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Ultra-Secret Conspiracy in the Middle East Revealed: The Donmeh, the Wahhabi and Zionism’s Sephardic Jewry
THE MILLENNIUM REPORT: Reporting the Most Important News in the World Today
TMR Editor’s Note:
The following exposé is critical if one is to have any clear understanding of the ever-changing geopolitcal chessboard of the Middle East. All the major players are seen in a different light when the following secret history is properly considered.
Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, Iran, Iraq, Libya and their relationships with each other make much more sense in view of these crucial revelations. The foreign policies of the United States and United Kingdom toward each of these countries and the Mideast in general particularly take on new meaning, as does their ‘special’ relationship with Israel.
It is now understandable why so many around the world perceive a veritable Axis of Evil — some call it the Zio-Anglo-American Axis* — controlling the destiny of the entire Middle East region. Except that now a new 800 pound gorilla bear has recently moved into the neighborhood.
*Anglo-American Axis:
“The Anglo-American Axis is represented, first and foremost, by the major English-speaking countries of the world: USA, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Israel. The European member nations of NATO, such as Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands are also closely aligned with the AAA as are all the Scandinavian countries. So are the Asian Pacific Rim nations of Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and the Philippines. Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan, Kuwait, Jordan, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, and Qatar also owe their allegiance to the AAA but some of these may be changing. The World Shadow Government is an ultra-secret, supranational organization which completely controls the Anglo-American Axis, as well as the European Union, NATO, among many other institutional entities which constitute the Global Control Matrix.”
(Source: Vladimir Putin’s Russia: Perfect Foil To The Anglo-American Axis And Their New World ‘Order’)
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Turkey’s Mustafa Kamal Ataturk and entourage
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2002 IRAQI Intel Reported Wahhabis are of Jewish Origin
The Dönmeh: The Middle East’s Most Whispered Secret (Part I)
Wayne MADSEN
strategic-culture.org
There is a historical “eight hundred pound gorilla” lurking in the background of almost every serious military and diplomatic incident involving Israel, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Greece, Armenia, the Kurds, the Assyrians, and some other players in the Middle East and southeastern Europe. It is a factor that is generally only whispered about at diplomatic receptions, news conferences, and think tank sessions due to the explosiveness and controversial nature of the subject. And it is the secretiveness attached to the subject that has been the reason for so much misunderstanding about the current breakdown in relations between Israel and Turkey, a growing warming of relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia, and increasing enmity between Saudi Arabia and Iran…
Although known to historians and religious experts, the centuries-old political and economic influence of a group known in Turkish as the “Dönmeh” is only beginning to cross the lips of Turks, Arabs, and Israelis who have been reluctant to discuss the presence in Turkey and elsewhere of a sect of Turks descended from a group of Sephardic Jews who were expelled from Spain during the Spanish Inquisition in the 16th and 17th centuries. These Jewish refugees from Spain were welcomed to settle in the Ottoman Empire and over the years they converted to a mystical sect of Islam that eventually mixed Jewish Kabbala and Islamic Sufi semi-mystical beliefs into a sect that eventually championed secularism in post-Ottoman Turkey. It is interesting that “Dönmeh” not only refers to the Jewish “untrustworthy converts” to Islam in Turkey but it is also a derogatory Turkish word for a transvestite, or someone who is claiming to be someone they are not.
The Donmeh sect of Judaism was founded in the 17th century by Rabbi Sabbatai Zevi, a Kabbalist who believed he was the Messiah but was forced to convert to Islam by Sultan Mehmet IV, the Ottoman ruler. Many of the rabbi’s followers, known as Sabbateans, but also “crypto-Jews,” publicly proclaimed their Islamic faith but secretly practiced their hybrid form of Judaism, which was unrecognized by mainstream Jewish rabbinical authorities. Because it was against their beliefs to marry outside their sect, the Dönmeh created a rather secretive sub-societal clan.
The Dönmeh rise to power in Turkey
Many Dönmeh, along with traditional Jews, became powerful political and business leaders in Salonica. It was this core group of Dönmeh, which organized the secret Young Turks, also known as the Committee of Union and Progress, the secularists who deposed Ottoman Sultan Abdulhamid II in the 1908 revolution, proclaimed the post-Ottoman Republic of Turkey after World War I, and who instituted a campaign that stripped Turkey of much of its Islamic identity after the fall of the Ottomans. Abdulhamid II was vilified by the Young Turks as a tyrant, but his only real crime appears to have been to refuse to meet Zionist leader Theodore Herzl during a visit to Constantinople in 1901 and reject Zionist and Dönmeh offers of money in return for the Zionists to be granted control of Jerusalem.
Like other leaders who have crossed the Zionists, Sultan Adulhamid II appears to have sealed his fate with the Dönmeh with this statement to his Ottoman court: “Advise Dr. Herzl not to take any further steps in his project. I cannot give away even a handful of the soil of this land for it is not my own, it belongs to the entire Islamic nation. The Islamic nation fought jihad for the sake of this land and had watered it with their blood. The Jews may keep their money and millions. If the Islamic Khalifate state is one day destroyed then they will be able to take Palestine without a price! But while I am alive, I would rather push a sword into my body than see the land of Palestine cut and given away from the Islamic state.” After his ouster by Ataturk’s Young Turk Dönmeh in 1908, Abdulhamid II was jailed in the Donmeh citadel of Salonica. He died in Constantinople in 1918, three years after Ibn Saud agreed to a Jewish homeland in Palestine and one year after Lord Balfour deeded Palestine away to the Zionists in his letter to Baron Rothschild.
One of the Young Turk leaders in Salonica was Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the Republic of Turkey. When Greece achieved sovereignty over Salonica in 1913, many Dönmeh, unsuccessful at being re-classified Jewish, moved to Constantinople, later re-named Istanbul. Others moved to Izmir, Bursa, and Ataturk’s newly-proclaimed capital and future seat of Ergenekon power, Ankara.
Some texts suggest that the Dönmeh numbered no more than 150,000 and were mainly found in the army, government, and business. However, other experts suggest that the Dönmeh may have represented 1.5 million Turks and were even more powerful than believed by many and extended to every facet of Turkish life. One influential Donmeh, Tevfik Rustu Arak, was a close friend and adviser to Ataturk and served as Turkey’s Foreign Minister from 1925 to 1938.
Ataturk, who was reportedly himself a Dönmeh, ordered that Turks abandon their own Muslim-Arabic names. The name of the first Christian emperor of Rome, Constantine, was erased from the largest Turkish city, Constantinople. The city became Istanbul, after the Ataturk government in 1923 objected to the traditional name. There have been many questions about Ataturk’s own name, since “Mustapha Kemal Ataturk” was a pseudonym. Some historians have suggested that Ataturk adopted his name because he was a descendant of none other than Rabbi Zevi, the self-proclaimed Messiah of the Dönmeh! Ataturk also abolished Turkey’s use of the Arabic script and forced the country to adopt the western alphabet.
