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The Rapture and Transhumanism by Chuck Missler and Mike Hoggard (Video) Gotta See THIS!

Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:42
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The Rapture and Transhumanism by Chuck Missler and Mike Hoggard

 

 

Oct 18 2014

 

 

How do these two topics fit together? Check this out! Two fantastic men of God getting the facts straight and exploring prophetic events. A true “must see”!

 

 

Are you prepared?

 

 

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  • Emery

    The idea of a rapture is a teaching originating with Satan, who introduced and influences ALL religion on Earth. Transhumanism is wishful thinking on the part of transhumanists. To think one can improve upon a creation of God is arrogant, narcicistic, and a sure fire recipe for condemnation to death by God. The rapture teaching will get you just as dead. To think that all religionists are part of the 144,000 is just insanity. How can billions fit into the number 144,000? How can all these religionists think that they’re annointed with holy spirit? Especially when you consider that Jesus said that all churches and religions are FALSE, and that they will all be totally and permanently destroyed in the final battle. The thinking of a lot of people is just the opposite of thinking. It’s being moronic and brain dead, and taking the thoughts and words of others as your own, with no independent self confirmation of the information.

    • HumanBeing

      Matthew 12:31 “And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.”

      Matthew 7:2 “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

      You people who SLANDER and JUDGE and HATE everyone who sees the pre-trib rapture in scripture are judging yourselves as slanderers of people who belong to Jesus and have the Holy Spirit. Who do you think you are? God? Yes, you do, by your words and attitude. Repent of your hatred and blasphemy while there is still time!

      http://www.fether.net/index.php?page=refuting-slander-against-the-pre-trib-rapture/

      • Emery

        Well HB;
        I have not slandered anyone at any time. For you to claim that you have holy spirit is a very dangerous thing. If you’re part of any religion, believe me when I tell you, you do not have holy spirit helping you. God only uses holy spirit to help people to discern the meaning of the scriptures IF, upon searching your heart God sees an HONEST heart, and one who truly wants to draw close to God. Rellgion prevents that honest heart. Religion prevents one from having ACCURATE knowledge of God. Since the definition of religion is the teaching of things about God, that differ IN ANY WAY from what God teaches about Himself. Satan introduced religion to Earth in the Garden in Eden. Are you claiming that Satan introduced GOOD things to Earth? He most certainly did not. All religion ever since that incident in the garden with Eve has worked to teach their own things. They teach other than what God teaches about Himself. Jesus said all religion is FALSE. In Galations it states that all sects/divisions/demoninations/dissentions are works of the flesh.

        What I have stated about the non-existent rapture doctrine is scriptural in nature. No such doctrine comes from God and is not supported in the scriptures. You would have to interpret scripture, and guess at it’s meaning, and misunderstand it’s meaning, to be able to rationalize that certain scriptures support a rapture. No scripture does support it. This is not slander, it is not judging, and it is not hating at all. It is scriptural counsel. Are you again stating that the scriptures that require us to counsel those that err are also wrong and invalid? If a rapture did exist, it would mean that thousands of scriptures are actually wrong, that God lied. God CANNOT lie. God WILL NOT lie. There are absolutely no contradictions in the scriptures. There are absolutely no mysteries in the scriptures. There is only Satan who hides the meaning of the scriptures from those without an honest heart. The only remedy for Satan’s misleadings is for God to use holy spirit to GIVE you discernment of the accurate meaning of scriptures. Guessing, interpreting (God said interpretation belongs ONLY to Him with respect to the scriptures) and taking other’s word for the meanings of the scriptures will get you nowhere except a judgement of desctuction. Adherence to an ACCURATE understanding is the only path, through Jesus, to the Kingdom. Using translations that have falsely translated any word in the Bible is preventing many from discernment of the meaning of the scriptures. Almost all English translations are FULL of such false translating of words. Take Sheol and Hades. They both translate in to common grave of man, not hell. Hell is not supported in the scriptures. Take stauros as another example. It ONLY translates into two words, depending upon context, and they are pole or stake. This fits with historical accounts of Rome 2000 years ago. The most common execution method is a “torture stake”, and was NEVER a cross. Stauros cannot translate into cross. Take pneumos as yet another example. It cannot translate into ghost, but DOES translate only into breath. As yet another example that is horrific, the tetragrammaton YHVH does not translate from Hebrew into God or Lord. It is actually God’s PERSONAL NAME. Many disagree on the pronunciation, but it IS God’s name, not His title. It’s removed almost 7,000 times from the NKJ version, and only appears 4 times in the KJV. Most contain not even one instance of God’s name. There are more mistranslations, but there is no time or space to continue listing them. I’ve spent 40 years comparing, word for word, all English translations of the scriptures, against the original scrolls of the scriptures. I’ve only found three that are almost completely correct. That means that 35 out of 38 versions are wrong, and are keeping people away from God. The second to the last paragraph in the Bible states that if anyone changes ONE WORD of the prophecies, or any other sentence in the Bible, that it makes one an “enemy of God”.

