conceited attempt at familiarity with the Sovereign Creator and yet it is how i choose to pronounce this Name above all. “Yah” i do not like; just as i won’t allow my own name to be shortened. Always wondered where that came from, no one calls me ‘Kev’.
For a while i objected to Jesus and God but less so these days as, once the distracting arguments are dealt with, the intent was to definitively identify entities from the Bible. I’ll use all of these, as best suits, although i prefer the use of Hebrew names for Hebrews.
Mayhem,
While I never use ‘Yah’ in reference to THE NAME, we find it used 49 times in Scripture. (Note that number of seven times seven.) I don’t use it because I’m partial to the Name Yahweh, and for no other reason. I also prefer ‘Father’ to ‘dad’ or ‘abba’ – just as you don’t care to be called ‘Kev.’ But there is plenty of scriptural support for ‘YAH’ which could well be something more than just a contraction.
We’re in the unenviable position of having to rely on the Occultist’s explanation of the Hebrew Language in many of these instances. They’re the ones who resurrected it, and they’re the ones who reformulated it to suit their purposes. We’re likely to find out our Father’s Name bears no resemblance whatsoever to anything we’ve heard to this point. It is possible that we’ve been lied to as extensively as that.
But from Strong’s, here we have:
H3050 (49X0 יהּ yâhh yaw Contracted for H3068, and meaning the same; Jah, the sacred name: – Jah, the Lord, most vehement. Cp. names in “-iah,” “-jah.”
JAH (1X), the LORD (48X)
I stand corrected and humbled by His words. Thank Yahweh for Beef Supreme, knowledgeable for Scripture. I’m glad you made time for me.
“I’m glad you made time for me.”
Ninja, please.
I gots me plenty a time for the brethren.
The wind-bag author of this joke article thinks he knows more than all of the Church’s beatified and canonized fathers and doctors combined. Sorry, pal. They are somebody. You are nobody.
“Thus, I cannot tell you the precise moment He is coming for His Bride — it could be at sunset of 9/20/17, midnight of 9/21/17, predawn of 9/21/17 or as the sun rises on 9/21/17.”
FALSE TEACHING ALERT
The above prediction is no different than the many false predictions from the likes of Harold Camping and company. Do not be misled by someone is does not take into account what the Scriptures tell us. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the Second Coming to occur on 9/20/17 or 9/21/17. Even if the 1st woe started today (it hasn’t), then that takes 150 days, then you would have the 1260 days of the 2 witnesses, after which the Second Coming would be imminent. So if you take today’s date of 1/16/2014 and add 150 days for the first woe and 1260 days for the second woe, that brings you to 11/26/2017, past the date the article claims is THE date.
Jesus said we would know when we are in the season of His return (and we are in that season right now) and we would also know when it is right at the door, or truly imminent. Here is how and when we will know the Second Coming is right at the door, or truly imminent:
There are 3 woes in the Book of Revelation (REV 8:13). In the 1st woe, which lasts 5 months, Abaddon, or the Destroyer (REV 9:11), comes on the scene. During the first woe, no one dies, though many will wish they could (see REV 9:6). But many, many, many will die in the 2nd and 3rd woes (Trumpets 6 and 7). There are 4 angels bound right now at the Euphrates river. When they are loosed, they will kill a third of all mankind (see REV 9:14-15, this is during the time of the second woe). The 2nd woe consists of the 1260 day (REV 11:3) ministry of the two who are one. Their 1260 days coincides with the 1260 days of the Antichrist (Mr. 666). Then at the conclusion of the 1260 days of the two witnesses, at the conclusion of the 2nd woe, the 3rd woe will come quickly thereafter (REV 11:14). The 3rd woe occurs simultaneously with, and in concert with, the Second Coming (rapture). So it is at the conclusion of the 2nd woe that the 3rd woe/Second Coming will be truly imminent, right at the door (Matthew 24:33).
At the advent of the 3rd woe, at the sounding of the 7th trumpet (REV 11:15), there will be “a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great” (REV 16:18). And Christ will come riding on the clouds (REV 1:7) in a more than awesome burst of power and glory to set up the eternal kingdom of God at the glorious conclusion and climatic and cataclysmic exclamation point at the end of the age known as the Second Coming of Christ!
