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So, You Want to Bury Your Guns?
From full-on, doomsday preppers to simple gun-owners who fear impending gun control (read, confiscation) by the U.S. government, Guns.com has seen quite a spike recently in inquiries on how to stash a few firearms underground. So, what should one consider before building a “hillbilly cache”?
Shhhh… We’re hiding something
A few years back, a shooter friend of mine from Canada told me about the fear he and his father felt towards Canadian gun control legislation. In the course of our conversation, he admitted that his dad had buried a bunch of guns “out by the family well”. I was glad he told me. We were friends and he trusted that I wouldn’t tell a single soul, which I didn’t. Well, until now.
The decision to cache your weapons is a very personal decision and my friend is only okay with me sharing his story with a couple hundred thousand interested readers today because, well, because of none of your business. But I tell his story here because it helps illustrate a greater point: a secret is a secret until it isn’t.
If you ever plan on burying your survival treasure, you do well to remember the old adage, “loose lips, sink ships.” If you tell just two really good friends, expect them to tell at least two of their most trusted friends and don’t be too surprised when you find a stranger telling you about a bunch of guns buried in the west corner lot of your grand-daddy’s apple orchard. Also realize that if the story of your guns is being told, inevitably someone listening will suggest finding them.
It should also go without saying that the place you chose needs to be discrete. You are going to get spotted burying your guns in the in the middle of the concrete jungle like say downtown Chicago so pick a place that’s private, without the potential for a ton of foot traffic (or construction work).
“X” marks the spot (now don’t move it)
After keeping other people from knowing where your stash is buried, the second most important thing you need to address when you bury your guns is making sure you’ll still be able to find them when it counts. A nuclear blast or an epic natural disaster could level trees and man-made structures, so it’s important to be able to find the exact location of your dig without relying on these temporary features. Rather chose a prominent, natural landmark—a place that won’t erode, move or disappear—and navigate your stash spot from there. Although writing this location down step-by-step does have its advantages, it’s best to memorize this location.
Alternate solutions exist, specifically the use of electronic locators or other devices to keep track of your guns’ location. Though convenient, realize that relying on this equipment carries its own concerns. Aside from the potential for mechanical failure, you may also have to contend with power outages, battery life and the feasibility of long-term storage if you rely solely on this method. Finally, understand that if you can see or read your guns location remotely, others have the ability to do so as well.
Lastly, whatever you bury (gold, guns, ammo etc.), plan on having it there for a long – very long – time. Though it may be macabre to think about it, you may be dead before it even comes time to dig these weapons back up so chose your stash guns wisely. Chose guns that you are prepared to say goodbye to but also be fairly reliable (i.e. not the cheapest pistol you can find).
Rust and guns don’t mix
Metal and moisture can’t mix in long-term storage scenarios and one major thing to contend with when burying your gun is that the two are going to be neighbors for a long time. The ground holds rainwater and your gun (even your new polymer Glock) has metal components. Any metal that is wet will rust and rusting like this can lock solid your assembly’s mechanical pieces, taking the gun out of commission.
To combat this, I suggest a two-phase plan of attack: first, protect the gun itself from moisture, then find a suitable, relatively airtight container for the weapon.
8-10″ PVC pipe can be used to make custom fit capsules to bury your guns underground.
Painting your pieces with cosmoline rust preventives is a good first step here, but you definitely need to clean and dry your guns and then lather them with gun packing grease. You should put it on pretty thick because, as mentioned above, you really don’t know when this gun is going to be unearthed and the grease will dry up over time. Axle or high temperature bearing grease could work too, I suppose.
Whatever you use, it should be something you can clean off with an alcohol or acetone base liquid like gasoline or thinner. Remember to keep something like it in your emergency tool kit, just in case.
Moving on to the vessel, an eight or 10-inch PVC pipe usually does the trick. PVC pipe won’t serve as a rust conduit like other tubing or piping will and you can cut pieces to accommodate long guns or handguns. A couple of caps or a threaded plug can be used on either side and you can tighten these up further by sealing any gaps with silicone caulk.
It’s not a bad idea to wrap the guns first in wax butcher paper before placing them in the pipe, but whatever you do, make sure not to use plastic. Plastic sweats meaning condensates, which leads to rust.
Ammo, Got Some?
It’s been said there’s only two times you don’t want more ammo: when you’re swimming or when you’re on fire. It should go without saying that when you’re talking about burying guns, you are also talking about burying and storing some ammo.
Buy mil-spec factory ammo—you’ll know it’s sealed by the red dye around the primer. Though not ideal, a little moisture won’t hurt it, really, so there’s no need to do anything more to your ammo than box it up good. However, cold temperatures are horrible on ammo—it messes up the powder inside the casing and will result in low-pressures. To avoid this, you’ll need to go below the frost line when you dig your hole. Depending on what part of the country that is, about four feet should suffice (no worries, metal detectors won’t usually detect down that far).