        So, who is judging, hating, and slandering whom? I am merely trying to teach, and to impart ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of the scriptures, so that maybe someone will be able to see through the B.S. and draw close to God, and be saved from death in the final battle. It’s very close now, and could happen at any time. No one knows the hour or the day, as Jesus said he doesn’t even know, only He that sent him, his Father, God the Almighty.

      • HumanBeing

        “I have not slandered anyone at any time.”

        Baloney. You just did it, which is why I called you out. You think you’re the judge of who has the Holy Spirit and who doesn’t, even though the scriptures say that ALL who call upon God in faith of the risen Jesus are given the Holy Spirit. You are arrogant and playing God by judging anyone with a prophecy view you don’t like as inviting the condemnation of God, and the teaching itself as Satanic. Since the teaching is in fact of the Holy Spirit, you have committed blasphemy. You also called anyone disagreeing with you about this “moronic and brain dead”. Pharisee! You will be judged according to the words of Jesus I quoted before. Repent or perish, it’s your choice.

      • Emery

        HumanBeing;
        You wrote:
        “I have not slandered anyone at any time.”

        Baloney. You just did it, which is why I called you out. You think you’re the judge of who has the Holy Spirit and who doesn’t, even though the scriptures say that ALL who call upon God in faith of the risen Jesus are given the Holy Spirit. ACTUALLY NO, I DON’T THINK I’M THE JUDGE OF ANYTHING HB. I BASE MY COMMENTS SOLELY ON THE SCRIPTURES, AND WHAT THEY SAY. NOT ON MY OWN OPINIONS, BECAUSE ONE’S OPINIONS ARE DICEY AT BEST. THE SCRIPTURES SAY THE HEART IS TREACHEROUS, AND WE ARE NOT TO RELY UPON IT. WE ARE TOLD TO RELY ONLY ON GOD AND HIS WORD.
        You are arrogant and playing God by judging anyone with a prophecy view you don’t like as inviting the condemnation of God, and the teaching itself as Satanic.
        ONCE AGAIN, I BASE MY COMMENTS SOLELY UPON THE SCRIPTURES, AND WHAT THEY SAY, NOT ON MY OWN OPINION. IF THE SCRIPTURES SAY THAT A CERTAIN BEHAVIOR IS SATANIC, THEN I BELIEVE IT AND COMMENT ACCORDINGLY. THEY SAY ALL RELIGION ORIGINATES WITH SATAN, AND IS FALSE. THEREFORE THAT IS HOW I COMMENT. I TAKE GOD’S WORD FOR IT, NOT MY OWN. I AM SORRY IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE, BUT I WANT TO REASSURE YOU THAT NOT ONE OF MY COMMENTS IS BASED ON MY OWN UNDERSTANDING, BUT THAT OF GOD THE ALMIGHTY. THAT WAY, WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO ARGUE ABOUT A POINT, IT IS GOD’S WORD THEY ARE ARGUING WITH IN ACTUALITY, NOT MY OPINION. I AM VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.

        Since the teaching is in fact of the Holy Spirit, you have committed blasphemy.
        THE TEACHING IS IN FACT OF GOD, AND HE USES HOLY SPIRIT TO GIVE US THE ABILITY TO DISCERN THE MEANING OF THE TEACHINGS. NO BLASPHEMY INVOLVED AT ALL, UNLESS YOU ARE SAYING THAT GOD BLASPHEMES HIMSELF.

        You also called anyone disagreeing with you about this “moronic and brain dead”.
        IT IS MORONIC AND BRAIN DEAD TO ARGUE WITH GOD’S WORD. I AM NOT JEWISH OR OF PHYSICAL ISRAEL, THEREFORE I CANNOT BE PHARISEE. Pharisee! You will be judged according to the words of Jesus I quoted before. Repent or perish, it’s your choice.
        I WILL BE JUDGED USING EXACTLY THE SAME METHOD AND PRINCIPLES THAT YOU WILL BE JUDGED WITH. THE SCRIPTURES SAY TO DO THE ENTIRE WILL OF GOD OR PERISH. LEAVING THINGS OUT OF THAT WILL MEANS DESTRUCTION. IT’S NOT MY DECISION BUT GOD’S.