Modern Turkey: a secret Zionist state controlled by the Dönmeh
Ataturk’s suspected strong Jewish roots, information about which was suppressed for decades by a Turkish government that forbade anything critical of the founder of modern Turkey, began bubbling to the surface, first, mostly outside of Turkey and in publications written by Jewish authors. The 1973 book, The Secret Jews, by Rabbi Joachim Prinz, maintains that Ataturk and his finance minister, Djavid Bey, were both committed Dönmeh and that they were in good company because “too many of the Young Turks in the newly formed revolutionary Cabinet prayed to Allah, but had their real prophet [Sabbatai Zevi, the Messiah of Smyrna].” In The Forward of January 28, 1994, Hillel Halkin wrote in The New York Sun that Ataturk recited the Jewish Shema Yisrael (“Hear O Israel”), saying that it was “my prayer too.” The information is recounted from an autobiography by journalist Itamar Ben-Avi, who claims Ataturk, then a young Turkish army captain, revealed he was Jewish in a Jerusalem hotel bar one rainy night during the winter of 1911. In addition, Ataturk attended the Semsi Effendi grade school in Salonica, run by a Dönmeh named Simon Zevi. Halkin wrote in the New York Sun article about an email he received from a Turkish colleague: “I now know – know (and I haven’t a shred of doubt) – that Ataturk’s father’s family was indeed of Jewish stock.”
It was Ataturk’s and the Young Turks’ support for Zionism, the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, after World War I and during Nazi rule in Europe that endeared Turkey to Israel and vice versa. An article in The Forward of May 8, 2007, revealed that Dönmeh dominated Turkish leadership “from the president down, as well as key diplomats . . . and a great part of Turkey’s military, cultural, academic, economic, and professional elites” kept Turkey out of a World War II alliance with Germany, and deprived Hitler of a Turkish route to the Baku oilfields.” In his book, The Donme: Jewish Converts, Muslim Revolutionaries and Secular Turks, Professor Marc David Baer wrote that many advanced to exalted positions in the Sufi religious orders.
Israel has always been reluctant to describe the Turkish massacre of the Armenians by the Turks in 1915 as “genocide.” It has always been believed that the reason for Israel’s reticence was not to upset Israel’s close military and diplomatic ties with Turkey. However, more evidence is being uncovered that the Armenian genocide was largely the work of the Dönmeh leadership of the Young Turks. Historians like Ahmed Refik, who served as an intelligence officer in the Ottoman army, averred that it was the aim of the Young Turks to destroy the Armenians, who were mostly Christian. The Young Turks, under Ataturk’s direction, also expelled Greek Christians from Turkish cities and attempted to commit a smaller-scale genocide of the Assyrians, who were also mainly Christian.
One Young Turk from Salonica, Mehmet Talat, was the official who carried out the genocide of the Armenians and Assyrians. A Venezuelan mercenary who served in the Ottoman army, Rafael de Nogales Mendez, noted in his annals of the Armenian genocide that Talat was known as the “renegade Hebrew of Salonica.” Talat was assassinated in Germany in 1921 by an Armenian whose entire family was lost in the genocide ordered by the “renegade Hebrew.” It is believed by some historians of the Armenian genocide that the Armenians, known as good businessmen, were targeted by the business-savvy Dönmeh because they were considered to be commercial competitors.
It is not, therefore, the desire to protect the Israeli-Turkish alliance that has caused Israel to eschew any interest in pursuing the reasons behind the Armenian genocide, but Israel’s and the Dönmeh’s knowledge that it was the Dönmeh leadership of the Young Turks that not only murdered hundreds of thousands of Armenians and Assyrians but who also stamped out Turkey’s traditional Muslim customs and ways. Knowledge that it was Dönmeh, in a natural alliance with the Zionists of Europe, who were responsible for the deaths of Armenian and Assyrian Christians, expulsion from Turkey of Greek Orthodox Christians, and the cultural and religious eradication of Turkish Islamic traditions, would issue forth in the region a new reality. Rather than Greek and Turkish Cypriots living on a divided island, Armenians holding a vendetta against the Turks, and Greeks and Turks feuding over territory, all the peoples attacked by the Dönmeh would realize that they had a common foe that was their actual persecutor.
Challenging Dönmeh rule: Turkey’s battle against the Ergenekon
It is the purging of the Kemalist adherents of Ataturk and his secular Dönmeh regime that is behind the investigation of the Ergenekon conspiracy in Turkey. Ergenekon’s description matches up completely with the Dönmeh presence in Turkey’s diplomatic, military, judicial, religious, political, academic, business, and journalist hierarchy. Ergenekon attempted to stop the reforms instituted by successive non-Dönmeh Turkish leaders, including the re-introduction of traditional Turkish Islamic customs and rituals, by planning a series of coups, some successful like that which deposed Prime Minister Necmettin Erbakan’s Refah (Welfare) Islamist government in 1996 and some unsuccessful, like OPERATION SLEDGEHEMMER, which was aimed at deposing Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in 2003. Some Islamist-leaning reformists, including Turkish President Turgut Ozal and Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit, died under suspicious circumstances. Deposed democratically-elected Prime Minister Adnan Menderes was hanged in 1961, following a military coup.
American politicians and journalists, whose knowledge of the history of countries like Turkey and the preceding Ottoman Empire, is often severely lacking, have painted the friction between Israel’s government and the Turkish government of Prime Minister Erdogan as based on Turkey’s drift to Islamism and the Arab world. Far from it, Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party (AKP) seem to have finally seen a way to break free from the domination and cruelty of the Dönmeh, whether in the form of Kemalist followers of Ataturk or nationalist schemers and plotters in Ergenekon. But with Turkey’s “Independence Day” has come vitriol from the Dönmeh and their natural allies in Israel and the Israel Lobby in the United States and Europe. Turkey as a member of the European Union was fine for Europe as long as the Dönmeh remained in charge and permitted Turkey’s wealth to be looted by central bankers like has occurred in Greece.
When Israel launched its bloody attack on the Turkish Gaza aid vessel, the Mavi Marmara, on May 31, 2010, the reason was not so much the ship’s running of the Israeli blockade of Gaza. The brutality of the Israelis in shooting unarmed Turks and one Turkish-American, some at point blank range, according to a UN report, indicated that Israel was motivated by something else: vengeance and retaliation for the Turkish government’s crackdown on Ergenekon, the purging of the Turkish military and intelligence senior ranks of Dönmeh, and reversing the anti-Muslim religious and cultural policies set down by the Dönmeh’s favorite son, Ataturk, some ninety years before. In effect, the Israeli attack on the Mavi Marmara was in retaliation for Turkey’s jailing of several top Turkish military officers, journalists, and academics, all accused of being part of the Ergenekon plot to overthrow the AKP government in 2003. Hidden in the Ergenekon coup plot is that the Dönmeh and Ergenekon are connected through their history of being Kemalists, ardent secularists, pro-Israeli, and pro-Zionist.
With tempers now flaring between Iran on one side and Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the United States on the other, as the result of a dubious claim by U.S. law enforcement that Iran was planning to carry out the assassination of the Saudi ambassador to the United States on American soil, the long-standing close, but secretive relationship between Israel and Saudi Arabia is coming to the forefront. The Israeli-Saudi connection had flourished during OPERATION DESERT STORM, when both countries were on the receiving end of Saddam Hussein’s Scud missiles.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/10/25/the-doenmeh-the-middle-easts-most-whispered-secret-part-i.html
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The Dönmeh: The Middle East’s Most Whispered Secret (Part II)
Wayne MADSEN
strategic-culture.org
What will surprise those who may already be surprised about the Dönmeh connection to Turkey, is the Dönmeh connection to the House of Saud in Saudi Arabia.
