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The Old Testament Law – A complete explanation in three words?
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Mark 2:21-22 No man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse. And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.
Old Testament LawIt is impossible to mix the New Testament Covenant that has the saving blood of Christ, with the Old Testament Law that did not, they simply do not agree with each other. Putting new wine into an old bottle will cause both to perish, because the old bottle is not designed for the new. Under the Old Testament Law there was a temple that God’s Spirit dwelled in, under the new law of Christ we are the temple that he dwells in (1 Cor 3:16-17; 1 Cor 6:19).
Many claim to be partially under the Old Testament Law and therefore do not fully accept the new law of Christ; this is quite unfortunate.
The new law of Christ is not only better, it also happens to be the only choice available, as the old has passed away. Any man in Christ is a new creation and all things have become new; this new bottle refers to the vessel unto honor that we purge from iniquity as is required for the Holy Spirit to reside in; old things or events of the past such as the Old Testament Law are passed away (2 Cor 5:17; 2 Tim 2:21).
John 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now
Jesus Christ has brought forth the good or new wine which is the new covenant last; the first wine which was the old covenant was not nearly as good. Also the Old Testament Law was fulfilled or completed in him on the Cross, and has vanished.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
That beautiful law written within the heart, not on paper or stone or animal skins; this is the law we have been given and it is spiritual not physical in nature and purpose. The very issue the early church dealt with has rapidly became a doctrine of man today and caused not clarity, but confusion – this is what happens when works begins to trump faith. At the end of the day, to revert back to the Torah is to spit in the face of the grace we have recieved and to believe what has been finished to not be complete.
Well said thank-you for the response
You correctly alluded to the doctrine of confusion when works begins to trump faith
I would only add that these dead works represent the opposite of faith
I have an old KJV the uses the word ‘done’ instead of ‘finished’.
Jesus said:”It is finished.” What does that mean?
Revelation21: 5-6:”And he who is seated on the high seat said, See, I make all things new. And he said, Put it in the book; for these words are certain and true.”
“And he said to me, It is done. I am the First and the Last, the start and the end. I will freely give of the fountain of the water of life to him who is in need.”
‘done’ phonetically sounds like the word ‘dun’ which is an aquatic insect that crawls out of the water and turns/ evolves into a flying insect, very much like Christ changed from the ‘material’ world to the spiritual world.
Exactly, all things are made new through the Great IAM
Without Christ Jesus, the Old Testament Law and the prophets are very much useless
It is all about Him who saves us!!!
destined
saves you from WHAT??? Keeping the Law???
That is YOUR message — Christ saved us from having to keep the law that state: to lie, to murder, to commit adultery and to steal is wrong?? Plus have another god before the ONE TRUE GOD??
THATS what you want to be saved from having to live by???
seeker…
Romans 8
8There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For the law of the Spirit* of life in Christ Jesus has set you* free from the law of sin and of death. 3For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do: by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and to deal with sin,* he condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the just requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.* 5For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit* set their minds on the things of the Spirit.* 6To set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit* is life and peace. 7For this reason the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law—indeed it cannot, 8and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh; you are in the Spirit,* since the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10But if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit* is life because of righteousness. 11If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ* from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also through* his Spirit that dwells in you.
maxwell
again have you read anything I have written??
Max what is the condemnation of the law? it is the penalty of death imposed for transgressing that HOLY LAW.
YES max I am freed from the penalty of death because of the sacrifice of Christ and thus free from the Law that shines the light of truth on what is sin.
I no longer have that penalty of death hanging over my head it was removed by Jesus Christ.
The LAW of GOD is HOLY JUST AND GOOD according to Paul.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? —-God forbid. — Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Paul states I would not have any idea that lust was a sin unless the LAW explained that FACT!
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
without law there is no such thing as sin!
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
For I was alive without the penalty of death but when I came to know the commandments I sinned and I came under the penalty of death.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
The commandments which was ordained to give life I found to give death because human nature is totally sinful and can never obey God’s HOLY LAW.
11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
MAX –Paul states the LAW IS HOLY!! and HE states it is NOT a SIN to obey the LAW, “God forbid.”
