When I was learning a little about the birds and the bees — some from my father, some from our home set of the Encyclopedia Britannica and some from the older kids on the elementary school playground, I was told about homosexuality. I remember the grimace of sole that gripped my being when I began to understand that there were some men who lived with another man as a man would live with his wife. I remember shutting my eyes tight and saying “yuck”.
The absolute worse thing you could call a boy on my school yard playground was a “queer”.That was a fighting word, not because of the word itself as it is today because no one in my circle of friends knew the word “homosexual”. ”Queer” was a fighting word because of the automatic ilk of feelings that accompanied the thought ofa sexual relationship of a man with a man.
The Holy Spirit was doing his job among us of convicting us of (what) sin (is) (John 16:8) and convincing (informing) us of right, wrong and judgment.
The Holy Spirit still does his job. Because the Holy Spirit still does his job, I know most adults feel the same yuck about homosexuality that children do.
“God gave them over to shameful lusts….” (Romans 1:26). This verse deals with the shameful lust of homosexuality. Homosexuality is not only a sin, but it is a particularity shame-filled sin. Because the Holy Spirit does his job, the majority of people who are homosexual and who defend homosexuality are filled with shame about their involvement in and/or defense of same-sex activity.
I recognize there are a few who have such a deadened conscience that they do not feel the depth of that shame. They share that lack of sensitivity along with sociopaths and psychopaths. However, sociopaths and psychopaths are only about 1% of the population. I find it interesting that only about 2% of the world are homosexual.
It is, in my opinion, unproductive to spend excessive time and energy quoting the Bible to homosexuals. Tell them what the Bible states because they need to know, but also tell them that you know what the Holy Spirit has filled them with, which is shame. Most of them feel the full weight of that shame, but they do not want you to know it. Tell them that you know they are shame-filled. Invite them to come to know Jesus who can take away their shame. If you have lived ashamed of yourself, you know how powerful shame is and how it ate away at your very being. The term “gay-pride” is a desperate attempt to get rid of the shame with a slogan. Slogans cannot get rid of shame. The rainbow symbol is an attempt to add something bright, pretty and God-approving to their dark and ugly lives. Bright symbols does not get rid of the darkness in their lives nor make ugly realities disappear. No matter how many God-ordained symbols they steal from scripture, God will never approve of homosexuality.
At some point, shame becomes like a mounting tooth-ache. Nothing else matters but to end it. Offer them a way out from under their heavy burden of shame. That way out is Jesus. Remember how the weight of your sin drove you to salvation in Christ. It is the same for everyone!
Before you talk with a person about homosexuality, know how to lead a person to freedom of soul and spirit that is only found in salvation.
““God gave them over to shameful lusts….” (Romans 1:26). This verse deals with the shameful lust of homosexuality.”
Only because you want that verse to infer homosexuality. Could it be that “shameful lusts” refers to any lust that is not a product of a monogamous relationship? How about excessive lust? For all we know, “shameful lusts” may not be referring to sex, of any kind. Lust for money? Power? The author(s) may have been referring to the singular pursuit of just about anything. Quit cherry picking.
“It is, in my opinion, unproductive to spend excessive time and energy quoting the Bible to homosexuals.”
Of course it is. Those whom you try to beat down with the bible know that you’re trying to use both God and Jesus as a weapon. Don’t give me that “I’m trying to help them” BS, either.
“God will never approve of homosexuality.”
Sorry, dolphins. You’re all going to hell. If only you knew how to read the bible, you’d be alright.
“At some point, shame becomes like a mounting tooth-ache. Nothing else matters but to end it. Offer them a way out from under their heavy burden of shame. That way out is Jesus.”
Yeah. We all know how well the “Pray the Gay away” approach works. SMFH
I’m straight, and I’ll defend my brother’s right to be who he is, TO THE DEATH. I’m not ashamed in the least to stand up for them, against the likes of bigots like this Author. Judgement is for God, alone, is it not? Mind your damn business, and let them take care of themselves. They don’t need your help.