To any and all Christians: study the Scriptures for yourselves and when you see a counterfeit teaching like this article
, you will know it is garbage.
EDIT/CORRECTION:
“Do not be misled by someone is does not take into account what the Scriptures tell us.”
You better hope Jesus AND God do not exist ……..
“You had best prepare yourself and stop mocking and falsely accusing me! ” the author states.
To the contrary, we are instructed to test or prove all prophecies (see 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21) and only keep that which is good, that which lines up with Scripture and to throw out the garbage.
Your teaching does not pass the Scripture test, so it should be discarded.
Daniel,
You’ve now stepped completely into the weeds brother, and you are headed right into the wilderness. Would you listen to yourself?
You wrote:
“Now, people have falsely accused me, saying, “Daniel, what makes YOU think you are the only one who knows the day and hour — aka the 7th new moon of 2017 — as Christ’s return for His Bride?””
Since when is a question a false accusation? Let us suppose, for a moment, that you are a legitimate prophet. Are you unaware of the vast array of liars and deceivers who have come before you, and continue to parade themselves across the stage even to this day? Why are you then surprised by the response you are getting? How could you even expect it to be other than what it has been? In a few week’s time, we’ll have our answer about you, definitively: whether you be legitimate, or whether you be just another in a long line of deluded or fraudulent actors.
NOTE: Personally, I am happy to give you the room you need in the event that you are legitimate. Much about your message and your delivery speaks to legitimacy. But none of it matters if you are wrong, and if you are wrong, then you had better repent, and you had better hang up the prophet hat, never to touch it again.
I believe also that we can know ALMOST specifically when Messiah will return, but this knowledge will be based on the discovery and revelation of the Man of Sin.
You are trying to use the rabbi’s lunar calendar, or some other variant of a lunar calendar. This alone tells me you are not who you claim to be. YHWH’s method for counting time, ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE, absolutely rules out the usage of ANY form of lunar calendar. Months in YHWH’s system for counting time are composed of 30 days each, ONLY, EVER. There are NO exceptions to this, and there is never a thirteenth month in His system. YHWH’s system is septenary, meaning it is based on repeating sets of seven. The Jubilee does not come every 50 years – it comes every 49. While it is in fact the 50th year, it is ALSO the first year of a new Jubilee set at the same time. The flood narrative in Genesis will give you five consecutive months of 30 days each. Months in Daniel and in Revelation also are composed of 30 days each, only and ever. The idea of a ‘prophetic calendar’ or of ‘prophetic months’ is a fallacy concocted to satisfy a discrepancy; false seed which finds no purchase in the pages of Scripture.
Also – the fact that the lunar calendar synchs up the feast dates perfectly with eclipse dates should surprise no one, given the fact that a lunar calendar is a no-miss system when it comes to the lunar eclipse schedule, which schedule the rabbis and OTHER occultists have been able to calculate accurately for millennia. YHWH’s system for marking time is not a lunar-based system. The Moon is for signs (otot) and for seasons (moedim) and for days (yomim) and for years (shanaim). It is NOT for the Chodesh, and in fact the Moon has no bearing at all on counting the Chodesh (Genesis 1:14). Any time you see a lunar calendar referred to in Scripture, it is the calendar of Babylon being erroneously conflated with YHWH’s system.
You have backed yourself into a very dire corner, brother. If you are right, you have my blessings and you will have my apologies, as well as my offer of assistance if you want or need it. If you are wrong, I expect to hear from you then just as I have heard from you now.
Everyone is watching you. And you better believe MESSIAH is watching you.
Time will tell.
May YHWH’s Name be magnified.
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Beef wrote:this knowledge will be based on the discovery and revelation of the Man of Sin.
The eyes of the whole world are now being focused on the Man of Sin, a human being who fits
the description. What if this theology is an erroneous interpretation of certain scriptures?
Have you ever thought about the implications such an error could have on everybody?
Until that Man of Sin be revealed…
We have the model for this Man of Sin repeated for us throughout the entire Narrative of Scripture, beginning with Nimrod, the 13th from Adam, through King Saul, Antiochus, Nero, Alexander…
Scripture is clear — there will be a World Leader in the Last Days.
Are we looking for a human being, Owl? Maybe. But nothing in Scripture demands such a limitation.