        I HAVE ONLY TRIED TO HELP PEOPLE HERE, SO THAT THEY MAY SEE TRUTH AND FURTHER INVESTIGATE. ALMOST ALL REFUSE TO DO SO. THEY RELY ON FALSE RELIGION, AND FALSE TRANSLATIONS. THAT MEANS THEIR DEATH ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES. I WANT TO SAVE AS MANY AS POSSIBLE, AND TO TEACH THEM HOW TO SAVE AS MANY AS POSSIBLE. GOD WANTS US ALL TO BE HIS WITNESSES, AND TO WARN ALL ABOUT ARMAGEDDON, THE COMING KINGDOM RULE OF EARTH, AND HOW TO MAKE IT THROUGH ARMAGEDDON. GOD IS ALWAYS SEARCHING FOR SUCH ONES, AND WE, AS TRUE CHRISTIANS, ARE REQUIRED TO HELP IN THAT PROCESS. MY COMMENTS HERE ARE DESIGNED TO DO JUST THAT, AND NOTHING MORE. I AM NOT HERE TO ARGUE OR DEBATE THE MEANING OF GOD’S WORD. I ALREADY KNOW WHAT IT SAYS COVER TO COVER, AND WHAT IT MEANS. I AM, ABOVE ALL ELSE, A TEACHER OF THE TRUTH OF WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES. AS A MINISTER FOR GOD, NOT FOR ANY RELIGION, IT IS MY JOB, DUTY, AND REQUIREMENT TO DO THESE THINGS. SEVERAL I HAVE COMMUNICATED WITH ON THESE BLOGS HAVE COME TO KNOW THE TRUTH. MOST HAVE NOT. THAT’S THE WAY THE SCRIPTURES SAY IT WILL HAPPEN, AND THEY DON’T LIE. GOD DOESN’T LIE, AND HE IS TOTALLY IMPARTIAL, FAIR, JUST, AND HAS NOTHING BUT LOVE FOR US. HE DOESN’T WANT TO DESTROY ANYONE, BUT HE SAID HE WILL IF THEY DON’T HAVE AN HONEST HEART. NOTHING PERSONAL AGAINST THEM, HE STILL LOVES THEM, AND WANTS ALL TO REPENT AND DRAW CLOSE TO HIM, BUT INVOLVEMENT IN RELIGION PREVENTS MOST FROM THOSE THINGS. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. I AM NOT DISPARAGING ANYONE. THOSE THAT GET ANGRY UPON READING THE TRUTH, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT IS NOT IN HARMONY WITH EVERY LIE THEY’VE BEEN BELIEVING THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, ARE PROBABLY BEYOND HELP. IT’S SAD, BUT THAT IS THE WAY IT IS. SATAN HAS BEEN EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE IN CAUSING THE DEATH OF MOST PEOPLE. I SIMPLY ASKED YOU TO NOT BE ONE OF THE ONES THAT ARE DESTROYED. NOTHING MORE THAN THAT.

      • HumanBeing

        Emery, your OPINIONS are no more infallible than anyone else’s. I too read and honor the scriptures, as do many others, and as human beings we disagree. Your claim to be the only one reading/interpreting correctly is what is arrogant, as is your name-calling and judgmentalism. I don’t know why I’m bothering to tell you this again.

        All sorts of people think that they alone have it right, they alone only seek the truth, they alone honor the scriptures. And they all disagree.

        You’re fallible. You’re not God. You’re not perfect. That’s all I’m trying to tell you, and I will try no more. I have tried repeatedly to tell people what I believe to be the truth, straight from the Bible. You think you’re doing the same. One of us is wrong. And it is NOT up to you to decide; it is up to God.

        Do with this what you will; I’ve done my part.

      • Hi HB :)

        Emery is Mike “the macho man Emery” Savage in disguise.

        Guy can’t even keep his poop in a group.

      • Emery

        HumanBeing;
        You wrote:
        Emery, your OPINIONS are no more infallible than anyone else’s.
        AS I PREVIOUSLY STATED, I AM NOT POSTING OPINION. I AM POSTING SCRIPTURAL TRUTHS, AS STATED IN THE BIBLE.
        I too read and honor the scriptures, as do many others, and as human beings we disagree.
        READING AND HONORING IS ONE THING, BUT STUDYING FOR 40 YEARS ALONG WITH 8 MILLION OTHER MINISTERS DOING THE SAME THING, THE ACCURATE DISCERNMENT OF THE SCRIPTURES IS WHAT WE ALL PREACH. TO DISAGREE WITH WHAT GOD GAVE US, IS TO DISAGREE WITH GOD HIMSELF. IT IS NOT ME THAT WROTE THE SCRIPTURES I LEARN FROM, IT IS MEN INSPIRED OF GOD WHO WROTE THEM.