Do you actually believe what GOD made HOLY can be against us??
max you have been shown the Law is HOLY JUST and GOOD and it is for us to obey today– now when God and Jesus Christ walks contrary to us in great FURY you will finally come to understand WHY you are being punished.
…seeker…If I remember correctly you don’t believe that Christ is YHVH…on earth. You still separate them, in your beliefs. Is that right?
No Maxwell The Father has never been on earth, only Christ i.e. the WORD! and the being we know as GOD in the Old Testament times was not the Father it was Christ.
The Word became Jesus Christ and every thing that has been made was made by Christ.
There are not two or three personalities in one entity , Elohiym is a plural word and is the family name.
There is the Father and there is the Son and soon Christ will have many brothers with the exact spirit body as He has. Phil 3: 21
max for what purpose did God make the earth and place man upon it??
I should have a paper out soon that pulls together many scriptures on this subject, and I know you will scream.
…seeker…”max for what purpose did God make the earth and place man upon it?
…Well son, we are created for His pleasure.
destined
What a lie !!!!– what was finished is the Sacrifice for sin prophesied from the beginning.
What is finished is the task Jesus Christ came to earth to complete — the payment of the debt for the sins for all mankind.
YOU in your hatred of the rule of Jesus Christ over those HE came to save — hate that rule!!!
If you do not repent and if you do not willingly allow Christ to rule over you — this is the end Christ promises YOU !!
27 But those mine enemies, —– which would not that I should reign over them, —- bring hither, —————and slay [them] before me.
Those that refuse to allow Christ to rule them will be cast into the Lake of Fire.
destined
I have another question you can not answer;
When did the first Passover take place??
Oh and here is another, please bring forth the old testament prophecy that one would come and remove the LAW from the Covenant and abolish it??
If they speak not according to the LAW and the Prophets it is because there is NO LIGHT IN THEM!
Destined here is the last chapter of the last book of the Old Testament and these are the last 4 scriptures —- how do they match up with what you teach???
They destroy all you teach !!!!
1For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
4Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. {THE END OF THE PROPHETS.}
According to the scripture you cited, it is the job of Elijah the prophet to turn the hearts of men – and at that time slavery and stoning offenders of the law and all the other bronze age requirements will be set back into place? By condemning and judging believers now against the law of m Moses…brother that is some pretty sandy soil you are treading upon. It has been spoken truthseeker – by the weight of the judgement you hold unto others shall you be judged against? Are you not spying out the freedom we have in Christ Jesus? Are you not attempting to bring into the ecclesia believers throught the law of Moses? Have we not already been throught this 2000 years ago in Galatians and Acts and Hebrews? By whose authority do you do these things? Really then, who do you think that you are?
What does Jesus’ Jewish identity have to do with anything? This is never magnified in the New Testament. Jesus is the Savior of all who will repent and submissively trust in him. Revelation 7 states there will be people in God’s kingdom from every tribe, people, language and nation all redeemed by the precious blood of Jesus. Of what nationality Messiah was as He walked the earth is totally irrelevant and you dare accurse yourself by turing aside from the simplicity of the Gospel that was preached to the ears of the gentiles in the early days of the ecclesia – Jesus died and rose on the third day for remission of sins through repentance and faith in that shed blood. Gentile converts were not forced to circumsision ( see Titus ) and this was the introductory and established method given to Moses as a seal for him. Seeker you are heapeing a judgement upon your head by admonishing as Peter did when Paul came and told him to his face that he was wrong. Today I do the same to you by the power and authority vested in me in Jesus name. It has been spoken.
You hate our freedom and faith in Christ Jesus and it clearly pisses you off! You feel that if you are a Torah keeper, so shall others be…modern day Judaizer and nothing less. Shame on you for upholding a law our forefathers could not bear as you walk around doing nothing to edify the Body of Christ. Woe unto you – we have been thru this racket 200 years ago…some things never change do they?