An Iraqi Mukhabarat (General Military Intelligence Directorate) Top Secret report, “The Emergence of Wahhabism and its Historical Roots,” dated September 2002 and released on March 13, 2008, by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency in translated English form, points to the Dönmeh roots of the founder of the Saudi Wahhabi sect of Islam, Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab. Much of the information is gleaned from the memoirs of a “Mr. Humfer,” (as spelled in the DIA report, “Mr. Hempher” as spelled the historical record) a British spy who used the name “Mohammad,” claimed to be an Azeri who spoke Turkish, Persian, and Arabic and who made contact with Wahhab in the mid-18th century with a view of creating a sect of Islam that would eventually bring about an Arab revolt against the Ottomans and pave the way for the introduction of a Jewish state in Palestine. Humfer’s memoirs are recounted by the Ottoman writer and admiral Ayyub Sabri Pasha in his 1888 work, “The Beginning and Spreading of Wahhabism.”
In his book, The Dönmeh Jews, D. Mustafa Turan writes that Wahhab’s grandfather, Tjen Sulayman, was actually Tjen Shulman, a member of the Jewish community of Basra, Iraq. The Iraqi intelligence report also states that in his book, The Dönmeh Jews and the Origin of the Saudi Wahhabis, Rifat Salim Kabar reveals that Shulman eventually settled in the Hejaz, in the village of al-Ayniyah what is now Saudi Arabia, where his grandson founded the Wahhabi sect of Islam. The Iraqi intelligence report states that Shulman had been banished from Damascus, Cairo, and Mecca for his “quackery.” In the village, Shulman sired Abdul Wahhab. Abdel Wahhab’s son, Muhammad, founded modern Wahhabism.
The Iraqi report also makes some astounding claims about the Saud family. It cites Abdul Wahhab Ibrahim al-Shammari’s book, The Wahhabi Movement: The Truth and Roots, which states that King Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud, the first Kingdom of Saudi Arabia monarch, was descended from Mordechai bin Ibrahim bin Moishe, a Jewish merchant also from Basra. In Nejd, Moishe joined the Aniza tribe and changed his name to Markhan bin Ibrahim bin Musa. Eventually, Mordechai married off his son, Jack Dan, who became Al-Qarn, to a woman from the Anzah tribe of the Nejd. From this union, the future Saud family was born.
The Iraqi intelligence document reveals that the researcher Mohammad Sakher was the subject of a Saudi contract murder hit for his examination into the Sauds’ Jewish roots. In Said Nasir’s book, The History of the Saud Family, it is maintained that in 1943, the Saudi ambassador to Egypt, Abdullah bin Ibrahim al Muffadal, paid Muhammad al Tamami to forge a family tree showing that the Sauds and Wahhabs were one family that descended directly from the Prophet Mohammed.
At the outset of World War I, a Jewish British officer from India, David Shakespeare, met with Ibn Saud in Riyadh and later led a Saudi army that defeated a tribe opposed to Ibn Saud. In 1915, Ibn Saud met with the British envoy to the Gulf region, Bracey Cocas. Cocas made the following offer to Ibn Saud: “I think this is a guarantee for your endurance as it is in the interest of Britain that the Jews have a homeland and existence, and Britain’s interests are, by all means, in your interest.” Ibn Saud, the descendant of Dönmeh from Basra, responded: “Yes, if my acknowledgement means so much to you, I acknowledge thousand times granting a homeland to the Jews in Palestine or other than Palestine.” Two years later, British Foreign Secretary Lord Balfour, in a letter to Baron Walter Rothschild, a leader of the British Zionists, stated: “His Majesty’s government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people . . .” The deal had the tacit backing of two of the major players in the region, both descendant from Dönmeh Jews who supported the Zionist cause, Kemal Ataturk and Ibn Saud. The present situation in the Middle East should be seen in this light but the history of the region has been purged by certain religious and political interests for obvious reasons.
After World War I, the British facilitated the coming to power of the Saud regime in the former Hejaz and Nejd provinces of the Ottoman Empire. The Sauds established Wahhabism as the state religion of the new Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and, like the Kemalist Dönmeh in Turkey, began to move against other Islamic beliefs and sects, including the Sunnis and Shi’as. The Wahhabi Sauds accomplished what the Kemalist Dönmeh were able to achieve in Turkey: a fractured Middle East that was ripe for Western imperialistic designs and laid the groundwork for the creation of the Zionist state of Israel.
Deep states and Dönmeh
During two visits to Turkey in 2010, I had the opportunity of discussing the Ergenekon “deep state” with leading Turkish officials. It was more than evident that discussions about the Ergenekon network and its “foreign” connections are a highly-sensitive subject. However, it was also whispered by one high-ranking Turkish foreign policy official that there were other “deep states” in surrounding nations and Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Syria were mentioned by name. Considering the links between Ergenekon and the Dönmeh in Turkey and the close intelligence and military links between the Dönmeh-descendent Sauds and Wahhabis in Arabia, the reports of close links between ousted Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and his intelligence chief Omar Suleiman and the Binyamin Netanyahu government in Israel may be seen in an entirely new light… And it would explain Erdogan’s support for Egypt’s revolution: in Turkey, it was a democratic revolution that curbed the influence of the Dönmeh. The influence of Wahhabi Salafists in Libya’s new government also explains why Erdogan was keen on establishing relations with the Benghazi-based rebels to help supplant the influence of the Wahhabis, the natural allies of his enemies, the Dönmeh (Ergenekon) of Turkey.
Erdogan’s desire to set the historical record straight by restoring history purged by the Kemalists and Dönmeh has earned him vitriolic statements from Israel’s government that he is a neo-Ottomanist who is intent on forming an alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood in the Arab countries. Clearly, the Dönmeh and their Zionist brethren in Israel and elsewhere are worried about Dönmeh and Zionist historical revisionism, including their role in the Armenian and Assyrian genocide, and their genocide denial being exposed.
In Egypt, which was once an Ottoman realm, it was a popular revolution that tossed out what may have amounted to the Dönmeh with regard to the Mubarak regime. The Egyptian “Arab Spring” also explains why the Israelis were quick to kill six Egyptian border police so soon after nine Turkish passengers were killed aboard the Mavi Marmara, some in execution style, by Israeli troops. Dönmeh doctrine is rife with references to the Old Testament Amalekites, a nomadic tribe ordered attacked by the Hebrews from Egypt by the Jewish God to make room for Moses’s followers in the southern region of Palestine. In the Book of Judges, God unsuccessfully commands Saul: “Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, and infant, ox, and sheep, camel and donkey.” The Dönmeh, whose doctrine is also present in Hasidic and other orthodox sects of Judaism, appear to have no problem substituting the Armenians, Assyrians, Turks, Kurds, Egyptians, Iraqis, Lebanese, Iranians, and Palestinians for the Amalekites in carrying out their military assaults and pogroms.