Well defend your brothers right to extend his and his orphanage dwelling politicians hang out into the wider world anyway.
THE MADBOMBERS ON BINs POSITION ON HOMOSEXUALITY: “Keep your mouth shut if anyone has no one who loves them. That makes them the gays and teachers and state hires business. Oh and ditto if you are their family etc”
I’d stick bombing 3rd world babies to death for your politicians traditional employers if I were you Lyle.
““God gave them over to shameful lusts….” (Romans 1:26). This verse deals with the shameful lust of homosexuality.”
Only because you want that verse to infer homosexuality.
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Romans 1:26
moreover also the males having left the natural use of the male were inflamed in the desire of them towards one another – males with males (arsenes en arsein)
And? You evidently missed the point of my reply to the verse AS PRESENTED IN THE STORY. The author chose to cherry pick one part of the scripture. I picked apart the cherry picked snippet. Now, had the author chosen to include Romans 1:27, it would have given a more complete picture of the point of the article. Instead, she chose to only use a partial verse. You get it, now? If you’re going to use partial verses, one must be prepared to be called on it.
Now, that leads us to the source of the verse:
I’m looking at some other translations of this passage, and from what I can gather, it’s pulled from the New International Version. What I’ve also found is many (the NIV being the only version using “Shameful Lusts”, in the verse) different interpretations, that potentially change the tone of the verse. No wonder Christians can’t seem to get along. You can’t even agree on which book is the proper “Word of God”.
You’re fighting a losing battle William, give it a rest.
I suggest it is OK to have homosexual friends but do not let them entrap you into submitting to their error by accepting IT as opposed to THEM.
Am I really? Seems that the more the fundies whinge and whine, the more accepted Homosexuality becomes. See, yogi, I don’t care what people do. It’s their business who they love. Not mine. As long as they don’t act in a predatory manner, and don’t hurt anyone, who cares? It’s you, and people like you, who think that some 3000 year old stories give you the right to attack people, for not being just like you.
If your eyes hurt, do you rub dog turds in them? No? Do you fear sea monsters, when you go out on a lake? No? Why not? Those beliefs are Antiquated, and have NO relevance to a modernised world, because we know better now. Christ preached love for all. Not just who you deem worthy.
“For all we know, “shameful lusts” may not be referring to sex, of any kind”
… whereas the context of the passage, as we’ll as the subsequent verse make it very clear that the topic is indeed homosexuality.
And while animals have life they seem to lack soul and are free from the penalty for sin so that’s not a very good argument. Anyway i’ve heard that the last thing the Dolphins say is “So long and thanks for all the fish” whatever that means.
I understand the context of the verse, Mayhem; but like I said to Me-nads, up there, it wasn’t so much to debate the verse, so much as just shoddy journalism.
I get your point, Bill, and shoddy journalism is about par for the course regarding Bible references but in this case at least the author wasn’t wrong.
Only a homosexual would condone homosexuality. Just as only a mass murderer would condone mass murder and only a pirate would condone piracy, and only a bankster would condone banksterism…..you getting my drift yet….. I’ll take it further, only an aetheist would condone aetheism, only an abortionist would condone abortion ….they may not paticipate as with homosexuality but we know where their heart is right….. enough said.
As for animal and plants and the very earth itself they do have souls. Only a souless person would think otherwise……and there are numerous examples of this in the Bible.
But I take offence at my learned friend’s suggestion that objection to filth and disgust at sin is only because we read it in the Bible.if that were the case there would be no hope for any of us.
Take all the offence you want. For all the talk about programming that goes on, on this site; why is it so hard to believe that one can be programmed by the bible? It’s been doing the job, for over a thousand years. Just look at how many times you see “The Bible says (insert verse here)”, and it is automatically accepted as fact… Then, in many cases, you’ll see the same people decrying the mainstream media, and other media outlets, as controlling the minds of the masses. All we’re really talking about, is a different medium, of the press.
