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What in the World Is God Doing?

Tuesday, June 17, 2014 13:01
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By Gene Lawley


 

Here in America we have a culture that has not been slam-dunked very much in past decades. Not since the Civil War have we fought wars on our own land, and of course, that one was against each other. We seem to have developed a mindset that nothing should go wrong, and America will survive forever and ever. But something seems to be going wrong, nevertheless. Are we collectively thinking, “What is God doing?” (That is, by those who are thinking with any awareness at all.)

 

The sovereignty of God over the entire world is declared by the psalmist in Psalm 62:11, “God has spoken once, twice I have heard this: That power belongs to God.” And further, in Psalm 75:6-8, he tells us that it is God who puts leaders in place to bring judgment upon sinfulness, for He has a purpose to forward His plans and appointed times.

 

As Daniel sought the Lord for answers about Nebuchadnezzar’s dream, he recorded this:

 

“Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, for wisdom and might are His. And He changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and raises up kings; He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding. He reveals deep and secret things; He knows what is in the darkness, and light dwells with Him” (Daniel 2:20-22).

 

God knows the end from the beginning, this is well-established in the Bible and for those who have been paying attention; the facts on the ground—the compelling evidences—are exploding before our eyes. For example, after the weekend of June 7-8, 2014, when Pope Francis had met with the Palestine leader, Abbas and the president of Israel, Peres at the Vatican to pray for peace, and with Utah Senator Mike Lee representing the Mormons, and Joel Osteen, apparently representing Protestants, this headline appeared:

 

“Pope Francis on Frantic Quest to Unite All Religions Under Rome.” [1]

 

Beginning Where It All Started

 

According to Titus 1:2 God had a plan of redemption for mankind in place before time began. So He knew before creation that His highest creation, man, would fall away and need to be rescued from his rebellion against his Creator. It is too much for this finite mind to grasp how One who is eternal and always is, never was, can map out a plan for mankind in blocks of time and arrive at a predicted ending result. But God did it! He knows the end from the beginning, and vice versa.

 

When man rebelled, he took the bait from the devil, hook, line and sinker, as the saying goes. The first two offspring of Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, revealed in their lives a division that permeates mankind to this very day—a lineage of faith and one of works of the flesh. Cain murdered Abel! Later on one of God’s spokesmen would write down the core method of His overall plan: “The just shall live by his faith” (Habakkuk 2:4).

But the principle of faith ruled in the relationship from the very beginning.

In succeeding segments of time various effects of man’s rebellion were dealt with, including the judgments of Noah’s flood and later, the Tower of Babel and the confusion of tongues that scattered mankind into all the world. Hidden in the details of those and other interchanges between man and God were foreshadows of things to come. In all of these periods of time God miraculously held together and maintained that thread line of faith from Adam to his son, Seth, who replaced Abel, and following to succeeding generations.

 

At this point, Stephen’s message to the religious leaders after the resurrection of Jesus gives us a concise summary from the calling forth of Abraham up to that time in Jewish history. Look it up in Acts 6:8 to 7:60. Here you will see the struggles of the Hebrew nation, the promise of a coming prophet like Moses and their rejection of Him when He did not come as a conquering sovereign who would free them from bondage to Rome. Or, was it because He exposed their self-righteous sinfulness?

 

When Moses was given the law on Mount Sinai and later, as recorded in Leviticus 23, God gave him instructions for seven annual festivals that were to be celebrated on specific days every year. It was a package deal and marked the Hebrew calendar for all years following that time. The feasts started with the Passover celebration, which was strong in their memory, having been the final straw that broke the hold over the Hebrews by the Egyptian Pharaoh. But this festival also pointed to a future Passover that would fulfill the foreshadowing promise in the feast.

 

That first feast was fulfilled when Jesus died on the cross, and two immediately afterward were the Feast of Unleavened Bread and the Feast of First Fruits. As Jesus was in the grave for three days and nights, then rose again, bodily, He also fulfilled those two portraying festivals. Fifty days later the Feast of Pentecost was celebrated and the promise of the Holy Spirit to indwell believers was fulfilled. These four of the seven feasts had been fulfilled, and Stephen was among that first wave of believers who then “turned the world upside down!”

 

The disciples had gathered around Jesus just before He ascended to heaven and asked Him if He was going to restore the kingdom to Israel at that time. Jesus indicated that that was for another time and season and directed them to another purpose, that of being witnesses to Him throughout the whole world. Thus began the project that James describes in Acts 15:14 as a time when God would “take out of the Gentiles a people for His name.” Paul later declares, in Romans 11:25, that this period of time would continue until “the fullness of the Gentiles has come in,” and Israel would be blinded in part to the promises of the gospel until that “fullness” was accomplished. These subsequent centuries, then, have seen the carrying out of that commission of Acts 1:8.

