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Moscow Times Predicts U.S. Collapse
Back in 1998 a top professor, Igor Panarin the “dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry’s academy for future diplomats” predicted the breakup of the United States. Later, The Wall Street Journal reported, “he was joined by enthusiastic support from the Russian media.” Now the Moscow Times is reporting the U.S. is about to collapse, just as predicted, and the fault is massive mismanagement of the economy by some states and the Obama administration.
Reaction to re-election of Obama
The Moscow Times notes that petitions for secession erupted after the November 6th elections. More than 500,000 people from all 50 states signed petitions seeking peaceful secession from the United States.
Although they note no one in the U.S. takes the petitions seriously (except perhaps a minority), they argue Russia should not take it seriously either.
Michael Bohm, the opinion page editor of The Moscow Times, also rejects the prediction of Professor Igor Panarin.
And although the petitions to the White House caused a flurry of reaction from some of the mainstream press, many bloggers mocked the petitions or attacked them with venemous editorials.
Yet the press, the Russian editor, and the bloggers have all missed one crucial thing: the groundwork for real secession has already been laid—or is in the process of being laid—by as many as 14 states. Some have already implemented the process.
First step already taken by several states
The very first step toward a future state secession is not a petition signed by a small percentage of the citizens from that state.
The first step is to authorize, recognize, and issue currency apart from the U.S. dollar and for the state legislature to declare it legal currency in that state. At least two states have done so, issuing legal currency backed by gold and silver, as of this writing.
No state can secede without first issuing its own currency.
Dollar will not necessarily collapse if some states secede
Bohm raises the possibility that if the U.S. breaks up, the dollar will likely collapse and that will pull Russia down as it holds almost half of its foreign currency reserves in U.S. Treasury Bonds. In fact, he argues, the entire global economy would melt down.
Would it? Probably not. Bohm sets up a straw man and then attacks it. In reality only a handful of states would likely secede and America would not “split into six parts.”
Extrapolating on a secession, only eight to 10 states seceding is enough to cause the federal governmental structure to splinter and fall into near collapse. Those states would be going on “strike” against a rogue government that has seized the reins of power and steered the Republic into political and economic disaster, and a Constitutional crises arising from the Second and Tenth Amendments.
Despite the fact that perhaps only 20 percent of the states secede while the majority stays in the Union, the tail can wag the dog in this case and those 10 states will have significant leverage and can exert a great deal of pressure on the centralized government.
The Balkanization of America? Not likely
What states are likely to secede?
If secession ever becomes a reality, the states likely to secede are those that will be hurt the most by the coming restrictions on the energy sector: coal, natural gas and petroleum production. Under this secenario the state most likely to vote for secession first would be North Dakota—it’s almost a given if the Obama administration’s EPA moves to outlaw fracking. The EPA has been making noises about doing that and garnering studies slanted to “prove” oil fracking is polluting groundwater, harming the environment overall, and may even be triggering earthquakes.
North Dakota is in a prime spot for secession geographically. It’s a border state neighboring Canada and it can fly its aircraft in and out and make trade agreements with the government of Canada.
Being able to outmaneuver the federal government is critical if a state secession is to succeed. The only states that can easily secede would be the ones that border the continental U.S., and Alaska and Hawaii.
States that support Obama are not likely to secede, and neither are landlocked states unless one of the border states lies next to them and has already seceded.
That scenario allows for as many as 10 or more states to secede.
Secession mechanism
Bohm erroneously believes (as do many Americans) that the U.S. Constitution does not provide for secession. He, along with others believe the federal government is like the old-time Mafia: you can join, but the only way you can leave is in a casket.
He writes: “In reality, there is no mechanism in the U.S. Constitution for a state to secede from the Union. When South Carolina and 10 other states tried to secede in 1860 and 1861, President Abraham Lincoln sent federal troops into the Confederacy. After four years of civil war and the deaths of more than 600,000 Americans, the U.S. restored its territorial integrity in 1865.”