I believe you are suggesting that Messiah can return at any moment now, and that most if not all of the prophetic requirements have been satisfied. I do not see things according to this view. I believe firmly that certain elements of the last days will be UNMISTAKABLE in their nature; i.e., the Great Tribulation (a time like no other in the history of man), and the revelation of the Man of Sin (a “man” who will be like no other in the history of men).
YHWH separates. The Enemy combines. One motto of the Enemy is ‘E Pluribus Unum’ — out of many, ONE. The Man of Sin will be (I believe) composed of many elements; the product of a union of mingled seed. Think it not possible that even the union of male and female could be manifested within his being. ADAM KADMON is the primeval man of the Occultist’s religion. He is a man with female sexual organs and reproductive capacity. ADAM KADMON will be (I believe) exemplified in the Man of Sin, who will stand in for those who take the Mark of the Beast as their THIRD PARENT — the progenitor of the THIRD SEED which will mingle itself with the Sons of Men to create the New Man. This new body, a ‘temple’ built with hands, will not be a fit dwelling place for the Spirit of the Most High. YHWH dwelleth not in temples made with hands.
The point is this: We are not yet within the final 42 months (chodeshim) of prophecy. The inauguration of the final 42 months will commence with the Abomination Which Makes Desolate, standing in the holy place. What holy place? What is the temple? Man is the temple. The Idol Shepherd will be standing in the body (the temple) of man when he is revealed to the world — probably in the form of a BAPTISM performed under the auspices of Il Papa, and possibly beneath the sign of a lunar eclipse and other attendant signs in the heavens. The final 42 months will be counted according to YHWH’s System of counting, and no other. This system for counting requires a specific methodology and the inclusion of uncounted Marker Days.
Messiah’s ministry is going to be counterfeited, Owl. Make no mistake about that. And it hasn’t happened yet. I doubt many of us are going to miss it when it does.
One thing we presently lack are the ASHES from which the ‘Phoenix’ (Ho Antichristos) will arise.
Where there’s smoke there’s fire. Everything in due course.
You do have some interesting thoughts about things, Beef. We will have to see how it all plays out, won’t we?
Yes we will, Owl. Just remember — our Father has a habit of UNDERSTATING things. Therefore, when He says ‘POWERFUL DELUSION’… if there’s even a chance we might have missed it, then it’s safe to say it hasn’t happened yet.
None of us are going to miss what’s coming. Upcoming are going to be the BIGGEST events in all of recorded history. The events on deck are going to DWARF even the most memorable of historical occurrences. World War II? That was practice. Tiny little atomic bombs weren’t even invented until the very end. Today we have THERMONUCLEAR city destroyers. We have weaponized ebola and swine flu. We have drones with smart bombs. We have DNA altering technology. We have earthquake and tsunami generating technology. We have weather manipulation capacities which haven’t even been unleashed yet.
There’s just no way we get to the end of this thing without coming face-to-face with all of the above listed capabilities, not to mention the ones none of us have even heard about. Hitler, Stalin and Mao, on their best day, were as nothing compared with what is coming.
Famine. Pestilence. Sword. And we are going to make the acquaintance of some ‘nice’ other-than-human fellows. The Earth is going to be shaken.
Both figuratively…
…and literally.
THINK BIG, Owl.
Indeed, Beef, you are expecting project Blue Beam to come to fruition, the brainchild of Lucifer and the NWO.
Why do you think it’s written that even after the bowls are poured out, people do not repent? Isn’t it because they do not see, do not realize what hit them, always expecting bigger events?
It seems to me that even if New York gets wiped off the earth by a meteor hit, Jerusalem split into three parts and the cities of the nations collapse, people will still be waiting for the Antichrist to come.
Even so…
Jerusalem is still intact and New York still stands.
And I haven’t had a problem buying or selling yet.
Also, none have made me fall to my knees in worship to the image when I heard the ‘cornet’, ‘flute’, ‘harp’, ‘sackbut’, ‘psaltery’, ‘dulcimer’, and all kinds of “MUSIC.”
(YHWH speaks once, yea twice, and men perceive it not.)
Too many prophecies have not had their perfect fulfillment.
Isaiah 17:1 has not been fulfilled — at no time in history was Damascus “taken away from being a city.” It will be soon.