 

Luke records in his gospel account these words of Jesus: “And they [of Israel] will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled” (Luke 21:24). He sums up the scattering of all Jews from their land after the destruction of Jerusalem and their temple in 70 A.D. and their final uprising and defeat in 136 A.D. In the words of the prophets God had told them this would happen and that in the latter days He would restore them to their land (Ezekiel 36).

 

Jesus told the disciples a parable of the fig tree:

 

“Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place” (Luke 21:29-32).

 

It is broadly recognized that Jesus is referring to Israel as the fig tree, and its budding with new life as pointing to Israel’s restoration as a nation among the nations. Israel was recognized as a sovereign nation by the United Nations on May 14, 1948. In the passage above we can see that this “budding of the fig tree” means that God’s time for the completion of the “times of the Gentiles” is nearing its end. Jesus says that the generation alive at the time of the budding will see all things that are to come to pass until Jesus returns again. The budding of “other trees” in that parable could be referring to the growing formation of the one world government.

 

If you could squeeze the centuries since the crucifixion into the layout of one Jewish calendar year with its marked feast days, you would see the first sixty days, generally, covering the times of the first four feasts, then a lengthy period of time that matches that period of time that some call the age of grace, the time when God is taking out of the Gentiles a people for His name. Then you would see that the summer months having neared their end and the final harvest days are approaching. You would also see the final three feasts marked on the calendar and note that their fulfillments have not happened yet, but this generation has not ended. Jesus said “when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near” (Luke 21:31).

 

God’s Parallel Purposes

 

read more at Rapture Ready:

 

http://www.raptureready.com/soap2/lawley48.html

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  • I’m pretty sure by now that most if not all people, religious or otherwise, deep down know that no God would give this beautiful blue planet, to a species like ours.

    This only serves the logic that a God cannot and does not exist as men see it.

    Whilst warring factions of opposing and sometimes similar religious beliefs, tear this world apart through violence and greed, ultimately to prove who has the most peacefull and righteous God, there can never exist a force of pure love.

    What ‘God’ is doing is the same as hesheitnothing has done for ever.

    Making someone that isn’t you, very very rich. Whilst the poor starve and wallow in an ill educated hand to mouth existence.

    The very idea of a God is simply an indoctrinated control system mainly dispensed to children on a wave of cognitive dissonance and fear. Programmed by similarly disillusioned adults not brave enough to accept their humanity, swallow their pride and start building a better world.

    And we all know there’s fat chance of that happening of the morons are all fighting over whose fairytale is most fantastically accurate.

    Lol.

    • HumanBeing

      Capt. Solar,

      God created this beautiful blue planet for us specifically. But without the freedom to choose whether to accept or reject God, to love or hate God, people would be robots and thus incapable of true love.

      The choice mankind has made is not God’s fault.

      But God did not leave us to our choices forever, slaves to evil and misery. He himself came as one of us to pay the ultimate price and redeem us… but not by force. Love must be freely given, so each of us must choose personally whether to accept or reject God on his terms, to escape forever a world of woe.

      So God does indeed exist… not as some esoteric concept or impersonal force, but as the Creator and Author of everything good. Far from “an indoctrinated control system”, which is a charge that could be made against every other belief including atheism, this is quite reaonable and rational. No one is less prone to “programming”, such that anyone pointing fingers at others is just as programmed.

      To say also that anyone who doesn’t see things your way must be morons is proof enough that you are as programmed as anyone else.

      Lol indeed.

      • Truth in Reporting

        John Rolls asks, “What in the world is god doing?

        Answer: NOT A god-damn THING, JOHN!
        NOT A god-DAMN THING!

        Ask away, search away, kill each other all day, that sums up you FREAKS looking for your MONSTER-god!!!!!!! :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz:
        MONSTER-god “worshipers!! :evil: :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
        LUNATICS ALL! :wink: :wink: :wink:
        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
        :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

      • Greg

        You are a real Hero Chris.

        We should all be grateful you are on our side.

      • President Washington

        Hello greg,
        Your President here!
        How are you?
        I am new to BIN, and have been reading many of the fine posts here.
        Real food for thought.

        New or not, greg, I want you to realize that Truth In Reporting is NOT on “your” side.

        What is “Your” side, anyway, greg, the hairy hole, blesser????? :?: :?: :?: :?:

        Are you a Spiritual Terrorist?
        :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

      • Truth in Reporting

        I am sorry to report that Greg, real name Jed, from NJ, AKA Beef Supreme

        HAS BEEN BANNED FOR LIFE FROM BIN, AGAIN!!!!!!!
        :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
        No more avatar picture means Greg’s account has been blocked…………………………..AGAIN!
        :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:
        Jed, from NJ, is as multiple BIN BLOCKED offender and is wanted for assault in his home state of NJ!
        :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

      • HumanBeing

        If people like Lies in Reporting, Pox, the king of sham, and all the Chicken Littles are the kind of people BIN prefers, then I’ll gladly join the “banned” elsewhere. The trolls have turned this place into an outhouse and the air is unbreathable. You all can have a nice time swimming in the sewage without being upset by civilized people. Good riddance to the lot of you, and don’t hurt yourselves dancing on our graves.