With reformist governments in Turkey and Egypt much more willing to look into the background of those who have split the Islamic world, Ataturk in Turkey and Mubarak in Egypt, the Sauds are likely very much aware that it is only a matter of time before their links, both modern and historical, to Israel will be fully exposed. It makes sense that the Sauds have been successful in engineering a dubious plot involving Iranian government agents trying to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to Washington in an unnamed Washington, DC restaurant. The Iraqi intelligence report could have been referring to the Zionists and Dönmeh when it stated, “it strives to . . . [the] killing of Muslims, destructing, and promoting the turmoil.” In fact, the Iraqi intelligence report was referring to the Wahhabis.
With new freedom in Turkey and Egypt to examine their pasts, there is more reason for Israel and its supporters, as well as the Sauds, to suppress the true histories of the Ottoman Empire, secular Turkey, the origins of Israel, and the House of Saud. With various players now angling for war with Iran, the true history of the Dönmeh and their influence on past and current events in the Middle East becomes more important.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/10/26/the-doenmeh-the-middle-easts-most-whispered-secret-part-ii.html
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Interesting piece of information.
indeed. If one knows jewish zionism is behind it, one can explain this:
http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm
Zionism has the goal to abolish Christianity
http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike.htm
Modis Operendi of the rothschilds
Here is the true history about this insane satanic Zionist evil that has been unleashed all over this planet for the past 250 years. It goes back to the first Rothschild. He was a Khazar Jew that changed his name from Bauer to Rothschild (that means red shield.)
Please read the Zionist protocols that were written to take over this planet.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm The Jews say that these are forgeries.
I think it is the first and only time I ever heard any true from the Zionist Jews. But as their slogan goes.
Do war through deception.
The deception here is the true meaning of forgery. Forgeries are always duplicates of the original.
Jews never said the protocols were fake. When you read the protocols I think you will know how real this plan is.
Rothschild began his warmongering banking empire by financing Napoleon Bonaparte.
Napoleon then started the plague of destroying whole ancient beautiful peaceful cultures and countries so that Rothschild then after would come in and put in his central bank. And when Waterloo was over, he blackmailed the British Empire, until this day. “The city of London”, the financial centerpoint of British money making is NOT EVEN ON BRITISH SOIL!!!
Then his banksters would finance the rebuilding of the destruction he engineered. For ever then after financially enslaving and controlling humanity.
The FED, The IMF, BIS, World Bank, and almost every “central bank” in the world today are owned by the Rothschilds. The UN is also a Zionist creation for political manipulation.
But no money in the world would bring back the humans that had built the previous culturally beautiful society. Thanks to all the truthers on the internet, like the people at this site, we can now know and see a glimpse of the cultural gems that have been lost to humanity forever.
But worse than that is the destruction of this planets natural healthy environment.
The banksters are not just stealing lives, cultures and all beauty of human achievements.
Their corporate empire of insanity is poisoning everything. The peoples minds and bodies, Chemtrals, H.A.A.R.P. Weather manipulation and environmental warfare, Radiation fall out, GMO’s, Depleted uranium munitions, radiation pollution, Cloning and genetically creating monstrous living creatures, Killing the oceans, raping the surface of the planet like Fracking, and the Alberta tar sands.
The list of insanity and destruction, brought a pond this planet by that insanely evil Rotten child bankster Illuminati pyramid scheme, is endless.
The destruction and fire bombings of Cambodia, Germany, Iraq, Japan, Korea, Laos, Libya, Palestina, Syria, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, there is no place on this planet that has not been harmed by this Rotten child empire of insanity.
Human beings have got to to stop letting this pyramid scheme control their lives and actions. Especially those who are in the military that for some illogical reason believe that those above them in the pyramid scheme are any smarter or better then you are.
Humanity has to stop this pyramid scheme NOW. This planet is dying very fast.. Much plant natural biodiversity has been killed and gone extinct, much of the living creatures have gone extinct due to this empire of insanity.
I am A Truth Soldier, for there is a satanic war on for your very minds…The only thing that empowers the individual is truth. You need to discover it and then share it. Do not believe for a minute that you are powerless to change the negative direction this planet is on.
If you do something positively good by sharing the empowering truths, such as the ones on this site with others, then you will empower others.
Truth is power. Power to the people. Get involved in the world wide awakening that is NOW happening.
Be part of The World Wide Truth Revolution. If truth dies, this planet is doomed.
[TABUSE SYSTEM] is the biggest taboo in the world…
What is the [TABUSE SYSTEM]? (TABUSE SYSTEM is famous in Japan.)
・All of wars are fake.
・All of religions are cabal tool.
・If I occupy the opponent ideas (or organizations), I can completely control all its matter.Therefore I should occupy all ideas and organizations with farce friction strategically.
・Only owning all central banks in the world and the right of controlling the gold price come to the world ruler.
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3.11 and Fukushima were terrorism attacks by U.S.A , Israel , Korean, Zainichi(Korean in Japan),Tabuse Korean, Vatican（Not only ‘Peter Hans Kolvenbach’, it’s Vatican attack. ） and so on. Our Japanese have evidence, and famous anti-3.11 terrorism journalist ( ‘Benjamin Fulford’ and ‘Richard Koshimizu’ and ‘Izumi’) are terrorist puppets. Zionist likes to occupy their opponent idea strategically.
・All of wars are fake.
Russia and Saudi Arabia ink nuclear energy deal, exchange invites
http://www.rt.com/news/268198-russia-saudi-nuclear-agreements/
Why does Russia Government have the strong-tie with former Japanese prime minister Hatoyama(Gnosticism Illuminati) as the most important Japanese? Hatoyama is famous that he links ‘Al-Qaeda’.
・All of religions are cabal tool.
Catholic’s war plots and enslavement history.
http://www.amazon.co.jp/ウサギたちが渡った断魂橋〈上〉―からゆき・日本人慰安婦の軌跡-山田-盟子/dp/4406023518/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438465167&sr=8-1&keywords=ウサギたちが渡った断魂橋
Catholic missionaries are the first step for enslavement in Asia and Africa. Then Catholic always maneuvered conflicts by their devotee. All of Religions are inconsistent in saying their favorite word ‘religious liberty’, while They never forgive saying true history of religions what religions have been always related with wars.
・‘BIS’ protected ‘TABUSE Korean’(Japanese Emperor….etc) assets during WW2.
(I have evidences about ‘BIS’ documents)
No one say about where money comes from for incidents and wars.
Japan could import oil from Zionist company during WW2 via Nihon Suisan Corp what was owned by Japanese Emperor. Japan did not have oil stock for 4 years war(WW2).
【Tabuse System】
(Tabuse System is famous in Japan.)
Japan has been under Korean colonial rule since ancient time..「Emperor」「Religion」「Money System」「Mafia」…etc. All of these instruments are stronger than visible tyrant system tools for dictators. Ancient Jewish came to Japan and established shrines all over the Japan. Rhetoric of the emperor and religions also came from out-side Japan for non-Japanese origin.
The West(Rothschild) replaced The Meiji emperor with another Korean, [Japanese National Archives,(1110001)A100317160055, Tanaka Mitsuaki document….etc]Omuro Toranosuke who came from the poor ‘Tabuse’” Korean village in Yamaguchi Prefecture became The Japanese Meiji Emperor for The West. Japanese Prime Minister Abe’s families are also “Tabuse” Koreans. They are xenophobia against Japanese and have their own strong glass ceiling strategies for Japanese enslavement what is like “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” for Jewish. All of Japanese have been under “Tabuse” System for The West since before The WW2, and They have strong ties with the their ancient land of Korean Peninsula.