There is no New Testament substantiation by God, Jesus, Apostles for Israel’s right to return to the promised land in 1948 after God himself made Israel, Jerusalem desolate and dispersed them world wide in 70 ad. I know that many Jews falsely still do think they are God’s chosen ones, and the world still revolves about them, and they try to take false credit for Christianity now too.. Dream on.. Jesus was born into a Jewish family, but he was not a real Jew as his father God was not a Jew.. anyway being Jewish is also now holding to the Jewish religion as any orthodox Jew will confirm to you but which Jesus clearly and his Jewish followers gave up when he formed his New Christian Religion, about the Yeshua crap, there is no where in the New Testament Bible are we to call Jesus other than his give Greek name Jesus Christ and not some Hebrew derivation of it too now. Talmudic Jews and United Nations’ Masons are looking for God’s blessing upon the rest of mankind . They are deceiving themselves and are aided and abetted by their own false teachers.. Though mankind’s blessings came from the Jews , so will all its curses . If you do not believe this you had better read your Bible . These people do not reveal or revere the real Jesus . If these Messianic Jews ever do these things I will believe they are true Christians . This group is nothing less than a fifth column deceiving supposed Christians and Jews who may have a real interest in Christ. Dwell upon this in your quiet place. To whom do you belong truth seeker?
Satan wants you to think of the verse “ and so all Israel shall be saved “ , which means that all who trust Christ as Savior and Lord , not any unbelieving Jews. Christians and the current non-Christian Jews also do worship different gods , The Jews do not, did not truly honor Christ as the promised Messiah , but are looking for another that will come in his own name . The Talmud itself speaks of absolute mockery and hatred for Christ and Christians. Only a small remnant of remaining Jews will accept Christ after he has poured out his wrath upon them for their constant rejection of him. Of which sort are you dear seeker of truth?
Israel has no longer any standing before God, or any part in His future purposes. The New Testament Scriptures makes it now certain that the national restoration of Israel after the flesh is not a part of the revealed will of God, but that the reverse is true. God regards natural Israel earthly kingdom with utter detestation, and He will never restore it, Next when John the Baptist preached to the Jewish people, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand,” he was not announcing the setting up again of the earthly throne of David for Israel as many Jews, some professing Christians falsely hoped, believe it would happen again.
” Lord, speak to me and I will obey. I know, Lord, that I cannot do anyithing in my strength, but only by Your indwelling strength, the Holy Spirit who will enable me. Speak, Lord, Your servant is listening.” Is this also now your prayerseeker of truth? Why do you insist on an inherent message of judgement when we are redeemed and made complete by our faith and not by our alignment with The Law?
Today when a Christian tells me that they are “Torah-observant” then all kinds of alarms go off. It may be that they are just into Hebrew roots‘ – but usually it is a lot more than that. Bible warns against – losing the “simplicity” of the faith. And that is why Paul was so strong against the Judaizers. He saw that Christians were being tempted – not to place their faith in Christ alone – but rather in Christ PLUS the keeping of the Law. It was no longer a simple trust in JESUS to be their righteousness. They now started to feel they had to keep the letter of the Old Law too – in order to be truly “holy”. And so they became“Judaized”. This is the worst trap possible. And so subtle!
yourpainhasapurpose
As you are espousing the normal doctrines of so called Christianity and most likely not versed in the WORD of GOD to a great degree, I will answer you by quoting the WORDS of Jesus Christ as HE explains those that follow HIM will be obeying the LAW i.e. the Torah.
If you take these scriptures to a minister or whom ever they will stumble around with excuse after excuse in an attempt to tell you Christ does not mean what HE is saying or only while He was on earth was this in effect.
Which I ask — of the 40,000 varieties, flavors, kinds or whatever, of so called Christianity which is the ONE TRUE CHURCH of GOD??
With the great diversity of doctrines and methods of worship etc among them; is that not confusion??? Is God confused? Is Jesus Christ confused? Does God the Father want HIS Church to be in confusion over what is true and what is NOT?
Does either want the Body of Christ to follow Christ in 40,000 diverse and confusing paths?? Does not Christ state it is a very narrow path that few find?
Matthew 19
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, —– that I may have eternal life?