      • Truth in Reporting

        Oh, god, your killing me with LAUGHTER, humanflotsam, aka beef supreme, really jed, from NJ)!
        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

        I mean do NOT let the door hit you on the arse ON YOUR WAY OUT!
        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
        Mindless, deadly “Defenders of the Fable” DO NEED TO LEAVE BIN!!!

        Good riddance, cris0SCUMS, like humanflotsam, greg, and beef supreme! Take iamanasshole123 and hereami-iamadochebag!!!!!!!
        With you, there, humanflotsam!
        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
        Go to the “anointed” chris0CREEP ‘chat room”!!!!!!
        GOOD IDEA!

        These cristo-LOONS here on BIN really are such ‘fractured” personalities!
        Their different “psychic parts’ are just NOT connected!
        It is that relentless “Brain-washing-from-birth” that causes the “christo-LOON’S” fractured” personalities, as a group!
        Their intelligence, as a group, is very low.
        And, when you disagree with one of them, they actually do get VIOLENT, which is what makes them SO DANGEROUS!
        :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz:

    • In a way you’re right, and in a way you’re a moron. God doesn’t exist in the way that religions say He does. He does exist the way the scriptures say He does. All religions mislead the Earth along with Satan, who is now ruling the Earth, and will do so until Armageddon is over. Then Jesus rules for 1000 years of judgement day, and then God Almighty rules forever and ever.

  • A typical hypocrite christian response, now let’s here from a Jew, a Muslim, a Sikh, a Buddhist and perhaps the other 2496 other recognized religions who all have a different version and different set of rules from God. And of whom a portion would happily slit your throat for your beliefs.

    I would not slit your throat for your belief, I am above that. I am also above supporting those who claim to fight “with God on our side”.

    It really is pathetic to witness a fellow human so devoid of freethinking and so happy to accept the lies of others, over blatant logic. If you’re not a moron fighting for your version of God, you are enforcing it from your armchair.

    And you call men without a God ‘robots’??!!

    The words pot kettle and black spring to mind, or simply put. Hypocrite!

    • HumanBeing

      Wow, Solar, the “pot meet kettle” saying just flies right over your head. I gave a rational and irenic response to you, and now you come back with this anti-theist rage and then try to pretend I’m the one with the problem. You are behaving like all the worst religious zealots. And BTW, I wouldn’t slit anyone’s throat either… or click on threads that are clearly not my interest.

      You also are burning a straw man by saying I said anything close to “men without God are robots”. What a complete failure to comprehend! You just make things up as you go along, I guess. Now THAT’s pathetic. And you call yourself by the non-word “freethinking”, as if only people who agree with you are able to think freely. What a joke.

      Hypocrite!

    • HumanBeing

      Seriously, what is it with atheists and their obsession with religious topics? Can’t they help themselves, or think “freely” enough to turn away from threads about religion? And the hypocrisy they show… wow. If that’s “free thinking” (two words, not one), then I guess you get what you pay for. :mrgreen:

      • Pix

        Human Being

        Seriously, what is it with Christians and their obsession with peeing all over the spirituality section with their diseased perverted fear porn?

      • M

        from above: “Seriously, what is it with atheists and their obsession with religious topics?”

        Ha Ha … excellent point.

        I suppose it’s like someone who is restricted from eating a certain food. What happens then is that person is obsessed by it, and can’t think of anything else.

        Or if ever noticed when a person hates someone, if that person steps into the room, the hater cannot keep their eyes off of them. Another form of obsession.

      • HumanBeing

        True, M. Human nature, I suppose. But I like how one rare, actually rational atheist put it elsewhere:

        ————————————–

        I hate model trains… I’ve seen grown men spend fortunes building and collecting model trains… I think having model trains as a hobby is about the dumbset thing a person could ever endeavor to do…

        I do not however want to form a club, and meet other like minded people so we can all collectively complain about model trains. I don’t want to read books about how stupid model trains are. I don’t want to sue museums because they have a model train display that might offend me. I don’t want to protest the model train builders convention.

        I simply avoid model trains and am better for it.

        Having been a Christian, Atheist and Agnostic… I am certain that REAL ATHEISTS don’t give a flying fish what other people are doing.

        ————————————–

        Sadly, there are no real atheists here. Just the hypocritical kind that project their own faults on everyone else, with a generous helping of logical fallacies.

      • Pix

        “M
        from above: “Seriously, what is it with atheists and their obsession with religious topics?”