Because Abraham Lincoln violated States’ Rights does not mean that states have lost the power to exercise their rights. In fact almost up to the Civil War (or War Between the States), it was assumed by most in Washington, D.C. (including elected officials) that states had a right to secede if they found it necessary. It was one of the safety valves of the Republic and a protection against a tyrannical central government.
The right to secede was recognized up through the 1850s as being in the Second and Tenth Amendments to the Constitution.
Bohm, an editor for The Moscow Times can be forgiven, as he is a Russian, afterall. But there is not an excuse for any American to be so ignorant.
Professor Igor Panarin sticks by his prediction
Other opinions
“Meanwhile, Alexander Oskin, chairman of the Press Distributors’ Association, a Moscow-based trade group for publishers and the mass media, told Vzglyad.ru that the online petition movement is the first massive separatist movement in the U.S. since the Civil War. Oskin also believes that the U.S. will collapse in the same way that the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia did,” Bohm writes.
Igor Panarin remains steadfast in his prediction, even though 2010 has come and gone. Many in the Russian media are leaning toward the same viewpoint.
They may be right. If Washington continues to ratchet up regulations, taxes and redistribution of wealth schemes; if Congress and the Executive Branch attack wealth, production, business and producers, secession may come.
It only depends on how much pain certain states are willing to bear and for how long.
We need to fire the federal government, all of it, and restart it from scratch.
Not when they will fire upon you first. They don’t work for us they work for our masters.
Oh, your masters say hi and watch the hell out of what’s coming.
Bring on the collaspe, a good ole crash an burn, might wake up some sheeple rest r to go under the bus lol burn it down
What if community’s across the nation seceeded from national/state lottery’s and formed theirown where only the residents could play…it would be a better chance to win as well as those funds would help to keep their city in business. ??? Those $$$ in fact could help these areas to acually feel comfortable to seceed from all aspects of a controlling
Federal
Govt.
The Globalists decide when the plug gets pulled on the Republic. They are yanking at it right now…testing the notion with the American Public…supporting secessionist movements. They are certainly funding the political organizations necessary within the States to break apart the Union, because we will be much easier to defeat if we are already fragmented politically. Our strength has always been our unity and diversity, and now all of that is being memed as a negative to the population for the predictive programming necessary to bring about an actual collapse. Anyone who accepts this garbage is a traitor to the nation and should be tried for treason. Things may not be perfect in the US right now, but our problems can be fixed a whole lot quicker if we hang together than if we go at each other’s throats like the Globalists are hoping and, indeed, predicting we will do. What is your choice as an American…to support the Globalists or to support and defend the Republic against all enemies foreign and domestic?
End the Fed. Arrest the Bankers. Cancel the U.S. Debt. Issue U.S. Treasury Silver Certificates. Put Amerca back to work on its re-building its infrastructure. If Congress and the President don’t comply then there are Constitutional provisions to recall Congress and impeach the President. Secession is not the answer to anything, except the goal of the Globalists.
There should be no president, there should never be ONE man in charge, it goes to their big fat heads and it leaves far too much room for corruption…like obama!
Dude, this thing is so corrupted and f’ed up you can’t fix it. It needs to be destroyed and rebuilt. The government has become too large and powerful along with a corporate oligarchy that controls every aspect of our lives, that is not a Republic my friend. The United States as you once knew it died a long time ago…
The Russians & Chinese know because they are planning to break up the US. America is being sacrificed for the NWO: http://psychicfocus.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/are-chinese-russians-only-going-to.html. Best to prepare for what options you will take now. This is expected as early as 2013.
60% of the Senate and 40% of the House are lawyers. Then add the WH, JD, Supreme Idiots and the rest and what you have is a monumental ring of corruption. No need to impeach, just arrest and jail them all along with the bankers and CEO’s that have contributed to the raping of America. We can sit back and be victims or be proactive and start issuing indictments. Where are our patriotic sheriffs and military? Is there no honest judge in the land? In the meantime, quit using banks, paying taxes and cooperating with their illegal searches. Time for peaceful non compliance and time to go “Icelandic” on the PTB.