        Your claim to be the only one reading/interpreting correctly is what is arrogant, as is your name-calling and judgmentalism. I don’t know why I’m bothering to tell you this again.
        MY CLAIM IS THAT I AM THE ONLY ONE ON THESE BLOGS WHO UNDERSTANDS THEM, I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE ON EARTH WHO UNDERSTANDS THEM. ONLY RELIGIONISTS POST ON THIS SITE, OR THOSE WHO ARE ATHEISTS OR JEWS POST HERE. I ADHERE TO ABSOLUTELY NO RELIGION, OR TEACHINGS THEREOF. I USE NO FALSE TRANSLATIONS EITHER, AS GAINING ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE WITH FAULTY TRANSLATIONS IS IMPOSSIBLE. WE ALL USE THE ORIGINAL SCROLLS, COMPARE THEM TO ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS, AND DISCERN WHICH ONES ARE TRUE TO THE ORIGINAL TEXTS, AND WHICH ONES ARE NOT. ALMOST ALL ARE NOT.

        All sorts of people think that they alone have it right, they alone only seek the truth, they alone honor the scriptures. And they all disagree.
        I AM NOT CONCERNED WITH ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE. IF THEY ARE PART OF RELIGION OR USE FAULTY TRANSLATIONS, THEN THEY ARE LYING WHEN THEY SAY THEY HAVE IT RIGHT. PRETTY PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

        You’re fallible. You’re not God. You’re not perfect. That’s all I’m trying to tell you, and I will try no more.
        OF COURSE I AM NOT PERFECT. NO HUMAN IS, YET. ONLY AFTER JUDGEMENT DAY WILL PERFECT HUMANS RESIDE ON EARTH IN PARADISE.

        I have tried repeatedly to tell people what I believe to be the truth, straight from the Bible. You think you’re doing the same. One of us is wrong. And it is NOT up to you to decide; it is up to God.
        GOD HAS ALREADY DECIDED. HE SAID ADDING TO OR TAKING AWAY FROM ANY WORD IN THE SCRIPTURES MAKES ONE HIS ENEMY. HE SAID ALL RELIGION IS FALSE. THEREFORE ANYONE USING FALSE TRANSLATIONS, OR PARTICIPATING OR TEACHING WHAT RELIGION TEACHES IS WRONG, AND IS GOD’S ENEMY, AND IS DOOMED TO DESTRUCTION. I’VE POSTED THE TRUTHS IN THE SCRIPTURES ONLY. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. I DO THIS IN THE HOPES THAT SOMEONE SOMEWHERE WILL INVESTIGATE AND SEE THE TRUTH THEMSELVES. INSTEAD, MOST ARGUE AGAINST GOD’S WRITTEN WORD, JUST LIKE YOU ARE DOING. THEY ARGUE IN FAVOR OF FALSE TEACHINGS, JUST LIKE YOU. IF YOU DON’T WANT TO DRAW CLOSE TO GOD, THEN CONTINUE WHAT YOU ARE DOING. I TEACH SOME OF WHAT IS GOD’S WILL, THAT WE ARE REQUIRED ALL TO DO, IN TOTAL, LEAVING NOTHING OUT WHATSOEVER. IT’S YOUR CHOICE, AS GOD GAVE US THAT FREE WILL, WHEN HE ELIMINATED THE LAW UNDER WHICH THE ISRAELITES LIVED PRIOR TO JESUS’ DEATH. ARGUE ALL YOU WANT, DISPARAGE ALL YOU WANT, CLAIM FALSE THINGS ABOUT ME ALL YOU WANT. I DON’T CARE ONE LITTLE BIT. NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY, I AM DOING GOD’S WILL, AND I AM TRYING TO GET YOU AND OTHERS TO SEE THAT THEY TOO CAN DO THAT WILL OF GOD. OR DECIDE TO CONTINUE TO NOT DO GOD’S WILL. IT’S YOUR CHOICE.

        BUT STOP ATTACKING ME FOR DOING WHAT GOD REQUIRES OF US ALL. JUST BECAUSE YOU REFUSE TO DO THE SAME, DOESN’T MEAN I AM DOING ANYTHING WRONG. IT MEANS YOU ARE TURNING YOUR BACK ON GOD AND HIS COMMANDS TO US ALL. NOTHING MORE THAN THAT.