Also, don’t forget extra magazines and little lube (not grease) to keep them nice. Again, don’t wrap anything in plastic.
Until next time, continue to hone your skills and keep adding to your tactical toolbox.
This article was originally published on Guns.com on 01/29/2013
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Bury them? Americans can still lawfully carry them in the open.
fused nail they was refering too burying them now because LATER they might not be legal , and impossible too get legally!! Their is already ammo shortages so better get it while u can.
never bury them, LOAD, them or you will never see them again
Burying a ‘gun stash’ (or any other ‘iron-metal’ stash underground) is nearly impossible without understanding a few things.
First off, when you bury something underground, waterproofing it is ALMOST impossible unless you are rich or informed. Don’t believe the ‘hillbilly hype’, you are not going to take a PVC pipe and put an ‘easy access ‘screw end’ on it and keep anything in it dry, just like you aren’t going to zip-lock-in-a-5-gallon-sealed-bucket your way to a personal arms stash, either.
The first thing you MUST consider is groundwater, second temperature variation, third is temperatures. What this means, is if you live in South Arizona or Fairbanks Alaska, you’ve got it made. The rest of you are going to build high-quality water-pressure subsurface vaults, or you’re going to most-likely lose your weapons.
Lowest end construction for a ‘Missouri vault’ (temperate region with 40-50 inches of rain per year) is to first, take your rifle or pistol apart, buy about 10-large jars of Vaseline (cheaper than Cosmoline), pack ALL metal parts in a heavy coat of it, wrap it in a heavy-duty trash bag, vacuum-pack this bag if at all possible in another bag, now insert it into either an HDPE ‘open-ended 55-gallon water barrel’ (dried out, of course), with the rest of your ‘stash items’ in there with it, then vaseline all seals and solidly seal the barrel ensuring that you ‘collapsed it’ a small amount to reduce air pressure so that hot days do not burst the barrel. Now, start digging – and ideally, you want to get the top of your container BELOW your worst-case frost line for your area (call a local plumber for frost line depths).
When you ‘retrieve’ your goodies, the Vaseline is super-easy to clean off, just put into a tank or pot of boiling water, and it will melt off and rise to the top. Scoop it off. Ask any Marine about washing weapons – it’s not that bad on them, we used to wash M-16′s all the time in soapy water. Just make sure to dry them thoroughly and oil them well afterwards.
The biggest problems with underground vaulting is not realizing that when you seal that barrel, you are also sealing a LOT of water in there with your metal. Air holds water vapor. With temperature changes, over time, that water condensates. Make sure to throw PLENTY of water-absorber into that barrel with your stash (no, not 5-lbs of Morton Salt, either, think SILICA).
Regardless of all you work at to hide weapons, you can’t get past DEEP UNDERGROUND SCANNING RADAR. The U.S. Military has had access to it for several years now. DARPA did Project DUMSTR, which gave them scanning ability to a depth of 1-MILE, for the purpose of searching out hidden vaults, bunkers, tunnels, armaments and related stashes. I am quite sure they have a small portable version of this for handheld use, to look deeper than you are willing to dig, anyway.
Could you bury the guns below concrete in basements of metal building? Could you scatter metal shavings over several acres of land to throw radar off? Could you encase guns in mylar bags uncased in epoxy for waterproof?
Bait line,…..cast,…..wait for it, wait for it, “THERE YOU GO, GOT IT”!!! Seriously? You gunna burry dem guns? I’m no master of the English language but lets just get stupid, K? Has anyone researched the surveillance network in the past 70 years or so? No? You have no knowledge of it? It has always existed but ramped up in the 50′s with the creation of the NSA. Phone calls being recorded as early as the 50′s. States being data mined for hunting records as well as schools for info on kids and parents as early as the 70′s if not sooner. Take a gander around the net on tech sites about how they have been using the technology they afford us against us for decades. Those little wireless devices, clouds, and routers are cool aint they? Just have those weapons close. Let your neighbors watch your door be jackbooted while your “property”, (and I use that term loosely), is taken from you. Never do anything stupid nor advocate it and be the martyr. All that data they have been storing for decades in facilities around the country is to be used against you at a later date and they will “find” those little gold nuggets you have buried. For those who don’t have a clue about data storage just take a look at how much can be stored on a nano chip. After you’ve done that research the size of the data storage facilities around the country and you will see things a little different. Don’t forget that tech your using was definitely being used by TPTB at least 30 years or more before you had it, so don’t go thinking your the big pimp on the block with the latest and greatest “smart” phone. How smart is ya? If you want to waste your valuable time, knock your socks off. Your better off spending that time researching and educating people. Commenting on a site like this advocating such a thing will just make you watched all the more.