: just arrest and jail them all along with the bankers and CEO’s!
Plus give them a FAIR TRIAL before hanging them all!
Really, are we going to let one lone dog divide and conquer all
i didn’t mean to say ‘lone’ because we all know that he isn’t alone… but , he is only one person and one person can be dealt with completely permanent … i don’t see how… strike that, “Greed”… that’s at the root of it all… that’s why we are being ‘REQUIRED’ to pay… sin….it is repugnant … i am ashamed, dismayed, appalled, … i can only scratch the surface of how upset i am with this current situation… and yet, this is all being ‘ALLOWED’ BY GOD so that we KNOW beyond doubt that IT IS HE WHO WILL RESTORE EVERYTHING… it is getting so far past the point of no return that ONLY HE CAN !!!!!!! REPENT!REPENT!!REPENT!!!JESUS SAVES NOW….you don’t have to wait on HIM… HE’S WAITING on you, right now, this instant. Look for yourself and you too will find HIM.
The banter of secession from the Union is ridiculous. If you recall, we fought a war over this issue from 1861 to 1865. However, consider the following as a viable constitutional alternative to unravelling the status quo: At present, the U.S. has several Territories to include Guam, Puerto Rico, CNMI, USVI and American Samoa. The residents are U.S. citizens and they do not pay federal income tax. However, as collective dependents of the U.S., they receive billions of dollars each year in goodies to include food stamps, HUD housing, subsidized U.S. Postal Service etc., from Uncle Sam. In exchange, they are not allowed to vote in the Presidential election and they do not have U.S. Senators. However, each territory is allowed one non-voting representative in the U.S. House of Representatives. This person is selected by the territorial Governor. What if the red states decided that they no longer want to be states and opted to reverting back to being U.S. Territories? The blue states would get the luxury of supporting these territories with goodies through their taxes. Since the residents of blue states claim to have a monopoly on compassion, they shouldn’t have a problem with their financial support of the territories. Thus, the argument is that the red states aren’t seceding from the Union, they are opting to becoming dependent’s of the Union. Problem solved. Everyone is happy.
The blue states support the red states already as it is. I don’t see how this would change anything.
You damnyanks seem to forget one thing: why is it that it was “treason” for eleven states to secede in 1861, yet it was okay for several states in northwestern Virginia to secede in 1862? It’s a question we in the South have been waiting for an answer to since 1865!
What are you on? No one alive in the south today was even a gleam in their pappy’s eye in 1865, so how are they still “waiting” for anything, much less about news on how “several states” can secede from one state – i.e. Virginia – in your comment? I am from the south, born and raised by parents who are from the south, and I only know of two types of morons who care about that stupid crap – idiots who actually think the war really had to do with something other than slavery (there were other issues involved, but if you think that putting us darkies down wasn’t the biggest issue, then you are retarded), and idiots who think that race should STILL be an issue in today’s world. So how about this… you tell me why my great grandfather, great great grandfather, and their families and friends were beaten, degraded, raped, torn from their families, bought and sold like F@#$!ING ANIMALS; and I will tell you exactly why any “northern aggression” happened, and how happy my family was that it did. Please though – go ahead and try to secede again along with the rest of the .000001% of the population in the U.S. that actually takes this sh!t seriously. You’ll be amazed at how much no one will care when you guys leave this great country, so that it can become even greater than it already is! The U.S.A. is great – f#@k you whiners and your traitorous hearts!
The war between the states had nothing to do with slavery. As a matter of fact there was more slaves in the north. Abolishing slavery was just a show of power. Knowing history is the only way to accurately discuss this issue. So… People did not sneak though the bushes and grab people in the night. Africans were sold to slave traders by other Africans. And this isn’t just a southern issue anymore. If the hard working law abiding citizens would stand up and hold our government accountable for their actions. People who still want to use race as. an excuse is
just as ignorant as any other extremist. There is more discrimination now against white Christians than anyone so please know your facts first.