        Do with this what you will; I’ve done my part.

      • HumanBeing

        So the first attacker is whining about being attacked… not surprised.

        “BUT STUDYING FOR 40 YEARS ALONG WITH 8 MILLION OTHER MINISTERS DOING THE SAME THING, THE ACCURATE DISCERNMENT OF THE SCRIPTURES IS WHAT WE ALL PREACH. TO DISAGREE WITH WHAT GOD GAVE US, IS TO DISAGREE WITH GOD HIMSELF. ”

        I have studied over 40 years as well, and I too preach “the accurate discernment of the scriptures”. To disagree with YOU is NOT to disagree with God!

        You’re human. You’re fallible. You’re arrogant and playing God, equating your own OPINIONS with God Himself. But enough about you.

      • HumanBeing

        Hi ZeroSum :-D

        Yeah, I should have known. There’s really only a half dozen or so here who each have multiple sock puppets and sometimes mix up the scripts.

        I really shouldn’t have popped in to BIN after all this time “just to read”. I see the usual slander and filth and can’t seem to resist calling them out. Must not even look in the windows. I did set up a msg. board at http://shieldoffaith.net/forum/index.php but I’m not sure why. People just can’t disagree with civility these days.

      • Emery

        HB;
        You’ve posted things not to be found in the scriptures. You’ve indicated that you believe in things that are not scriptural, like trinity, cross, immortal soul, rapture, and other things. None of them are found in the scriptures, and they don’t even hint at such things. So how is it you say you preach the accurate meaning of the scriptures, when clearly you do not. You call me “the first attacker”, falsely. I’ve attacked no one. I have been attacked, most recently by you. You are deflecting, and rationalizing your unchristian behavior. You’re preaching interpreted scriptures, when God said that “interpretation belongs only to Me”. No scripture can righteously be interpreted. They are not open to guessing at their meaning. If you have to guess (interpret), then you have succumbed to Satan’s obfuscation of their meaning. As I previously wrote, the only way to circumvent that obfuscation is to have an honest heart when God looks into your heart, and for Him to use holy spirit to reveal the real meaning to you. It is obvious by your posts that this is not the case. Your defense of your posts, rather than your acceptance of scriptural counseling is another indicator that your heart is not honest, according to God. You are able to change that, but you indicate that it’s the last thing you would ever consider doing. I can’t understand why anyone would do that, but it is your choice. It’s not a good choice however. It’s not the choice that would make God’s heart glad either. You have no fear of God. Fear of God is not mortal fear of his reprisal, but fear of displeasing Him. Fear of not gladdening Him. He won’t strike you dead because of that, but He won’t spare you either. It is within your power to change that. But I am sure your next post will show that you won’t do that. It will show that you are not humble. I can pretty much count on that. Just like Zero Sum and others on this blog. Oh well. A scripture states that we should admonish the apostate twice, then walk away. I realize that I’ve admonished you a lot more than twice, and I shouldn’t have. I will ask God to forgive me for that.

      • “People just can’t disagree with civility these days.”

        HO HO!!

        I thought Relentless and Nicodemus were pretty civil. No?

        So, how about it, Savage? Wanna step in the ring over at Shield of Faith? I highly doubt you have the moxie for it. You would actually have to back up your noise with verses from Scripture, without resorting to your favorite excuses “I don’t have time” or “I get paid to teach”.

        How say you?

        (And in case you missed it, you were just challenged to a theological dual, homeslice. You’re being called out. Let’s see what you’re made of.)

      • HumanBeing

        “I thought Relentless and Nicodemus were pretty civil. No?”

        True enough. But two people only posting sporadically doesn’t exactly raise hope that the idea will catch on. People seem to prefer the ghetto over the suburbs.

        As for “the Mike of many colors”, I don’t think any of his personas would be able to keep up a civilized mask long enough to join SoF. Delusions of grandeur are clearly against the rules. :razz:

      • Emery

        BEEF SUPREME

        “People just can’t disagree with civility these days.”

        HO HO!!

        I thought Relentless and Nicodemus were pretty civil. No?

        So, how about it, Savage? Wanna step in the ring over at Shield of Faith? I highly doubt you have the moxie for it. You would actually have to back up your noise with verses from Scripture, without resorting to your favorite excuses “I don’t have time” or “I get paid to teach”.