WW2 was fake war for Zionists and “Tabuse”Koreans. They like to occupy all of ideas strategically.[Right-Wing vs Left-Wing, Russian side vs U.S.A.side, Nuclear Industries vs Anti-Nuclear ,Political party A vs Political Party B, industrial business vs environmental group ....etc]
Japanese prime minister Abe’s grandfather is Kishi Nobusuke(He was a Japanese prime minister after WW2.), he committed massacres in China during WW2 as well as Sasagawa( His families are still ruling over all of Japan) and Kodama(He was one of the biggest right-wing Yakuza).They are from Korean National and worked for Rothschild.Japanese Emperor families and North Korea families are same blood and having strong relationship.
“All of religions are cabal tool.”
that`s the truth!
The Tamud-Jews controlled freemasons took over the catholic church since 1958.
Please read this very good book, about what`s happened with the catholic church:
THE PLOT AGAINST THE CHURCH – Maurice Pinay
http://www.freewebstore.org/CARCstore/Books/cat1351324_1375078.aspx
The sooner the U.S. dumps Israel, the better we will be.
Anglo American Axis, the triple A of domination. Lol. Anyone with a Japhetic dominated bloodline is considered a Caucasian. Ashkenazi(Jews) are Cuacasian, Togarmah Turks(Jews) are Caucasian and Arabs are Caucasian. White braggarts say this is a white man’s world, so the more white’s rule, the more destruction ensues. There is a big ruse over the commoners eyes saying the Jews are supposedly Semite, but the reality is they are “made up” mostly of Japhetic white Caucasoid people. Will you white people ever accept the truth or are you going to philosophize over this fact? Caucasian white translucent people are from the lineage of Japheth.
“Caucasian white translucent people are from the lineage of Japheth.”
If that were true, meatball, you wouldn’t have to repeat it endlessly the way you do here in the BINs.
Also, if you wouldn’t mind telling me, how exactly can one have a ‘ruse’ over one’s eyes?
@beef supreme throwup,
peace
Well, you Caucasian white translucent people are certainly not Shemite(Oriental), but you Caucasian white translucent people are Japhetic(Anglo). I will continue to repeat this any damn time I want, so you can hear the truth! A ruse is what you white deceivers are good at! Look it up.
Here’s what KING SOLOMON looked like, meatball:
Song of Solomon 5:14
New International Version:
His arms are rods of gold set with topaz. His body is like POLISHED IVORY decorated with lapis lazuli.
New Living Translation:
His arms are like rounded bars of gold, set with beryl. His body is like BRIGHT IVORY, glowing with lapis lazuli.
English Standard Version:
His arms are rods of gold, set with jewels. His body is POLISHED IVORY, bedecked with sapphires.
JPS Tanakh 1917
His hands are as rods of gold Set with beryl; His body is as POLISHED IVORY Overlaid with sapphires.
American Standard Version:
His hands are as rings of gold set with beryl: His body is as IVORY WORK overlaid with sapphires.
When is the last time you saw an Oriental or a Native American with an ivory colored body? How about never, meatball. Bruce Lee was about as light as Orientals come, but who would ever compare him with ivory? How about no one, meatball.
Have a nice day.
@beef supreme throwup,
peace
Well you hit it right on the nail. The Hebrew Israelites are …. the Mongolian type people. You just described the Mongolian people’s physical attibutess to a tee. Their bodies are polished ivory and their tanned arms are beryl red. All my Native American relatives have ivory colored bodies and the parts that tan are red, hence that is why Native Americans are called Redmen. All Orientals have skin that look like polished ivory, but White people have that pesky translucent skin that makes them look like lobsters instead of polished ivory.
@beef supreme throwup, typo- attibutes.
Is that all you got? Did you even look at the color of ivory, it looks more yellow(Oriental) than Caucasian(translucent). By the way Bruce Lee was half German(Japheth).
“All my Native American relatives have ivory colored bodies…”
The hell you say. Show me a photo. Link to a photo of any ivory colored Red Man.
And no, meatball…
…I do not think we’ll be allowing you to re-define colors.
Red man = RED man.
White man, unless he’s an albino = ivory.
Look down at your chest. What color do you see? I’m as white as the fella in my avatar and MY chest is darker than ivory.
And no, meatball… I’m not lobster-colored either. Not even close.
While we’re at it:
“Lee’s father, Lee Hoi-chuen, was one of the leading Cantonese opera and film actors at the time, and Lee’s mother, Grace Ho, was from one of the wealthiest and most powerful clans in Hong Kong, the Ho-tungs…”
Source (do your own damn homework, meatball)
LEE HOI-CHUEN or GRACE HO. Which one of those are German, meatball?
Is the pesky down votes for stating the truth or the typo: attributes or perhaps not providing reasonable links? I love all people whites, blacks and yellows, but I am tired of the lies. White people are beautiful too and I am amazed at their ingenuity, but they are being deceived and deceiving others with their propaganda. This thread talks about Anglos so I am stating their Biblical origin, that Anglos and all Caucasians originate from their Patriarch Japheth. And I am being called meatball for stating the truth.
Biblically Orientals originate from their Patriarch Shem. The Orientals came from Heber as stated in Genesis 10:25 Heber had two son Peleg and Joktan. These are the first two Hebrews! Genesis 10:25 Joktan and family migrated to the far east and became the various Oriental Chinese peoples. Peleg Mongols migrated to the Holy Land and became the Israelite Tribes. They were eventually exiled for idolatry and scattered to the four corners of the earth. This is all recorded in the Holy Bible!
Ivory has a very slight tint of yellow according to your beloved wickedpedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory_%28color%29
http://eifiles.witnesstoday.org/oo-en.htm
https://books.google.com/books?id=P7tfAAAAcAAJ&pg=PP7&dq=The+History+of+the+American+Indian+by+James+Adair&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBmoVChMIrJyXgcO1yAIVxXI-Ch1vCwLK#v=onepage&q=The%20History%20of%20the%20American%20Indian%20by%20James%20Adair&f=false
“…but they are being deceived and deceiving others with their propaganda.”
If someone is interested in your rhetoric, meatball, they aren’t around here right now. Save it.
“And I am being called meatball for stating the truth.”
Truth like Bruce Lee being half German? That kind of truth? You’re being called meatball for being a meatball.
You can repeat a thing ad nauseam until your fingers curl and your eyes bleed. But you will have done NOTHING to alter reality even to a microscopic degree.
“Ivory has a very slight tint of yellow according to your beloved wickedpedia.”
NO ONE refers to the yellow man or to the red man as being IVORY colored, meatball. It doesn’t happen. They don’t refer to the Inuit or the African that way either. They don’t refer to the Arab and they don’t refer to the Australian aboriginee as being IVORY colored.
That leaves one, meatball.
You sound agitated, red translucent and a no good debater . Ivory is OFF WHITE YELLOW TINGED and Native Americans are yellow tinged with red tinged arms. hence White man’s derogatory term for Orientals, “yellow belly.”