The Egyptian people are revolting against Morsi, who gave himself the rights of a dictator they are marching in the streets, and Morsi left the palace.
Why are not millions of Americans marching on Washington to demand the removal of the usurper?
Because there are too many DUMB Americans, including those who voted obama back in, this puke will be the demise of america and other countries, yet the american people can’t see past their noses??! Talk about a country that has been dummied down big time. The restof the world knows what is REALLY going on in Syria, but not the dummied down americans who think they know it all and no one can hurt them, well your president is trying really hard to do so!!
Great question…WHY are we not revolting yet demanding the removal ?…because most people have become a part of the wussification of America…what ever happened to the back bone of the people..remember the constitution even if it is hanging by a thread still states We The People..not We The Government …take notes from the Egyptians and Europeans, they at least have the bawls to stand and fight back and not be controlled like the Chinese and Russians..thats Americans future..why not , the Chinese allready own us and are pulling Obamas strings..feed the people a bone now and then with propaganda on the TV that everything is ok and to go out a buy something sparkly and new and made in china.
The blog brings up a very good point – the reason for the war of Lincoln was the South’s attempt to create its own currency. It was never about ‘slavery’, but WHO controls the money supply. The United States is a union of the DOLLAR, and nothing more.
Get rid of the FEDERAL RESERVE and the IRS! They are private corporations who abide by GREED/ELITE/ and CULT. We need a goverment with spiritual leaders for the people/minus RELIGION!
They forget that when a government fails the American people, like getting an unqualifed Muslim foreign negroe to rule white Christian people.
The American people have a right to forfeit that government and establish a new one fit for the people according to Constitutional standards and bearings.
Seems Igor forgot about that.
Too bad we can’t just now dissolve or liquidate the federal government just like a bankrupt corporation would do. Then States could form whatever new federations they might choose. As the economy shrinks in the long term under the pressure of inadequate energy to fuel it, centralized government will become increasingly unworkable, and if we plan to survive we will need decentralization with most economic and political organization being local.
As it is, I see revolution or civil war on the horizon, maybe within a decade or two as economic conditions become intolerable and the tyranny from Washington, DC increases to some threshold beyond which people will rebel.
Why does this sound just like what John Titor was talking about? Very strange.
this is an exampleof whatwould happen on alarge scale if an EMP blast in low altitude on aircraft decent were to occur. there arehundreds of aircraft in the skies atany given time and a blast of this sort or from asolar mirror in space woul…
d not only disable radars ground control but autopilots and moreimportantly “HYDRAULICS. pretty hard to land a plane safely then and they would be dropping over cities and suburbs in that scenario since they would be on ppraoch to major metro airports.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/20/jetblue-flights-hydraulic_n_1611583.html
Passengers Get Sick After Plane’s Hydraulics Fail
http://www.huffingtonpost.com
A JetBlue flight was forced to make an emergency landing Sunday after its hydraulic system failed, reports ABC News.
Passengers Get Sick After Plane’s Hydraulics Fail
http://www.huffingtonpost.com
A JetBlue flight was forced to make an emergency landing Sunday after its hydraulic system failed, reports ABC News.
something like the abovemay occur,and then there is the NASA warning of some of the geminid meteor shower dec-12-14th strikeing the earth. there very well could be another 1908 tunguska siberia overhead explosion over a city or two.
Passengers Get Sick After Plane’s Hydraulics Fail
http://www.huffingtonpost.com
A JetBlue flight was forced to make an emergency landing Sunday after its hydraulic system failed, reports ABC News.
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Passengers Get Sick After Plane’s Hydraulics Fail
http://www.huffingtonpost.com
A JetBlue flight was forced to make an emergency landing Sunday after its hydraulic system failed, reports ABC News.
and of course the media or DHD would never give the public a “heads up for air travel dureing the holidays. much needed revenue at stake and this comes before safety and lives to govt and corporate need
This is scary, because Obama hates conservatives enough to go to war with them. Look how he has viciously attacked Arizona, first with his lawsuits against Arizona’s illegal immigration laws, then with fast and furious, trying to paint them as pumping American guns down to Mexican drug cartels.