        Ha Ha … excellent point.

        Ha ha indeed, this is the Spirituality section, not the obsessed with religious topics section. You don’t need to be religious or believe in magic beings to be a spiritual person. The religious think spirituality is all about themselves, they are rude, arrogant and history has proven them to be absolute blood thirsty maniacs.

        :wink:

    • The greatness of western civilization itself is testament to the folly and foolishness of atheism. Where are the atheists in the history of western civilization? Let’s have a look :eek: shall we?

      Who are the great leaders in western and world history, starting with the single greatest influence in the history of mankind, bar none, and that is the man from Galilee whose birthday we celebrate in the west every December, the one western civilization divides its timeline by, as in B.C. + A.D., I think you know whom I’m talking about, the Babe born in the manger because there was no room at the inn! Any atheist there? Nope! :wink:

      Ok, how about Moses then, who brought down from the mountain the very commandments of God, any atheist there? Nope! :wink:

      Ok, so far atheists are 0-2. So let’s move on to the rest of the richness and greatness of western civilization. Look at all the great artists in history, those who have created masterpieces, artists such as Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Rembrandt, etc. is there an atheist on that list? Nope!

      Now what was the inspiration of these masterpiece painters I just listed? God and the Holy Bible of course. But in the camp of atheist artists, is there great inspiration in that camp? Nope! Their inspirations are base, earthly things. So “art” from atheists consists of things like homosexual erotica, a crucifix in a jar of urine, dung on a painting, etc. And with the darkened minds in our society today, people are unable to distinguish between true art and crap. A hundred years ago, if an “artist” brought a literal bucket of crap into an art gallery and tried to pass it off as art, they would have rightly kicked him out and said “that’s not art, that’s a bucket of crap!”. But today, I’m sure a modern atheist “artist” could pass off a bucket of crap as art by inserting a cross in it and there would be other atheists trying to pass the guy off as a genius.

      Look at the truly great literature in western history, the works of Dante, Milton, Shakespeare, etc., is there an atheist in that list? Nope! In ALL the arts (writing, painting, music, etc.), are there any truly great, uplifting works from atheists in any of these? Nope!

      It is as the classical composer Brahms said about atheists: no atheist has ever been or ever will be a great composer.

      Now why is that? Why can’t the atheist camp produce great works of art in literature, music, painting, etc.?

      HERE IS WHY ATHEISTS CAN’T PRODUCE UPLIFTING WORKS OF ART:

      The atheist cannot produce uplifting works because of his beliefs. That is, because art reflects the inspiration of the artist, any inspiration emanating from an atheist artist can only reflect base, coarse, earthly things and not uplifting, heavenly things. Therefore, instead of uplifting and inspiring, atheists can only degrade and debase. Such is the folly and foolishness of atheism.

      Besides being absent from the categories of great leaders in world history and great art through the ages, atheism is absent in the rest of the greatness of western civilization as well. Look for example at all the great architecture in history, the historic cathedrals and such, were any of them designed by atheists? Nope!

      Look at the founders of the Ivy League colleges in America, were any of them atheists? Guess what? Nope!

      And have a look at all the hospitals and benevolent organizations in history and once again, atheists come up pitifully and pathetically short. But that is no mystery. For look at what a darkened mind it was that came up with the theory on the origin of species which brought science into its dark ages. For in such a darkened mind, one devoid of God, there is none of that uplifting and noble stuff like Jesus taught us about caring for the least among us. Instead, the theory of evolution was spawned in a darkened mind that harbored and elevated inhumanity over love and goodness. For not only was Darwin someone who considered blacks less evolved than whites and closer to apes, but in stark contrast to the teachings of Jesus, love for the least among us was not altruistic behavior to be pursued according to Darwin. Consider the following quote from Darwin:

      “With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.”
      —Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man

      Quite the noble philosophy, eh? Is it any wonder there are no benevolent organizations or hospitals founded by atheists? And that’s not to mention that wonder philosophy of eugenics, which contains parts and parcels of the theory of evolution.

      The lesson learned here is all the movers and shakers of western civilization (Jesus, Moses, etc.), the cream of the artistic crop in western civilization (Shakespeare, Michelangelo, Beethoven, Shakespeare, da Vinci, Rembrandt, Milton, etc.), and the great leaders of American history (George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, etc.), were all inspired by and believers of the Bible and their inspiration came from above.

      The evidence is overwhelming to say the least that western history itself is testament to the folly and foolishness of atheism. It is no wonder that one of the greatest scientists in history, Sir Isaac Newton, called atheism senseless and odious.