Bruce Lee was a quarter German from his mother’s side.
his mother, Grace Ho (何愛瑜), was half-Chinese and half-Caucasian.[14] Specifically, Grace Ho was purportedly a half-German Catholic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory_%28color%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee
This is retarded and proves nothing even close to the truth in your retarded statement. Being called ivory does not prove someone is Caucasian. Biblically Solomon is Oriental from his father Shem and White people were known as Gentiles from their father Japheth. Calling me names only shows you are being a diversion and showing ignorance. BIN must be proud to have you!
peace
“You sound agitated…”
Must be something wrong with your hearing, meats.
“…hence White man’s derogatory term for Orientals, “yellow belly.”…”
Brilliant, meatball. When someone says yellow, they really mean ivory, eh? That’s about the kind of consistency we can expect from you. Speaking of consistency, you wrote:
“Bruce Lee was half German…”
And then you wrote:
“Bruce Lee was a quarter German from his mother’s side.”
Oh, I see. So Bruce’s yellow skin is owing to his (purportedly) German blood, or his Chinese? Which is it, meatball? And is he half or a QUARTER (purportedly) German on his mother’s side? Because now meatball, whatever you say will be wrong. Don’t flatter yourself with supposedly carrying the banner of truth when you can’t get simple facts straight.
“This is retarded and proves nothing even close to the truth in your retarded statement.”
Let’s just see about that, meatball:
‘Ebony, and IVORY, live together in perfect HARMONY…
‘Side by side on my piano keyboard, oh Lord, why don’t we?’
Who is that? Stevie Wonder and WHO? Was it Geronimo? Was it Genghis Kahn? No, meatball. It was white (ivory) boy Paul McCartney.
As I say meatball… ivory describes WHITE people. Not black people. Not brown people. Not red people. Not yellow people.
“Being called ivory does not prove someone is Caucasian.”
Yes. It does.
Carry on, meatball. I’ve had enough amusement for the evening. As you were. You may go now.
@ beef supreme retard,
Lol basing the babylonian themed song, ivory and ebony as a source. You haven’t provided one link. Ivory is yellow tinged and not white! Obviously the Prophet wasn’t talking about white translucent skin!
It has a very slight tint of yellow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory_%28color%29
Ivory is a soft neutral color that isn’t quite white and has some of the earthiness of light browns.
http://desktoppub.about.com/cs/colorselection/p/ivory.htm
http://www.qwhatis.com/what-is-ivory-color/
It is not pure white but contains hints of light brown. It represents the purity of white with a tint of yellow, cream or peach.
Ivory represents the purity of white with a hint, or tinge, of light brown, yellow, cream or peach.
That is white, Donovan, only distinct from brilliant-white in the same way that Albinos are distinct from other Caucasians yet both are considered white.
As for your links, retard, do they trump the inspired word especially where it describes whiteness in terms of polished ivory?
“Ivory represents the purity of white with a hint, or tinge, of light brown, yellow, cream or peach.”
I was going to comment on that very quote. But then I thought — why keep kicking a man when he’s down. Especially when Mayhem will probably come along and park a dump truck on his face.
Are we having too much fun? I fear we might be.
That’s hardly our fault, Beef Supreme, given the opposition make such stupid claims as…
White isn’t white, quite, but only represents the purity of white whereas in reality it’s brown or yellow.
… i mean to say – we couldn’t make this stuff up if we tried.
beef supreme & mayhem,
peace
Got your feathers in a ruffle, because you thought ivory was white, lol. You are both sorry excuses for BIN trolls. They should fire your behinds and you butt buddies can troll in the garbage can where you belong. This is retarded trying to prove King Solomon was white translucent Gentile from yellow tinged ivory. Why can’t you accept that the Hebrews are Oriental? You trolls are a diversion or suffer from cognitive dissonance. Personally I believe both! Maybe you two homos can grab a bag of popcorn and watch America Unearthed or Ancient Aliens together, then later visit your indoctrinated smithsonian!
By the way have your retards heard of Navajo white? Does that make Navajos white, too? You retards need to get a life!
Peace
Personal attacks are generally considered the first sign of intellectual immaturity, Donovan, and usually employed by folk who can’t handle losing an argument. Poor form my friend and you could be better than that.
Ivory is a hard white material from the tusks and teeth of animals which, in antiquity, was often used to form the white of the eyes of statues. Ivory has a very slight tint of yellow as distinct from “yellow-tinged”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory_(color)
As for your argument, regarding Navajo white, do you not know how this colour came by its name? It’s not white, is it, rather than a pastel yellow/orange so what point are you trying to make?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navajo_white
More importantly can you provide a Bible reference for “Navajo-white” or a reference that suggests God would be bound to the 30,000 shades of white described in the colour charts of men?
The way you describe Ivory is more akin to Jaundice-Yellow than it is to Oriental skin colour and, as it happens, the descriptor “yellow-peril” was applied to the Japanese as an intentional slur not a literal description of their pigmentation.
@mayhem,
Peace
You still don’t get it. Ivory is yellow tinged, jaundiced or not! If you still have teeth that weren’t knocked out or unnaturally bleached you will notice that they have a yellow tinge. Since ivory and teeth are practically the same they are naturally OFF WHITE, YELLOW TINGED! THAT MEANS THEY ARE NOT ALTOGETHER WHITE, THEY ARE OFF WHITE, YELLOW TINGED! IVORY IS NOT TRANSLUCENT WHITE, MORE LIKE A OFF WHITE YELLOW TINGE. What part of OFF WHITE YELLOW TINGED that you don’t get. Here is a link of Ivory white and notice the TRANSLUCENT WHITE borders compared to the OFF WHITE YELLOW TINGED IVORY.
http://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/paint-color/cc-130
Now do not get excited and get a wet willie over this photo, but notice the ivory color of the Mongolian wrestler.
http://www.chine-informations.com/images/upload2/nadaamsrestlers.jpg
Now take a look at these translucent white people, they don’t look anywhere like ivory to me.
https://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrB8pEYPkBWmjcAh1IunIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTI0OTJybm1vBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZAM0MmQwOTBkMzkzODdmMmJhMWVmYjQxYTlkNzgyMzIyNQRncG9zAzEzMQRpdANiaW5n?.origin=&back=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fyhs%2Fsearch%3Fp%3DMongolians%26n%3D60%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dyhs-mozilla-004%26fr2%3Dsb-top-images.search.yahoo.com%26hsimp%3Dyhs-004%26hspart%3Dmozilla%26nost%3D1%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D131&w=454&h=328&imgurl=aphs.worldnomads.com%2Fgeorge%2F5898%2FBlogPhoto_19.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fjournals.worldnomads.com%2Fgeorge%2Fstory%2F9913%2FMongolia%2FMongolia&size=30.0KB&name=Mongolia+-+Mongolia+-+WorldNomads.com&p=Mongolians&oid=42d090d39387f2ba1efb41a9d7823225&fr2=sb-top-images.search.yahoo.com&fr=yhs-mozilla-004&tt=Mongolia+-+Mongolia+-+WorldNomads.com&b=121&ni=84&no=131&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=123dovgb3&sigb=15i7mba3k&sigi=11h79rac6&sigt=115thlak0&sign=115thlak0&.crumb=pTkC7B5b9jA&fr=yhs-mozilla-004&fr2=sb-top-images.search.yahoo.com&hsimp=yhs-004&hspart=mozilla
I am calling you names, because you and your butt buddy resorted to name calling. So it was the both of you who acted immature and lost the argument! You know that the Orientals are Hebrew Shemites and like many white people reject the truth. Explain to me why you can’t accept God’s own words that identify the Oriental Shemites. The Orientals came from Heber as stated in Genesis 10:25 Heber had two son Peleg and Joktan. These are the first two Hebrews! Genesis 10:25 Joktan and family migrated to the far east and became the various Oriental Chinese peoples. Peleg Mongols migrated to the Holy Land and became the Israelite Tribes. They were eventually exiled for idolatry and scattered to the four corners of the earth. This is all recorded in the Holy Bible!