Did you just suggest that Mayhem is soulless?
As a straight male, I have no real dog in this fight. I’m neither attracted to men, nor can I have an abortion. To assert that “Only a homosexual would condone homosexuality.”, is patently absurd. That’s the beauty of being able to make up one’s own mind.
” Just as only a mass murderer would condone mass murder ”
An odd statement , considering how most sat back and quietly condoned mass murder, during WWII, the reign of the Khmer Rouge, the Polish Progroms, and countless other incidents. Sorry, bud. Try again.
Homosexuals are deceived by 100 demons. so said a marian seer in the 80′s.
How much then are entire nations which vote for homosexual sham marriages deceived?
answer……lotsa demons like this sad sob.
Sad is responding to your own comments.
True.
But I wasn’t. It was an indirect response to your comment, idiot.
I admire your guts opening your mouth when you must know nothing intelligent is going to come out of it.
If by “nothing intelligent”, you mean “not spewing bronze-age biases”, or “honest and original thought”, then you have a point.
““God gave them over to shameful lusts….” (Romans 1:26). This verse deals with the shameful lust of homosexuality.”
Only because you want that verse to infer homosexuality. Could it be that “shameful lusts” refers to any lust that is not a product of a monogamous relationship? How about excessive lust? For all we know, “shameful lusts” may not be referring to sex, of any kind. Lust for money? Power? The author(s) may have been referring to the singular pursuit of just about anything. Quit cherry picking.
“It is, in my opinion, unproductive to spend excessive time and energy quoting the Bible to homosexuals.”
Of course it is. Those whom you try to beat down with the bible know that you’re trying to use both God and Jesus as a weapon. Don’t give me that “I’m trying to help them” BS, either.
“God will never approve of homosexuality.”
Sorry, dolphins. You’re all going to hell. If only you knew how to read the bible, you’d be alright.
“At some point, shame becomes like a mounting tooth-ache. Nothing else matters but to end it. Offer them a way out from under their heavy burden of shame. That way out is Jesus.”
Yeah. We all know how well the “Pray the Gay away” approach works. SMFH
I’m straight, and I’ll defend my brother’s right to be who he is, TO THE DEATH. I’m not ashamed in the least to stand up for them, against the likes of bigots like this Author. Judgement is for God, alone, is it not? Mind your damn business, and let them take care of themselves. They don’t need your help.
Well defend your brothers right to extend his and his orphanage dwelling politicians hang out into the wider world anyway.
THE MADBOMBERS ON BINs POSITION ON HOMOSEXUALITY: “Keep your mouth shut if anyone has no one who loves them. That makes them the gays and teachers and state hires business. Oh and ditto if you are their family etc”
I’d stick bombing 3rd world babies to death for your politicians traditional employers if I were you Lyle.
What in the blue hell are you babbling about? You do realize that that made no sense, right?
Maybe it’s time to take your seraquil.
Predatory neckbeard “Muh brainzzzzs!” wails only frightens slow children Lyle.
Ok. Copy/paste, and nonsense. Glad I could figure out your schtick.
““God gave them over to shameful lusts….” (Romans 1:26). This verse deals with the shameful lust of homosexuality.”
Only because you want that verse to infer homosexuality.
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Romans 1:26
moreover also the males having left the natural use of the male were inflamed in the desire of them towards one another – males with males (arsenes en arsein)
Maybe just leave off the opium, first.
And? You evidently missed the point of my reply to the verse AS PRESENTED IN THE STORY. The author chose to cherry pick one part of the scripture. I picked apart the cherry picked snippet. Now, had the author chosen to include Romans 1:27, it would have given a more complete picture of the point of the article. Instead, she chose to only use a partial verse. You get it, now? If you’re going to use partial verses, one must be prepared to be called on it.