      • HumanBeing

        Excellent work, am123. As the saying goes, “The devil’s in the details”. Ugly facts and embarrassing data are the death of atheist claims to advancement, superiority, and even logic. They do everything they hate about theists: they have priests in white lab coats, holy writings that are not to be disbelieved, ideas they consider dangerous, heretics who dare to allow data harmful to their dogma to be expressed, excommunication of said heretics, attempts to use law to force their beliefs down everyone’s throats, bullying and mockery of infidels, and everything else that they think is only for the “un-free thinkers”.

        Taken to its logical conclusion, atheists should be the most immoral, ruthless, cold, and destructive members of society. But like the theists they despise, they rarely live consistently with their stated unbelief. There is no survival advantage in showing compassion for others, especially if they do not contribute to the collective (e.g. the crippled or sick, who according to natural selection should just die for the sake of the gene pool). True, pure atheism should only be self-absorbed and only concerned with survival and reproduction. What can atheism possibly offer to justify concern for the environment? After all, since there is no basis for morality, who cares whether the world survives beyond the individual’s lifespan? Who cares whether the human race continues?

        Any way you slice it, it’s just another religious dogma. http://www.fether.net/index.php?page=refuting-atheism-a-quick-reference/

      • Thanks HumanBeing. Atheism is indeed a pox on society and pure folly.

      • Truth in Reporting

        No, No, No!!!!!
        You christo-LOONS ARE A CANCER TUMOR ON society, that must be CUT OUT OF THE BODY, iamanasshole123!

        We Heretics will make it un-profitable for you to “be” “christian” in the future by eliminating your PRIME “wealth builder’ your kind’s “precious” tax exemption coded 501 (c) 3 non-profit!

        “NON-PROFIT’!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You very deadly christo-LOONS ARE HOARDERS SUPREME!
        :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
        Get ready to “Lose” it, as well as your grandiose “self-importance’ to future existence on this planet.
        :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
        You members of judeo-chrisSCUMDUMB, am123, and “mush mouth” humanflotsam, will be known in the history books as “those that believed, and defended TO THE DEATH, a “god” that had a “Dick”!

        BYE BYE, you “Defenders of the Fable”!
        :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • I wonder if the significance of you choosing a voiceless minion that serves a fantasy fictional villain to represent your identity, would be wasted on you if pointed out in this particular exchange. (In which I am actually whipping you if you hadn’t noticed).

    Is taht freehtniknig enough for you or do I need to use superlative spelling and grammar for my salient point?

    As mine says, I don’t want you to think like me, I just want you to think.

    In your case it may be too late, as it appears all of your thinking has been done for you and you seem to be stuck on repeat, akin to most of your fellow fantasists when challenged by an actual adult. Apart from doing a complete u turn about homosexuality and the Church, what positive steps have been undertaken by christianity as a whole to further the development of mankind? Ill give you a clue……..

    Absolutely nothing.

    What has it done to halt the development of mankind?

    Everything its evil, selfish, predatory leaders over the past 1500 years can.

    But of course they are nothing to do with you, you just believe their story But refuse to refute their psychopathic behavior. I think that’s the very definition Of hypocris

    • HumanBeing

      “(In which I am actually whipping you if you hadn’t noticed”

      LOL!! :mrgreen:

    • When would you meet God (if he existed)?

      When you die.

      So why not die now?

      Then you can storm Heaven like Lucifer has wanted to do since being cast out of it for rebelling against God and refusing, in disgust, to serve material creation.

      If you, unlike Lucifer, fear God and have no wish to destroy and scorn his creation in proud disgust and cause a storming of heaven then you ARE fighting on the side of God. :twisted:

      • When you die, you are DEAD. Nothing survives death. When you die, your thoughts do perish. The soul (life) that sinneth, it itself will die. These are all in scriptures. So there is NO immortal soul, and you can’t meet anyone when you die except worms. Secondly, the scriptures state “no man has seen God and lived”. Thirdly, only 144,000 will EVER go to heaven. The rest are to be resurrected and judged, in a paradise Earth. After that first thousand years after Armageddon, the resurrections will be completed. During that 1000 years, the Earth will be transformed, slowly, into that paradise that was originally found in Eden. And fourth, yes, God (Jehovah) DOES exist. If you don’t believe it, look in the mirror. See anything? Well, God created you, and the mirror, and the house the mirror is in, and the Earth, and the universe, and EVERYTHING. So, if God didn’t exist, how are you reading this?

      • Mikesavage

        Christians are not bound by scriptures. They are more like comparison pieces.

        And how would you know what happens when people die?

        And I never said anything about God not creating things so that bit of your post is pointless.

        Heaven on earth is just a parable. It comes from the idea of God being pushed away from earth by those that would have built the tower of Babel in order to storm heaven. When the storming of heaven and destruction of creation (like Lucifer would do) stops then, as the parable would have it, an unchased away heaven on earth will return.