http://eifiles.witnesstoday.org/oo-en.htm
As for Navajo white , Navajos are related to Mongolians, which have bodies like polished ivory and beryl red arms. Navajo white and ivory are off white, yellow tinged colors. The Prophet used ivory to describe the off white yellow tinged Oriental Shemites. White translucent Caucasian Gentiles were barbarians and insignificant during the time of Solomon, while the Oriental Hebrew Shemites were cultured and blessed at that time according to the Holy Bible.
I asked you for scriptural support with regards to Benjamin Moore paints so where is it?
Navajo white came from the colour of their flag not their skin. Navajo white is an orange/yellow pastel colour and notice red isn’t mentioned?
Photographs of people are subjective evidence not objective, subject to lighting for example, and therefore irrelevant to this debate.
Ivory is white, as the keys of a piano are white, not purely white but more white than not. Solomon was white as polished Ivory.
What name did i call you that you hadn’t previously hurled at someone else, ie, who started it?
WTH?
@mayhem,
peace
No amount of explaining, Scriptural or otherwise will help you if you don’t allow yourself to think outside the box. But here it is again, Scriptural: The Orientals came from Heber as stated in Genesis 10:25 Heber had two son Peleg and Joktan. These are the first two Hebrews! Genesis 10:25 Joktan and family migrated to the far east and became the various Oriental Chinese peoples. Peleg Mongols migrated to the Holy Land and became the Israelite Tribes. They were eventually exiled for idolatry and scattered to the four corners of the earth. This is all recorded in the Holy Bible! Now explain to me your interpretation of the Scripture that I presented! Do you understand that Joktan and clans became the various Chinese Oriental people? Once you understand that, then you will understand that Peleg Mongolians are the Oriental brother to Joktan! By using logic could you believe Joktan and Peleg are Oriental? If you bothered to read Oriental Origins in the Bible, which fully explains Joktan and Peleg’s migration, now could you believe they are Oriental?
Oriental Origins in the Bible:
http://eifiles.witnesstoday.org/oo-en.htm
The History of the Native American Indians:
https://books.google.com/books?id=P7tfAAAAcAAJ&pg=PP7&dq=The+History+of+the+American+Indian+by+James+Adair&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBmoVChMIrJyXgcO1yAIVxXI-Ch1vCwLK#v=onepage&q=The%20History%20of%20the%20American%20Indian%20by%20James%20Adair&f=false
Donovan said…
“Joktan and family migrated to the far east and became the various Oriental Chinese peoples.”
… whereas the Bible says…
The region where they lived stretched from Mesha toward Sephar, in the eastern hill country. These are the sons of Shem by their clans and languages, in their territories and nations. Gen 10:30
… and the territories are according to this map…
http://www.biblebc.com/bbi/Courses/Genesis/Genesis_2003/chapte2.jpg
… then Scripture says that God scattered them from Shinar (Tower of Babel) over all the earth. The Bible does not say where the Shemites went only that they went.
Donovan suggests that…
http://eifiles.witnesstoday.org/oo-en.htm
… supports his position. However Paul Phelps is all too fond of saying things like…
“Bible scholars have…”
“Bible scholarship tradition has…”
“Some Bible scholars have…”
“Chinese history says…”
… yet provides no citations to support his arguments. Then there’s the problem with Mr Phelps presuming to add to the Bible by claiming that Gen 10:30 should read…
“And their dwelling place shall be from the departure point, as you go towards a numerous population, the mountain of the orient.”
… and goes so far as to state that his is the literal translation. Whereas the Biblos Interlinear has it…
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/10-30.htm
… which aligns with my previous comment especially the map i linked to.
Donovan recommends a book written, in the late 18th century, by no less an authority than a 40 yr resident Indian Trader. It is an opinion piece, albeit quite interesting, that makes far too many assumptions to be reliable.
Mayhem:
Far be it for me to impugn a book I haven’t read, or your desire to read it, but I have to caution you on taking seriously the words of ANYONE with the last name of Phelps.
Sure, it’s possible that this Paul Phelps isn’t related to Fred and his Klan; but why take the chance?
What sort of Mormon rose coloured glasses ( or ivory stained magic undergarments ) do I need to put on to follow the logic put forth in this thread?
FFS. Ivory? Mmmmmmmmm. Indian Red ring a bell?
It was a crayon that was removed from the pack a few decades ago. Politically correct or not… it was called that for a reason.
Here is a bike in such a colour.
http://catalog-moto.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/3/how-do-you-change-oil-kawasaki-zephyr-550_7.jpg
Lots of men are R/G colour blind… but they should STILL all be able to tell the difference between brown and white.
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/480287083/navajo-boy.jpg
I ain’t reading it, Bill, even though it’s said to contain a reference section. Perhaps Donovan will dig them out and maybe i’ll take a look, with regards to credibility, if he does.
Looks like I just conjured the council of trolls. Ambiguous creatures being tossed by the waves! All you can do is attack me because you know this is truth! Your white people are Japheth so why don’t you accept it and stop pretending to be the lineal Shemites! This is reason the world is in this sick condition, because of white man lying through his teeth. One thing is true that you cannot corrupt is God’s Holy Word! You cannot contest It, even though you are doing your damndest. So all you can do is attack the author who accurately Interpreted Scripture. It only makes all you trolls look even more retarded. I suppose this also could be your ploy! Lol.
quote “This is reason the world is in this sick condition, because of white man lying through his teeth.”
That is a childish word view Donnie. It’s about as accurate or accountable as the folks that jump up and down and blame the Jews for all the ills in the world.
quote “So all you can do is attack the author who accurately Interpreted Scripture. ”
Accuracy?
You’ve had to change reality to make your author’s works fit the narrative. If one has to argue what the colour of a colour is…. just to make a mormon interpretation of the bible work… well… you might as well just start over and read the bible on you own instead of being so defensive and accusatory.
Feel free, Donovan, to quote where i have attacked you, as opposed to defending the inerrant word of God, lest you be accused of bearing false witness.
@gus fung,
peace
Are you a retard too? You have nothing constructive to offer, so why are you commenting? No one is talking about mormonism! Explain to me the Scripture I presented! The Orientals came from Heber as stated in Genesis 10:25 Heber had two son Peleg and Joktan. These are the first two Hebrews! Genesis 10:25 Joktan and family migrated to the far east and became the various Oriental Chinese peoples. Peleg Mongols migrated to the Holy Land and became the Israelite Tribes. They were eventually exiled for idolatry and scattered to the four corners of the earth. This is all recorded in the Holy Bible!
http://biblehub.com/kjvs/genesis/10.htm
http://www.antioch.sg/article.php/20030504102718782/print
There you go calling folk retarded, again, but if anyone returns the insult you come over all precious about it. Hypocrite.