Also: The BORDERS of the nations haven’t been removed yet, and all the wealth of the world hasn’t been completely stolen yet. These are two feats said to be accomplished by the end time World Leader himself.
So yes… we’re still waiting for ‘him.’ And as I said earlier, I really doubt that we’re going to miss it when he arrives.
The World Wondered After The Beast.
There are 2,500 prophecies in the Bible and around 2,000 of them have been fulfilled and at least 500 of them unequivocally. The probability for the last group is quite staggering but the chance for two thousand is absolutely beyond our ability to comprehend.
I mean: the probability has 120 decimal places and there’s a law that says we accept 50 decimal places as absolute, and this number has 120. Look at that number this way, there isn’t enough sand on earth to demonstrate… OR… that many quarks (smallest thing we know) add up to more than the known universe. You get the idea without me having to resort to statistics, i can go there but lets face it a cold shower sounds like more fun.
The argument that Scripture is wrong does not withstand reasoned criticism and this is true regarding the accuracy of the prophecies. Not ever and not even based on probability. Ya’ll must know me a little by now, i can back up all of that. There’s no chance or we’d never have heard the end of it.
Did i see you, desert owl, some days ago? Castigating another for denying the signs in the sky? You didn’t say exactly which signs, whether ISON or the annual bolide shower. Point is 8 out of 10 folk that i ask have never heard of either and don’t look for shooting stars anyway.
And just as Beef Supreme says there’s going to be no need to tilt the head to the side, squint or anything. We’ll be in no doubt, none, when it all kicks off.
Huzzah.
Are you people for real??
Haha Yes, I’m afraid they are.
It’s all real to them. Like fairies, middle earth and the boogie man.
It’s no use trying to talk to them though, you can’t reason with loons!
You won’t be able to reason with the Man of Sin, or with his servants, either.
You will WORSHIP before them, however.
Blah, blah, blah
I’ve heard it all before “BEEF SUPREME”. You’re full of crap!
I have no problem with people subscribing to a religion to get them through the day if that’s what they need.
It’s you crazy, evangelical types that feel the need to impose your fanaticism upon us all that irritate me.
Go forth, be with your god and leave the rest of us to sin in peace.
“For real” That’s your question? You’re not thinking right and just like TheRealist you are free to sin in peace, if you can call it that. I rather see your torment and it’s not peaceful by any measure.
Too deep? I’ll make it simple then. Who forced you to bear our odious whimpering?
Excuse my sanctimony. That torment? We share it.
Hmmm thanks for simplifying that for me Mayhem.
I was indeed drowning in your spiritual and intellectual superiority
I’ll answer your question:
I’m an atheist but I’m not a narrow minded idiot. Coming from a scientific background, I embrace the idea that one day I may be proven wrong.
So when someone posts an article such as this one, with a title claiming to have “…100% ironclad proof…” [of Jesus], I take a look.
So the “simple” answer is: the author and his ilk force me to bear your illogical fanaticism.
I’m intrigued to know what you feel my torment is?
I have no idea if you’re sanctimonious Mayhem, I certainly try not to be.
That said, i guess it’s a common human condition
Just as i am intrigued to know why you might think this torment is unique to you. Look around we all share in it. It’s the sowing and reaping thing.
Your definition of ‘force’ is lacking. Get it? No one made you come here only to bark derision. You are free to sin in peace, if that’s what you call it.
Fair enough…my own curiosity forces me to come take a look and my natural human instinct to act upon irritation pushes me to pass comment and yes that sometimes manifests as derision.
You personalised the torment statement with “…your…”. I took that literally.
Oh and the reference to sin was tongue in cheek (More derision).
Now it’s late and I must sleep but I thank you for the opportunity we both got to flex our vocabulary a little.
As did i, enjoy our conversation. The comment regarding my behaviour was an admission and not meant for you alone, TheRealist.
Be well.
Wellz, here we are again, Sir Daniel the Detractor Slayer. Do you have some fast track information on when the Abomination which makes Desolate is ready to set up or sumpin’? That’s the only ironclad proof for the countdown. After 40 years of studying scripture on this matter, my conclusion is, Don’t conclude anything until you see that sign.
curious hourglass you bear. just don’t get tangled in the web.
2033.