      • Truth in Reporting

        Ignore the Lunatic “ranting and raving” of religious “believer” crackpot, mikesavage!
        For mike is nothing but a brain-washed-from-birth, VIOLENT ameroTURD chris0CREEP, who needs to be locked up in a FEMA Camp for my protection!

        Ahhhhhhhhhhh………LUNATIC mikesavage,
        THERE IS NO god that would take credit for creating this universe!
        Earth IS HEAVEN WHEN YOU KNOW the TRUTH!
        It IS HELL when you do not know (like you know what you had for breakfast this morning).
        NO WHITE-SKINNED MAN comes to save you because YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE SAVED FROM ANYTHING!
        Intelligent LIFE (many, countless gods) creates the Universe and its circumstances, and ALL LIFE FORMS PRESENT in it, not the other way around.
        There is NOT one god, but “gods” beyond counting!
        Every single energy force that is SELF-AWARE is a “god” here, in this universe!
        YOU HAVE ALL BEEN duped for your entire lives.
        THERE IS NO “ONE”, NO “one god” that “made everything!
        All knowledge is NOT known.
        YOU DO NOT EXIST AT ALL in this universe.
        You “project” here from YOUR ETERNAL HOME!
        I DO NOT have to LOOK UP ANYTHING IN A BOOK!
        I ACTUALLY HAVE A MEMORY!
        I DO NOT HAVE TO “believe” anything!
        Because I have a real memory of where I have been, where I am now, and where I WILL BE!
        UNLIKE ALMOST ALL OF YOU, who must refer to a “Book” as solace as to “where you are going” after you vacate YOUR temporary “MEAT-WRAPPER” IN THIS HELL!
        I do NOT have to “believe” anything.
        Here is the truth.
        You should be able to remember, also, if you can undo the “brain-washing” from birth and further “mental conditioning”.
        Here is another “life philosophy” for you all to consider, with a different twist. I am SOOOOOOOOOOO sick of reading the prevailing notion that ONE entity created all in this physical universe, and that ALL return to the “One”, the truly communist-type of god! NO individual “personalities” will exist after the body dies in the minds of the crackpots, demons, BOOK “pushers” (market-teers) and religious lunatics (Save me, save me, oh, one!) who dominate the conversation on BIN! They use name calling (get behind me satan) or even use censorship and simply eliminate anything else other than the usual whine of “Save me”! “Unite me with the “One”! Whether “Old biblical babble” or “new age crap”, it is all the same, pathetic whine about the End of Time!
        So, consider this:
        No god would ever take credit for creating this universe.
        It just exists, as we do.
        All is not known.
        Only your lunatic asylum on planet hell (earth) has ever ‘conjured up’ this god stuff.
        Why does your god demand your prayers?
        Why do you think that ‘something’ would ‘take credit, for say, a tidal wave that kills over 250,000 on 3 continents and numerous islands?
        You think there was some ‘divine planning’ in that that any rational, thinking entity would ‘take credit for”?
        Why did your god jesus sit next to a demon, evil incarnate, and listen to a sales pitch?
        Why did your god jesus let that pure evil walk away to continue to torment you?
        And, you worship this insane, demonic personality?
        Nothing does exist here.
        Nothing touches at any level of ‘perception’ HERE (solid, liquid, gas, molecular level, sub atomic level- particles that orbit one another and never touch).
        That is the way HERE is designed.
        You see, all of you have a memory problem.
        A big memory problem that causes all of your problems HERE. You have all forgotten the purpose of HERE and why HERE was created.
        You are solid energy that vibrates, or resonates, at a specific frequency, forever.
        That individual frequency is how you are recognized by others like you.
        And, who cares if this whole planet does not exist in the future?
        The whole ‘universe’, for that matter.
        You see, like there are athletes among you that can achieve and perform ‘feats’ that you never will (like, “Big Wave” surfing, or “Extreme Downhill Skiing”), there ARE others among you that have memories that extend, very accurately, well beyond this one, very hellish-like, lifetime.
        Because, my fellow immortal beings, you have ‘been robbed’ of your ‘eternal existence’ memories.
        You wander, trapped on this hellish planet earth, ‘generation after generation, recycling, over & over again.
        Trapped,
        Stripped of memory.
        Born again as ‘human’ on PLANET HELL, earth.
        I know what this world is really all about!
        I am in hell, right now!
        I remember what and who I really am!
        A sentential being that has existed for trillions of years.
        I exist all the time not on this planet, but, in “my home”, that is ‘not of this world”, untouched by all of this.
        Time does not exist where I live all of the time.
        Distance does not exist.
        I think, and it takes form and substance…………………………………. here
        anything I think!
        HERE, in this physical universe!
        Made for my amusement!
        This is an amusement park for us, the immortal beings!
        A “body” is no more than a “temporary meat-wrapper” that we “ride” in! like getting into the “ride car” that brings you around the track at “magic mountain”. when the ride is over, you get out of the vehicle that transported you over the track.
        We are ALL designed to go “at will” from “body to body”.
        We have lost that ability, and now are all ‘trapped on the ride’, and we cannot get off!
        We are here to experience sex, food, smell, violence, both giving it & receiving it;
        all the things that do not exist when you exist as
        Pure energy forever,
        Energy that is indestructible,
        That cannot die,
        That can not be destroyed,
        That cannot experience pain
        OR BE HARMED IN ANY WAY!
        But, you can be trapped, ‘imprisoned’, and have your memory “wiped clean’ after every “lifetime”.
        You poor, lost, immortal beings!
        YOU do not remember a thing!
        So, when you “die” you all “go to the light”!
        You cannot help yourselves, images of your dead friends, family, are pulled right out of your “fresh memories” and projected to “lead you to the light, to love, to god”?
        And that is your mistake!
        Cause you get zapped, like a moth hitting the ‘bug zapper’ screen, your memory is “wiped clean’ and you are born back in a body, trapped with no memory for another rather hellish lifetime of pain, rape, war, starvation, tidal waves, violence, child-birth, and death…again! And again……And again. Death experienced over and over and over again!
        “Help me “one”!
        I am trapped on the ride, and I cannot get off!
        Help me “one”!”
        Whether you know it or not, that is where 99.99% of you are ‘at’ right now, HERE!
        Unless, you do not go to the light!
        See why I do not care?
        About any of you HU-mans?
        You cannot die.
        The worse that happens is you are born, here in hell on earth, in a meat-wrapper of some type, again!
        ‘Memory strip’– completed — again.
        Period!
        Good luck trying to escape this “Designed Terror World” for immortal beings who “Just cannot remember” literally who they are!
        It’s that earthy ‘religious conditioning’ that “sets you up for the psy-op job” at the moment of death! (Save me, oh, one, save me!)
        Your religious leader monsters know all this!
        They are your “prison guards”, and are afforded “special privileges”, torturing your ‘brain washed from birth’ kind!
        No “One” will come to save you, because YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE SAVED FROM ANYTHING.
        NOW, GO, ALL OF YOU, AND “REMEMBER” your eternal existence memories for yourselves!