Regardless you are repeating yourself and i have already shown your argument to be without merit. Do you have anything else or shall we simply go, ad-nauseum, round and round the same point?
quote: “Are you a retard too?”
Yes Donnie… You are I are tards of a feather. It took me many years to pull my head out of my arse. I can only hope you manage to extricate yourself before you suffocate on your own poop.
quote: “No one is talking about mormonism!”
Is that so? I think you’ve been hook-winked my angry little friend.
@mayhem
peace
This is pathetic relying on a Bible map. I know your ploy trying to box in Joktan to the middle east.
… then Scripture says that God scattered them from Shinar (Tower of Babel) over all the earth. The Bible does not say where the Shemites went only that they went.
So according to your words they just went to the great unknown, namely the four corners of the earth.
Joktan migrated to the far east from Mesha(Mashhad) Norther Iran the beginning of the silk trails. Still suffering from cognitive dissonance? They didn’t make shinar but were stll in the east when Joktan decided to migrate to the FAR EAST!
… then Scripture says that God scattered them from Shinar (Tower of Babel) over all the earth. The Bible does not say where the Shemites went only that they went.
Joktan did not go with Peleg into Babylon. This pre-Babylonian sojourn is an important factor for it helps us to know the
location of Joktan’s migration route. He must have separated from the caravan before they came to Babylon because he chose to go east. Gen. 10:30, The territory in which they lived extended from Mesha in the direction of Sephar, the hill country of the east.
The caravan migrating westward towards Babylon was already in the east, so
Joktan’s decision to go eastward means that he separated from the caravan and
turned towards the orient;
BIN,
peace
I don’t appreciate my comment to mysteriously vanish, but maybe I was a little too blunt. I didn’t think I was being too offensive, but your BIN trolls are being a little bit nervy, especially when the truth is right in their faces!
“The caravan migrating westward towards Babylon was already in the east, so Joktan’s decision to go eastward means that he separated from the caravan and turned towards the orient;”
That is opinion, Donovan, do you have any proof? Here’s a tip; try following the progression of languages as the scattering occurred. This won’t provide definitive proof but it will, most definitely, throw a spanner in your works.
Not to mention, Donovan, that i’m not relying on a Bible map but it does rather show the “hill country”, that the author would have been familiar with, not too far off.
That is how the narrative has it and the map shows only that. It doesn’t add to, or subtract from, the Word.
@mayhem,
PEACE
“The caravan migrating westward towards Babylon was already in the east, so Joktan’s decision to go eastward means that he separated from the caravan and turned towards the orient;”
Genesis 11:1-2
1And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. 2And it came to pass, as they journeyed FROM THE EAST, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there
Shinar is on the map i linked to, Donovan, right where it’s marked “Babel” innit? So the Shemites traveled eastward to the hill country exactly as i have previously stated. After that Scripture is silent regarding where they scattered to after the Babylonian edict.
Are we to keep going round and round this?
mayhem,
peace!
What’s your point? You are proving nothing, so what is your argument? You are making your self look very ignorant, because you cannot process common sense! Give it up already, you had your say!
Genesis 10:25 30And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest unto Sephar a mount of the east.
Mesha- Departure point, Mashhad Northern Iran the beginning of the silk trail
ספר
Sephar = “a numbering”
קדמה קדם
har= a mountain
קדמה קדם
qedem qêdmâh
keh’-dem, kayd’-maw
From H6923; the front, of place (absolutely the fore part, relatively the East) or time (antiquity); often used adverbially (before, anciently, eastward)
KJV Usage: aforetime, ancient (time), before, east (end, part, side), eternal, forward, old, past.
Brown-Driver-Briggs’ Hebrew Definitions
קדמה קדם
1. east, antiquity, front, that which is before, aforetime
a. front, from the front or east, in front, mount of the East
b. ancient time, aforetime, ancient, from of old, earliest time
c. anciently, of old (adverb)
d. beginning
Interpretation- And their dwelling place shall be from the departure point, as you go towards a numerous population, the mountain of the orient.
God’s Holy Word proves that the Shemites are Oriental!
My point, Donovan is that the word says the Shemites went east to the hill country, as far as Shinar, where they settled into the surrounding countryside. From there they were scattered, after the Tower of Babel incident, but Scripture does not say where they were scattered to.
It is your opinion that they migrated to the Orient and i’m not interested in your opinion so do you have any proof?
mayhem,
peace
If you can’t or will not see the truth, then you are deceived as they come! I am through with you because you are ignorant, and I will not waste my time with you! The Chinese are Shemites and I gave you enough proof! If you can’t understand the God of Shem and His lineal descendants the Oriental people, then you are blind. The Holy Bible has the last Word and in context it plainly states that Joktan went to the far east, to the farthest east, to land of the rising sun, the Orient to populate a multitude of Shemites!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkzfOE4_T3E
In all the complaining about “islam” … it is *NEVER* shown why “islam” is not a religion … “islam” is *ONLY* a political entity (with a military arm). It’s very simple to prove this.
The “islam” political machine claims that they are from … God’s covenant with Abraham.
The severe problem here … is that the “koran” rejects all manner of Abraham covenant writings, like the below (for example).
Much more listed on > > > http://www.Gods-Catholic-Dogma.com/section_113.1.html.
Does God have “prophets” who are liars against His Abraham covenant writings ? No, mohammed is not a prophet, “islam” is not a religion (just like the heresies are not religions).
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The “koran” in … “maryam 19:35” >
“It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son.”
Catholic Faith (pre-fulfillment) writing of Proverbs 30:4 >
“Who hath ascended up into Heaven, and descended? What is the name of *His Son*.”
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The “koran” in … “an nisa 4:157” >
“That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah. – but they killed him not.”
Catholic Faith (pre-fulfillment) writing of Daniel 9:26 >
“Christ shall be *slain*: and the people that shall deny Him shall not be His.”
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The “koran” in … “ali imran 3:2-3” >
“Allah. There is no god but He, the Living, the Self-Subsisting, Eternal.”
Catholic Faith (pre-fulfillment) writing of Genesis 18:1-3 >
1: “And *the Lord* appeared to him in the vale of Mambre …”
2: “And when he had lifted up his eyes, there appeared to him *Three* Men standing near to him and as soon as he saw them, he ran to meet Them from the door of his tent, and adored down to the ground.”
3: “And he said: *Lord*, if I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away from thy servant.”
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C A U T I O N: The Catholic Church has had *zero* … physical properties, priests, and bishops since 8 December 1965 … because of the Sources of Dogma on automatic excommunication for heresy.
Mountains of proof > http://www.Gods-Catholic-Dogma.com/section_12.html
Photographic proof > http://www.Gods-Catholic-Dogma.com/section_13.html
Abjuration of heresy to become Christian > http://www.Gods-Catholic-Dogma.com/section_19.1.html
(Abjuration takes about 45 minutes)
Why can’t you think of anything different than this same thing over and over again. After 5 times of the same post- it becomes spamage.