So he can’t wait for a united secession movement, to send troops into these states, to take over their governments. After all, he is politically from Illinois, a lawyer by trade just like President Lincoln, and he thinks of himself as the greatest president since Lincoln, so he is just looking for such a battle to save the liberal union, and force Texas to help pay off California’s debt.
Do not expect Obama to back down from the threat of secession.
I have predicted for several years that the USA will become several mutually antagonistic countries. At least one will be a totalitarian theocracy The largest one will be a more socialistic country such as Sweden, Canada, or South Korea. Another might be a Republican state dominated by large corporations.
The frightening part is that they may all possess nuclear weapons. The theocracy, at least will not hesitate to use “God’s holy fire” to impose its will upon the others.
I am very happy to live in Brazil.
You know BIN has gone off the deep end when a majority of the stories the whackjobs are posting are Russian propaganda.
What is this about the mentally challenged Texans and other Southerners joining with Mexico? Man, there goes the collective Mexican IQ diving for the bottom.
NO! NADA! NUNCA! Stay together…stay stupid.
Vallarta Mark
“Bohm, an editor for The Moscow Times can be forgiven, as he is a Russian, afterall. But there is not an excuse for any American to be so ignorant.”
Hey, that’s not fair, a lot of Americans went to public school.
Found more spam posted here by “ssarandon”
These make BIN look bad.
The urban centers of America are filled with the people who want to drag us into Marxist hell. Why don’t we allow them to have their filthy cities, their political correctness and their yearning for all things socialist. We can even give them a few thousand acres of country side so they can go for a walk in the woods when they’re feeling “woodsyish”! Then fence them in with their self serving media to stroke their egos and give each metro area a corridor to a seaport that they won’t use much because their belief set is non-productive. The rest of us will live by our original Constitution and flourish. Then if they when they discover how terribly flawed their ideas are we can reintroduce them to freedom after they go through an Ellis Island style immigration process that Introduces them to the American culture, what is expected of them and only if America needs whatever skill they have as well as a sponsor. AND NO ANCHOR BABIES!!!
As many will attest – I’ve been saying it, including in publications and on the radio, for since 1974 – I predicted the break-up of the U.S long ago in a speach. My topic that eveing was “the New Feudal Age In America.” I predicted, too, that it would occur around the turn of the century, and that it would be for all of the reasons we’re now seeing occur daily. Root causes, I said in my speach, would be feminism and liberalism. I quote J.S. Mill: “A nation that dwarfs its men even for beneficial purposes will find that wih small men no great thing can really be accomplished…” etc (the reader would do well to look up and read the entire quote, as well as the book “On Liberty”).
It isn’t hard to be a prognosticator; you do, however, have to be willing to accept facts and forget myths. That’s another of the root reasons the U.S. is a beached whale waiting to die.
You goofy rightwingers
are now listening to Russians? lol 
Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.
The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.
Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.
What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?
How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?
And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?
But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
Nobody is saying that Africa needs diversity.
Nobody is saying that Asia needs diversity.
They are already 100% diverse.
People are only telling white children in white countries that they need diversity.
White Countries will be 100% diverse when there are no white people left.
Diversity is a code-word for white genocide.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.
Timothy Mcveigh was the only U.S. citizen who seriously challenged the U.S. government. The real deal !
You are the only one with a clue here.Half the people are just consumed by fear,the other half are just parrot/shills for SOMEBODY…THE 3RD HALF IS JUST STOOOOPID AND CAN’T ADD THIS UP OR GET MY HUMOR…OOPS CCAPS LOCK,FEELING LAZY
The clue I picked up in school is that when you have halves of something you have 2 parts not 3 parts. Duuuuhhhhh. Now that’s stupid