      • Greg

        Can you imagine what kind of shape a man would have to be in mentally and physically to see
        “a meat wrapper” as representing the human form in all it’s grace?

        http://tastyislandhawaii.com/images10/grindzoftheday/uj_smoked_meat_wrapper.jpg

        Dare to dream Chris….

        Dare to dream

      • Truth in Reporting

        Can you imagine the brain-washed nature of a christo-KILLER who, conveniently forgets about ALL THE HAVOC and death, and pain, and suffering, this LUNATIC, greg’s “chrisSCUMdumbs have committed over 1,600 years over THE NATURE OF “believing’ that “god” is a white-skinned male human (with a dick)!

        And, once that is FORCED DOWN YOUR THROAT, these christo-creeps, like “greg” (hi beefy boy, the dumb as crap goy toy) sweep in with their “society” to literally sexually assault your children, and rape you economically!

        Remember the deadly, hoarding chris0creeps, like greg, the Beefy boy, will “show you book of babble” proof, that you need to give greg 10% of your GROSS earnings!

        SO IT IS WRITTEN! :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
        The Tithe

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

        What a “strong-arm” Protection Racket, these christo-THUGS are!!!!!!

        Hey, greg, I can understand why you “thrash around in your death grip” so much, spewing pure, unadulterated personal innuendo towards the target that TRUTHS YOU OUT, you Leeching Demonic MONSTER, who ‘worships” a MONSTER-TERRORIST very odd “god”, with a dick, who itself, is a “dick tator”, like a communist!!

        Your way of Life, your very lively hood itself, is “shrinking”, the collection plate is thin with coins!
        The believers are not coming anymore, greg, the beef supreme!

        You are dying! :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
        You will have to work for a living for the first time in your life. :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
        You ARE scared, and act that way in your writing and “multiple personalities” on BIN, with days, like Nick Flem, Hairy greg, the ‘blesser”, “mush mouth” humanflotsam, crow pie, ignorant cheisocreep-us, and so many more, oh supreme pervert of beef!!!!!!!

        Greg, you are a bore. Go away!
        Demonic jew zionist criminal named greg, the beefy boy!

        :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Damn slip of me finger there, that should have ended with a ‘y’

    I would also like to point out the statement ‘its not gods fault’

    that is the most priceless cop out I have ever heard. Ever, and coupled with the picture of you as a minion will keep me chuckling for hours, maybe days.

    It all fits so nicely together, thanks.

  • crucified? Or would that have made you cross ?

    They promised you heaven so they can steal this life.