        How say you?
        NOT INTERESTED IN DEBATING. ONLY INTERESTED IN SAVING PEOPLE. I NEVER SAID I GET PAID TO TEACH. I SAID IF YOU’RE A STUDENT OF MINE, I WILL TEACH. IF NOT, AND ONE DEMANDS THAT I PROVIDE RESEARCH THAT THEY SHOULD DO THEMSELVES, I WILL ONLY DO IT IF THEY PAY A RESEARCH FEE. I WON’T SUCCUMB TO DEMANDS TO PROVIDE ANYTHING. YOU MAY BE HERE TO DEBATE THE MEANING OF GOD’S WORD, BUT I AM NOT. I AM HERE TO STATE GOD’S WORD ACCURATELY. NOT MANY APPARENTLY CAN DISCERN IT’S TRUE MEANING. RELIGION, ALL BEING FALSE, HAS TAUGHT THINGS THAT DIFFER FROM WHAT GOD TEACHES ABOUT HIMSELF. RELIGION ORIGINATED WITH SATAN, AND HE NEVER BROUGHT ANYTHING GOOD TO THE WORLD. YET PEOPLE DEFEND WHAT HE BROUGHT WITH GREAT FERVOR. MOST PROBABLY DON’T KNOW THAT THEY ARE DEFENDING SATAN, BY DEFENDING RELIGION, BUT THEY ARE. MANY BELIEVE THAT HALF PAGAN HALF CHRISTIAN TRANSLATIONS ARE ACTUALLY THE WORD OF GOD. SINCE GOD SAID THAT ANYTHING PAGAN IS UNCLEAN, THOSE HALF PAGAN BIBLES CAN’T BE THE WORD OF GOD. SO, NO. I HAVE NO DESIRE TO GO TO “SHIELD OF FAITH” AND “STEP INTO THE RING”. THIS MAY BE A GAME TO SOME, BUT NOT TO ME. SORRY.

        (And in case you missed it, you were just challenged to a theological dual, homeslice. You’re being called out. Let’s see what you’re made of.)
        AS I SAID, I DON’T TREAT THE WORD OF GOD AS A GAME OR A DUEL. CHALLENGE ALL YOU WANT, IT WILL GAIN YOU NOTHING. YOU GO AND DUEL, STEP INTO THE RING, AND POST WHAT YOU THINK THE WORD OF GOD SAYS. ENJOY YOURSELF.

      • Areté in action.

        I am in awe Emery Savage. Simply breathtaking.

      • Just wondering….

        http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/28171/michael-savage?page=1&size=10

        Same Mike Savage?

        “Michael Savage is the Conservative equivalent of Howard Stern. He says thing for shock value and ratings and is full of himself. He is entertaining to listen to though, but not for long as I get tired of him going on about how smart he is.”

      • Emery

        ZeroSum

        Areté in action.

        I am in awe Emery Savage. Simply breathtaking.
        PROVIDED YOU’RE NOT SPEAKING OF THE MOUNTAIN, A ROCK, THE PHILOSOPHER, THE PRINCESS, OR THE MAGAZINE, AND YOU ACTUALLY MEAN THE MORAL VALUE OF EXCELLENCE, AND YOU’RE NOT BEING FACETIOUS, THANKS. IF YOU’RE BEING DISPARAGING, THEN THANKS, BUT NO THANKS.

        AS I SAID, I AM NOT HERE FOR A GAME OR FOR DEBATE. I HAVE A COMMISSION TO PREACH THE TRUTH OF WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAY, AND TO WORSHIP GOD. MY AIM IS TO HELP ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE HELPED. THOSE THAT DON’T WANT HELP CAN DISREGARD ANY POST I MAKE. I AM PAST CARING EMOTIONALLY ABOUT SUCH THINGS. REMEMBER MATTHEW 24:14. IT IS MY AIM TO PARTICIPATE IN FULFILLING THAT PROPHECY IN ANY WAY I AM ABLE TO. TIME IS PRETTY SHORT AND NOT MANY PEOPLE WORK TOWARD THAT GOAL.

      • I was being completely facetious Mike Emery. No excellence to be found.

        These nice folks look to engage you in debate and discourse and you hide from the light.

        Coward.

      • But you are playing a game, Savage. You are trying to replace the written Word with abominable doctrine. And have you been at this game for forty years? Then you yourself are a willing participant in the furtherance of a fraud. Either that, or you rank among the world’s worst readers. Any fool with a laptop and an afternoon to devote to research can get to the bottom of the Jehovah’s Witnesses with the greatest of ease. Are you ignorant of the patterns? Are you ignorant of the Mysteries? Are you ignorant of the OTHER gospel, which is not another, but is a deaf, dumb and blind idol crafted in the image of The Man? If such offal can slip beneath your radar and pass for something even remotely legitimate, then you not only fail to qualify as a teacher, you fail to qualify as a thinker. Your forty years would have been better spent in the wilderness.