This man is asking Christ what he must do to attain eternal life, is that not a correct statement? Is that NOT what the rich man is asking?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Christ responds by telling the man; –if you want to into enter live eternal KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS! — is Christ lying? If the commandments were to be nailed to the stake at Christ death why is Christ telling this man to keep the commandments?? Was Christ confused???
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Here because the man asked “which” Christ list 5 of the 6 commandments that explain how we must love our neighbor and then gives one of the two great precepts; “love thy neighbor’.
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Christ did not list any of the 4 commandments that show us how we are to love God BECAUSE those are the commandments the man was transgressing.
The rich man placed his wealth before God thus breaking the first 4 Commandments.
and did not Christ tell the rich man to FOLLOW HIM? and by what WAY by what LAW was Christ living and telling us to follow HIM as HE follows that LAW.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: —–for he had great possessions.
And at the beginning of chapter 19 Jesus Christ makes the point if you divorce your wife for any reason except fornication and you marry another YOU have committed adultery and if any man marries the divorced wife HE is committing adultery.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Yourpain if the 10 commandment which are the foundation of the TORAH was to be abolished at the Death of Christ why then is Christ teaching the Torah as TRUTH NOW ???
Matthew 23
Yourpain here Jesus Christ specifically tells HIS disciples to obey the TORAH,
1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
Moses ruled the 12 tribes by the TORAH which is all they had of what we call the Old Testament during the 40 year and when they went into the Promised Land.
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, — OBSERVE — and –“DO” —-; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Yourpain can you honestly say these words spoken by our savior are not telling HIS disciples to observe the Torah, to OBSERVE AND “DO” the Torah??
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Your pain, Jesus Christ IS MY MASTER and I DO ALL my MASTER tells me to do because it is my duty to obey my MASTER. And HE tells me to obey the Torah!
Yourpain what is the point of the parable of the talents spoken by Jesus Christ in Matthew 25? The Word of God is very clear we are rewarded for our works but eternal life is a free gift that can NOT be earned.
There is no reward for a servant that does what is required of him. I am not in any way “earning” salvation.
Yourpain are you aware Christ taught from the Torah, the Prophets and the Psalms?? Christ quoted from the Torah often.
Here are examples:
Matthew 4: 4
4 But he answered and said, It is written, “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
And here is where that came from;
Deuteronomy 8: 3.
3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every [word] that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
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Matthew 4
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, “Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. “
Deuteronomy 6
16 Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted [him] in Massah
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Matthew 4
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, “Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him “only” shalt thou serve.”
Deuteronomy 6
13 Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.
Exodus 34
14 For thou shalt worship no other God: (EL) for the LORD, whose name [is] Jealous, [is] a jealous God:
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Psalms 22
1 my God, why hast thou forsaken me? [why art thou so] far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring?
Matthew 27
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? “
Yourpain if you accuse me of falsely teaching the Torah is to be obeyed by Christians then are you not accusing Jesus Christ of falsely teaching from the Torah and teaching it is to be obeyed???
Why was Christ teaching from the Torah in the first place if it was to be totally abandoned??
Who do you believe Christ or men???
I follow Jesus Christ as all men are liars and I will add — do not believe me either, you are commended to prove all things.
The WORD of GOD IS TRUTH !!
By the way if the 12 tribes of Israel i.e GOD’s Chosen people have no part in God’s kingdom, if God can just pitch out the only people on earth He has worked with – can HE then change HIS mind again and pitch out so called Christians?
there are scriptures stating it is impossible for God to cast away HIS Chosen People. The tides would have to stop first.
Are you aware the 12 tribes were divided into two nations? The House of Israel and the House of Judah and only the House of Judah are Jews.
Do some study on Ephraim, Ephraim is God’s first born and is half Hebrew and half Egyptian. Ephraim is the tribe that heads the House of Israel and Judah heads the House of Judah. JU- dah
destined,
why don’t you step in here and help yourpain out?
Please show yourpain how a “real man of god” as you have categorized yourself can make the clear statements of Jesus Christ mean something totally different then they – without doubt – are saying??
As Christ told Paul “it is hard to kick against the pricks” i.e the sharps point of truth!!
But you keep on trying don’t you???
destined
Is there no one to help you?? Early on you told us you had a team of very “learned folks” — where are they??