    Please learn to think for yourself. Not willingly and blindly follow others to a mental imbalance which if diagnosed would lead to only one conclusion.

    When you you a child and believed in Santa Claus, your fragile undeveloped mind was suddenly hit with the reality that you had been lied too, not being old enough to question your peers and show any emotion towards this, you were also then activley encouraged to perpetuate the lie to those around you who were younger or who had not yet found out the truth. If your parents, grandpatents and school then continued to promote God and Jesus to you, your critical thinking ability was destroyed in this process and tour still fragile and undeveloped mind was programmed into a doctrinated control system based upon fear.

    Luckily for me, my family allowed me to research and draw my own conclusions about a God and organized religion. This is what sets us apart.

    We are both human but you are slightly damaged. It doesn’t suit your needs, just those who wish to control you and others like you.

    For us non theists as you call us, this is single block to an evolutionary shift towards a mutual understanding and love between all races of man.

    As long as the brainwashing continues, wars will be fought, people will die, all in the name of their respective Gods. Science will be ignored, school curriculums held back by centuries, new ideas hidden from public eyes should they remove the profiteering of religion.

    I have no business with you, or any negative feeling towards you personally, you are to me, simply another programmed spanner in the works of human advancement. I hope many of your mindset read my comments here today. I am not normally so keen to labour a point but when my species is at risk, I have every right and desire to fight its corner.

    • “They promised you heaven so they can steal this life.”

      You are thinking like a cultural marxist fundie. Only literalist retards would fall for that kind of crap and only literalist retards will keep falling for that kind of crap so only literalist retards think that that kind of crap is any kind of argument at all to their ‘new faith’ (whatever the hell kind of ratcheted up fundamentalism it is this month).

  • The word rapture does not appear in the scriptures, unless you are using a faulty translation, like King James, ASV, Douhay-Rheims and other products of Constantine in 325 A.D.

    Jehovah God is not at present ruling Earth, Satan is, until the final battle of God Almighty, Armageddon.

    • HumanBeing

      :sigh: Not this lame “argument” again…

      You know the NT was written in Greek, right? So NO English or Latin words appear in the earliest ms. Which translated or transliterated words get used as handy labels has nothing to do with trying to find a Latin word with a later-acquired English useage in a Greek text.

      So while you won’t find any Latin or English words in the Greek text, you WILL find words that mean “to snatch away” and “to depart”. And when such words were translated into Latin, one of them came out as “rapio”, from which we get words like “raptor”… to snatch.

      So PLEASE, don’t use that lame “I can’t find a Latin word in my English Bible!” nonsense. It only makes you look more ignorant.

      But you’re a JW, so rest assured I’m typing this for the benefit of lurkers.

    • Pix

      The word rapture does appear in the scriptures, but it mean an internal high, ecstasy. Not as per the dumb hill billy hick interpretation of literally being floated up into the sky.

      :wink: :lol:

    • Pix

      Don’t mind HumanBeing, he’s just a rabid troll when it comes to his obsession of peeing all over the spirituality section. There’s a gang of them seem to think spirituality has something to do with their fear porn mongering death cult.

    • mike savage,

      the JW come to my door every so often and when I question them, they are just brain washed – they are not knowledgeable.

      They think they have THE magic word, and it is such a shame, our Savior came to earth to reveal the FATHER to us not special words we can’t even pronounce.

      If you will open Strong’s Concordance and look at the word Father and how many time it was used by our Savior, a person with a logical mind will know our Savior does not believe in Hebrew, or what ever language, magic names.

      There is a reason Christ told His Disciples to pray to OUR FATHER — did He once say we needed to know a magic name we can not even pronounce — NO!

      Jesus Christ revealed a very special relationship we as humans can have with our Father in Heaven, When I pray to MY FATHER I see Him in my minds eye as such — a loving Father that is going to bring me into His Spirit Family for eternity as HIS SON.

      Do you have any idea of the multitude of special names that are used on this site and all think they have the magic name, when all we need is —–FATHER.

      If you have a son — what does he call you? —-”jkopwnis”, that is kind of sweet right? And the meaning???

  • He is letting you exercise your free will. I’m so tired of people blaming God for human decisions. If people actually lived by the law, none of this would be happening. People have turned their backs on God.

    • Pix

      “He is letting you exercise your free will”

      So your deity is not all knowing then, make your mind up.

      All knowing + free will = oxymoron, they are opposing absolutes. If the future was known for a fact, we would have predestination, not free will.

      :wink:

  • Pix

    You think God is doing it?… it couldn’t possible be corrupt greedy humans then, and sponsored by your consent?

    Never mind, keep blindly obeying your lord and master, keep paying your taxes like good little slaves of the sate, and don’t mind the rabble rousing in times of war (all the time) so you can earn your lord and master vast amounts of profit at your expense. Baaaaaa!

    :lol:

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