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Person in Cabin Tried to Escape out the Back When Fire Started. He was “Pushed” Back in
by Scott Creighton
This is a slightly interesting development.
According to Brian Todd of CNN reporting on a statement from Chief Kirk Ellington of the U.S. Marshal Service, the suspect in the cabin that was torched by the cops in San Bernardino, attempted to exit the burning building via the back door and was “pushed” back inside.
Here is the entire CNN transcript from Anderson Cooper’s show which talked about it.
Our Brian Todd is hearing new information about exactly the sequence of events.
Brian, what have you learned?
BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via phone): Anderson, I just spoke with Chief Kirk Ellington of the U.S. Marshal Service. He’s a district chief out in California. He just told me that at one point during the standoff, the suspect tried to escape. He said he tried to escape out the back. I’m not sure exactly where the back is in relation to where — you know, some of the pictures that we were seeing, but he said he tried to escape at the back and was pushed back inside.
Not clear how he was pushed back inside. I asked him when that occurred during the sequence, and he said about the time when the fire started. He also — I asked him about any weapons that he had, what kind of weapons. They’re not sure what kind of weapons that he had in there. It was his understanding at that time when I just spoke to him that there were no hostages in there. But again that’s — that was his understanding at time.
That’s — I don’t think that’s been confirmed yet by anyone at this point. But he did tell me that at one point the suspect tried to escape out the back and was pushed back inside.
COOPER: Kyle Martin, whose mom owns the cabin and still with I think on the phone.
Kyle, when you hear that the suspect attempted to leave through the rear of the cabin, I’m not sure what image you’re looking at right now on television, but — what we’re showing, can you tell me, is that the front of the cabin, the rear of the cabin, what are we seeing?
MARTIN: Right there from what I’m looking — I’m watching CNN. So it looks like that’s the front of the cabin. That looks like directly down as the — the main road right there.
COOPER: And –
MARTIN: The barn — there’s also a barn right to the left of it that’s kind of obscured by the trees.
COOPER: So you’re saying there’s a number of cabins on this property. This is kind of the main cabin of — and there one — they’re rented out? Traditionally.
MARTIN: Yes, just rented out, you know, over the wintertime, people go up there and stay. And that’s another thing, too, is when they said he was trying to escape through the back. You know, if he directly runs up — on the TV anyway — there’s other small cabins in there, you know, he can take refuge in.
COOPER: That was going to be my next question. If he had left through the rear, where — I mean, how big a property is this besides the other cabins on the property? Are there other houses nearby?
MARTIN: On the property there’s — yes, there’s six and there’s about 10 acres of the property itself. Other nearby cabins of other people are a little ways away. You know, like a mile away or so.
COOPER: Right. Kyle, stand by if you can.
Chris Voss, the former FBI hostage negotiator, is also with us.
Chris, I’m just wondering, as you have watched this play out over the last couple of hours, what has been going through your mind? Or what are your thoughts?
CHRIS VOSS, FORMER FBI HOSTAGE NEGOTIATOR: That’s ultimately the indicator whether or not law enforcement has got an opportunity to talk him out. You can’t negotiate a gunfight or a riot. If he takes the time to stop shooting long enough to communicate, then you find out whether or not he loves himself enough to try to survive to carry on his cause.
Just as we’re hearing this, the one thing in a strange sort of way I’m encouraged about the report of him trying to escape out the back, it doesn’t sound like it includes him using — trying to use a human shield. So that tends to indicate more that he might have been alone in the cabin, which, of course, would be very good news. CNN transcripts
What does “pushed’ back inside mean in this context, I don’t know. Was he forced back by gunfire? Seems like they would have just shot him in the back yard, right? Does it mean he was physically forced back into the burning building? How is that possible if this was the 270 pound ex-marine?
It’s an interesting development especially when you consider Dorner stayed across the street from the manhunt headquarters for a week and they just happened to “find’ his wallet next to the charred remains of a body after first finding the wallet in another town last week.
I wonder who they “pushed’ into that burning building.
2013-02-13 13:30:25
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