Now, that leads us to the source of the verse:
I’m looking at some other translations of this passage, and from what I can gather, it’s pulled from the New International Version. What I’ve also found is many (the NIV being the only version using “Shameful Lusts”, in the verse) different interpretations, that potentially change the tone of the verse. No wonder Christians can’t seem to get along. You can’t even agree on which book is the proper “Word of God”.
http://biblehub.com/romans/1-26.htm
We all agree homosexuality is wrong you twit.
With the amount of Evangelical preachers getting high and schtupping young men, in hotel rooms, it seems that all Christians are NOT all in agreement.
You’re fighting a losing battle William, give it a rest.
I suggest it is OK to have homosexual friends but do not let them entrap you into submitting to their error by accepting IT as opposed to THEM.
Am I really? Seems that the more the fundies whinge and whine, the more accepted Homosexuality becomes. See, yogi, I don’t care what people do. It’s their business who they love. Not mine. As long as they don’t act in a predatory manner, and don’t hurt anyone, who cares? It’s you, and people like you, who think that some 3000 year old stories give you the right to attack people, for not being just like you.
If your eyes hurt, do you rub dog turds in them? No? Do you fear sea monsters, when you go out on a lake? No? Why not? Those beliefs are Antiquated, and have NO relevance to a modernised world, because we know better now. Christ preached love for all. Not just who you deem worthy.
See, yogi, I don’t care what people do
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The ideal mentality for all those aiming to extend their states orphanages and special schools catchment of abandoned retards.
Much you getting paid loser?
Obviously not enough to afford whatever you’re smoking. What the hell are you babbling about now? Go back to bed.
@Bill Lyle, who said…
“For all we know, “shameful lusts” may not be referring to sex, of any kind”
… whereas the context of the passage, as we’ll as the subsequent verse make it very clear that the topic is indeed homosexuality.
And while animals have life they seem to lack soul and are free from the penalty for sin so that’s not a very good argument. Anyway i’ve heard that the last thing the Dolphins say is “So long and thanks for all the fish” whatever that means.
I understand the context of the verse, Mayhem; but like I said to Me-nads, up there, it wasn’t so much to debate the verse, so much as just shoddy journalism.
Don’t panic, and remember to bring a towel.
I get your point, Bill, and shoddy journalism is about par for the course regarding Bible references but in this case at least the author wasn’t wrong.
Perhaps the answer to the big question is – 42.
True, just when I see only half of the verse (and the most damning part of it) presented as a stand-alone statement, I can’t help myself.
As for your answer, I’ll have to ask the mice. They’re making dinner, as I type.
Only a homosexual would condone homosexuality. Just as only a mass murderer would condone mass murder and only a pirate would condone piracy, and only a bankster would condone banksterism…..you getting my drift yet….. I’ll take it further, only an aetheist would condone aetheism, only an abortionist would condone abortion ….they may not paticipate as with homosexuality but we know where their heart is right….. enough said.
As for animal and plants and the very earth itself they do have souls. Only a souless person would think otherwise……and there are numerous examples of this in the Bible.
But I take offence at my learned friend’s suggestion that objection to filth and disgust at sin is only because we read it in the Bible.if that were the case there would be no hope for any of us.
Take all the offence you want. For all the talk about programming that goes on, on this site; why is it so hard to believe that one can be programmed by the bible? It’s been doing the job, for over a thousand years. Just look at how many times you see “The Bible says (insert verse here)”, and it is automatically accepted as fact… Then, in many cases, you’ll see the same people decrying the mainstream media, and other media outlets, as controlling the minds of the masses. All we’re really talking about, is a different medium, of the press.
Did you just suggest that Mayhem is soulless?
As a straight male, I have no real dog in this fight. I’m neither attracted to men, nor can I have an abortion. To assert that “Only a homosexual would condone homosexuality.”, is patently absurd. That’s the beauty of being able to make up one’s own mind.
” Just as only a mass murderer would condone mass murder ”
An odd statement , considering how most sat back and quietly condoned mass murder, during WWII, the reign of the Khmer Rouge, the Polish Progroms, and countless other incidents. Sorry, bud. Try again.