        And stop pretending to be ignorant of what an abrasive prick you are. You spit in every face you see and then you feign offense whenever anyone calls you to account for your disgusting demeanor. Bring something to the table or piss off. So far you have done nothing here but annoy people and waste their time.

        Too direct? Too bad.

      • Emery

        ZeroSum

        I was being completely facetious Mike Emery.
        IT’S EMERY RICHARDS. I KNOW YOU’RE BEING FACETIOUS.
        No excellence to be found.
        THERE IS COMPLETE EXCELLENCY IN GOD’S WORD, AND THE ACCURACY THEREIN.

        These nice folks look to engage you in debate and discourse and you hide from the light.
        AS I SAID, I AM NOT HERE TO DEBATE OR TO PLAY GAMES. I AM HERE TO OBEY GOD’S COMMAND.

        Coward.
        THE ONLY COWARDS ON THIS PAGE ARE THE ONES WHO REFUSE TO DO GOD’S WILL. THE ONES WHO REFUSE TO ENGAGE IN SAVING OTHERS. THE ONES WHO REFUSE TO SEEK OUT THE TRUTH AND TO CONFIRM OR DISPROVE WHAT I SAY, OR WHAT GOD SAYS, OR WHAT THEY BELIEVE. THAT IS TRUE COWARDICE. WITHOUT COWARDICE, AND WITH HUMILITY AND BOLDNESS, I PREACH THE TRUTH OF THE SCRIPTURES. I WARN OTHERS OF THE COMING KINGDOM. I WARN OTHERS OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF IGNORING GOD’S ADMONITIONS AND COMMANDS. WHEN I RECEIVE PERSECUTION LIKE THAT WHICH YOU OFFER, ALL OF YOU, THEN I KNOW ONE THING FOR CERTAIN: THAT I AM ON THE RIGHT PATH. I AM DOING GOD’S WILL. JESUS WARNED THAT THESE PERSECUTIONS WOULD HAPPEN TO ANYONE PREACHING WHAT JESUS PREACHED. THE WORLD HATED HIM, AND THE WORLD HATES HIS DISCIPLES, AND HIS FATHER’S MINISTERS. YOU SIMPLY PROVE THAT WHAT I AM DOING IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. FOR THAT I THANK YOU.

      • Quote: “EMERY RICHARDS”

        So then MikeSavage is a plume de nome? One of you is a liar

        COWARD

        Yes. You are a coward “Sir”. I’d tell you to both sides of your face at the first chance meeting.

      • Emery

        Beef Supreme;
        Since you post things such as calling God Almighty’s doctrine abominable, it only confirms my opinion that you have NEVER posted anything of value to anyone but yourself. Your aim is not to help people, but to disparage them. Your only desire is to boost your own estimation of yourself, at the expense of others. Your total lack of understanding of God’s word is no surprise either. Most apostates share that attribute with you.

      • Any chance you care to tell me how it is you’re posting from a dead account, Savage?

        That’s a pretty neat trick.

        Have some affiliation with the website administration, do you?

        Also, why are you lying about your name?

        Is dishonesty one of the predominant traits of all Jehovah’s Witnesses?

        Fast up with it, Savage.

        You’ve got a lot of explaining to do. And remember jackanapes, there are way more people reading this than just you and I.

      • Emery

        BEEF SUPREME;
        You said:
        But you are playing a game, Savage.
        No, no games here. It is you who play the game of looking for followers of your false teachings.

        You are trying to replace the written Word with abominable doctrine.
        I haven’t replace anything with anything. I have posted exactly what the scriptures say, and what they actually mean. Since you can’t understand them and take a religion’s point of view, you post lies, whether you know they are lies or not.

        And have you been at this game for forty years? Then you yourself are a willing participant in the furtherance of a fraud. Either that, or you rank among the world’s worst readers. Any fool with a laptop and an afternoon to devote to research can get to the bottom of the Jehovah’s Witnesses with the greatest of ease.
        Any honest person would not use the writings of apostates of the “one true faith” that Jesus taught, they would go directly to God’s Witnesses for accurate information about them. You don’t have the fortitude of heart to go directly to those you attack and learn the truth about them. It would be too honest for you, and you don’t want honesty, you want followers of your lies.