Can’t you find a smart fellow that knows his bible and put your two heads together and confront me with clear scriptures showing prophecy that states Christ must come to take that evil Law off our backs?
And that the only requirement for salvation is to speak in the languages of angels, you know, that unintelligible mumbling you do!
Hey! yourpain needs some reassuring, some help, how about stepping in here.
Seeker trust me here, I carefully read and cross referenced with Strongs and I see your point. I believe there is scripture that supports both ways of belief and I well admire your faith and knowledge..it speaks loudly to how important faith in our Lord is and following His word. I have come to conclude that the other sheep (gentiles) are not under the authority of the law, and Jews/Israelites are….How Christ reconciles all things may be the pivot point where gentiles will begin to adhere as one flock, its just a guess. But I am certain of my calling and His presence, and I refuse to cast judgement your way and hope you do the same. These ideally are the same issues that faced early Christianity, and I am soilid in my faith and manner of belief in Gods Word. I just think that trying to bring belivers under the law..I think it is wrong. I believe there is a marked difference between the Jews and Gentile syet today, and the Torah is a large part of this. Thanks for the timely response. I appreciate your time and stay solid in the faith.
…Your pain…Well said. I respect seeker’s tenacity, if nothing else. I’m sure that his POV and mine can never intersect, on this subject. He’s really passionate, and that’s what draws me into his sphere.
…Seeker’s judgmental attitude, and his “exclusionary” philosophy rubs me the wrong way..Its just not Christian. Never a trace of encouragement. I call him a zionist, but the way you put it, is much more merciful. Thanks.
…Do you believe the ‘chosen’ have specific destiny?
…seeker…it is my opinion that you’re enamored of the lord of death. You just won’t be satisfied until you witness, all those who don’t believe as you do, pass on into the ‘lake of fire’…in fact, You seem to be cheering it on…
maxwell
You have never understood what I say — you are all hung up in mysticism and spiritualism.
To believe one goes to heaven when one dies when a great number scriptures state that is a satanic lie tells me you have not understood one word I have written – ever.
…And that’s what’s most important, isn’t it seeker…that I understand your opinion. I understand what your zionism is all about.
…What you’re not taking into consideration is, your next habitat is spiritual, and ALL WHO HAVE EVER WALKED THE EARTH, JOIN YOU THERE. For a thousand years.
…No more Jew …no more Gentile. All standing on equal footing before the LORD. You’ll finally find out how your philosophy fits.
…seeker…Now, be sure, when you’re standing before the throne, to tell the LORD, how many evil spirits you cast out, while you were here.
maxwell
you have yet to understand!!!
The time of the end when God walks contrary first to all the nations of House of Israel and then to the gentiles IS COMING BECAUSE the entire world hates the rule of GOD and hates HIS LAW.
The Jews rejected Christ as their king and the entire world has as well, God is very very soon going to utterly destroy the entire world BECAUSE
I did not hit submit, I guess BIN just sends stuff when it wants to now.
To finish; all of the horror coming upon this earth is coming because people will not allow God to rule over them, they have rejected HIS HOLY LAW and HIS KING of kings.
They want to celebrate the birth of a little helpless baby, they do not want a powerful KING telling them what is right and what is wrong.
Max all of the “stuff” you come up with makes no sense,
I want no followers, I will not point them to a church, I want them to understand Why America and the entire world is going to come crashing down into a pile of broken bricks and 90% will die.
Just like you and destined preach — “the LAW is finished”!
that max is a lie and is the reason for what is coming and the reason I write as I do.
I expect no one to listen — but they will be warned.
Max you will not be able to say to God, ‘God if you had just told me I would have listened and obeyed’
Max it is ALL in the WORD of GOD I am just point out what is written.
…seeker…My obedience to the Word, has been my only sustenance…all my life.
…I don’t think you have the timing quite right. beef supreme once advised me to, not “immanantize the Eschaton”, but I can’t help myself. What I see coming, in the immediate future, is the end of all these discussions about who’s right and who is wrong, on these earthly levels…
…Are you really ready?
Max LOL what is it that you obey??? You make up your own rules and traditions and days.
Remember every day is the Sabbath to you!! and If I am not mistaken you pick a day and call it passover.
I show you clear scriptures telling you to do something and you do the exact opposite.
max talking with you is an exercise in futility.
To you, up is not even down, its sideways.
…Well, seeker, I am only worshiping Jesus Christ. Your RELIGION is YOUR religion…I am not religious. My beliefs tend to run to common sense. I know what “I” know, and it really has little to do with any rituals, or religious traditions. What I see in your rants is an incredible insecurity about YOUR OWN SALVATION…That you still don’t believe is completely paid for.
max we are to DO the will of the Father exactly as Christ did the will of the Father.
One of the reasons Christ came was to reveal the Father and teach us to Worship i.e. follow the Father exactly as did and still does Jesus Christ.
Christ taught us to worship i.e. “follow’ or copy the Father in all things.
We are to pray to our Father and ask for what we need using the authority of Jesus Christ.
I do not pray to Jesus Christ, I ask my Father using the name, using the authority of Christ.
I base all that I do on the Word of GOD.
…Seeker…whatever satisfies YOUR religious needs. You’re old enough to know what those needs are. Go for it. You don’t need anyone’s approval…. Nor does anyone need your’s.
…Do what your HEART tells you. Stop trolling the emancipated…Are you arrogant enough to deny other people’s reality of salvation? I bet you are….what do you say?
MAX I told you I am a realist, a person that wants facts and truth not emotional garbage and never foolishness;
Max my “heart” pumps blood and does nothing more, my heart tells me not one thing – I seek my Fathers’ will not my own, My will is death and pain I have had enough of that.
max I am not trolling I am warning of the WRATH to Come.
…seeker…We ALL know about the coming wrath of God…That is not too hard to see for any, aware, Christian. The Antichrist’s punishment, is next. I welcome the wrath of GOD. Its not directed at me…and it takes out the rudiments….finally.
…I don’t know how many Pharisees, ever got Christ’s truth…but I bet their arguments sounded just like your’s.
…Don’t quit…take it to the limit…sooner or later (if there is a ‘later’), you’ll have to face that your philosophy/religion, is not doing for you, what the simple presence of the Holy Spirit is doing in the lives of, so many “Sunday” Christians.
…Its ‘all’ about “heart”, seeker. (you seem to be all about intellectual understanding.)
I believe the chosen have a specific destiny and that it has been forknown and forerdained since before this embryo ever became manifest. When the Holy Spirit came upon me on 2/23/14, our Lord took me back through my life like a picture show and showed me those moments in time that lead me to the place I was. It was as if every single decision and moment had led me to the very minute in my life that very day where I would be able to recieve what He was so graciously giving. It changed everything Max because I wasnt going to church or in knowledge of truth – I was a disfellowshipped abandoned ex Jehovah Witness who was a bible reader at best and a sinner to the 10th degree. It gave me a purpose and it wasnt just to know the Lord – I was clay now to the very hands that had a design and intent for this life. It was awesome. It still is and I aint special, but I know that what happened that day and since, was miraculous. It changed everything about my life before and after that day.
The chosen are going to rock this world with the Word of Truth that is the sword that divides light from dark and wheat from tare. I believe this ministry will be at His time of choosing and calling, and will be backed by an outpouring of Spirit that will see miracles and healings as we did when Christ was upon this soil. Effectively I believe the chosen will be Christ Jesus in the here and now spiritually – but to be honest, that is just my opinion I reckon. Max Ill tell ya I am big on Jesus and His word because it literally saved my life and changed this old rolling stone of a heart. I am just a plain nobody, but I know I have a purpose in Christ Jesus and I love Him truly. Perhaps this is why I get inflamed with the Judaizers/Zionists because it is very counter to the Spirit I have recieved, and the opposite of the faith I believe in. BTW – thanks for sharing and I always keep up with your comments here – I believe we are brothers. Me you and seeker should have coffee one day
have a good one!!!
…Your pain…You have blown me away. I’m sorta, speechless. If we have coffee with seeker, ever, I’d like to have TCB…there, too. If we could drag him away from his livestock.