        Are you ignorant of the patterns? Are you ignorant of the Mysteries? Are you ignorant of the OTHER gospel, which is not another, but is a deaf, dumb and blind idol crafted in the image of The Man? If such offal can slip beneath your radar and pass for something even remotely legitimate, then you not only fail to qualify as a teacher, you fail to qualify as a thinker. Your forty years would have been better spent in the wilderness.
        This last statement of yours is not even rational or understandable. You ask some pretty irrational questions. But that is who you demonstrate who you are on a daily basis: Irrational.

        And stop pretending to be ignorant of what an abrasive prick you are. You spit in every face you see and then you feign offense whenever anyone calls you to account for your disgusting demeanor. Bring something to the table or piss off. So far you have done nothing here but annoy people and waste their time.
        No, I have annoyed you, and those who worship you. It is not me who is the prick, it is you. To use such juvenile language fits your personality, since you demonstrate the maturity of a petulent 15 year old who has been raised by his friends and not his parents.
        The only reason you are annoyed with me is because I post truth and I don’t worship you. Sorry little man, but I provide sacred service only to God Almighty, just as we are all commanded to do.

        Too direct? Too bad.
        Too direct? Too bad. Try learning the scriptures and what they REALLY say, not what you guess they say, and not what some religion guesses they say, or is that too honest for such a dishonest person as yourself? Doing the will of your father, the father of the lie, is your goal, not doing the will of God as we are commanded to do.

      • Emery

        True that HB, and that includes pretending that the pagan belief in a trinity is Christian. Holy spirit is NOT a person, it is a force of God, that He used to create, and that Jesus and the apostles used to perform miracles. People are annointed with it. Not many though, and the first of which were the apostles and about 120 disciples the night prior to Christ’s death. Jesus used it to resurrect ones, and God used it to resurrect His son three days after his murder. Blaspheming holy spirit is a favorite past tiime of almost ALL false Christianity (called Christendom, and Bablylon the Great, and the whore of Babylon in Revelation to John.). Yes, Satan’s religions of the Earth all are taught to perform an unforgiveable sin, to not know or use God’s personal name, and to not do the entire will of God.

      • Areté is never being afraid to account for yourself ( or any of your pseudonyms )

        Areté is pretending nobody sees when your pants are down around your ankles

        Areté is mumbling in circles and not saying anything when your integrity is questioned

        Wait…. maybe that’s not the right word.

      • “Areté is never being afraid to account for yourself ( or any of your pseudonyms )”

        That’s the fact, Jack. Or Mike. Or Richards. Or whatever your name is.

        You refuse to answer every single question put to you here — by other commenters and by myself.

        You conduct your affairs with hypocrisy and nastiness and then proceed to complain that you are being abused.

        Consent to being questioned (is there an echo in here, or is my record just broken?), elsewise there is no point in continuing a dialogue with you. If you are asked to answer a specific point about the written Word, don’t just smugly quip that the answer is in the Book. No one believes you that the evidence for your claims is in the Book. Point to the specifics, or give specific answers. Failing that, all you’re doing is puttin’ on the Ritz.

  • give me a break emery and anyone else that posts about these things……R you there right now?
    Apparently you have been there…..how was it…when i die what happens….why doesn’t everyone that talks garbage about any information just go ahead and actually right an article?…unless you have and are part of this info problem….My thoughts on the matter are as this……..People who are trying to use disinformation, always saying this is fake, fake, fear porn, and variously different types of these words and sayings, are part of our major problem. evil will be evil and good will be good. its not about light love and goodness. its not about darkness, blood, and the new world order. Its about how you live and and act during that time and though there are ups and downs if you stay true to either side than that is the way you will be treated when you kick the bucket….you cant blame were you end up on your freinds or family its what your soul becomes from birth and givin a test of free will and what you would do with it. there will be people that laugh and harp on me. but there are people that are trying to understand, im with you totally. i love you guys. keep tryin. there is something after this.

    • Emery

      Ovinmitt;
      You said that ” Its about how you live and and act during that time and though there are ups and downs if you stay true to either side than that is the way you will be treated when you kick the bucket….you cant blame were you end up on your freinds or family its what your soul becomes from birth and givin a test of free will and what you would do with it.”

      I feel compelled to say that your behavior, if it is not the doing of the entire will of God, will have no effect on your being saved from destruction in the final battle. It won’t have any effect upon your returning to the dust, your thoughts perishing, and your soul (life) being extinguished upon your death. Soul and life are synonyms in the scriptures. No support exists in the scriptures for the concept of an immortal soul, or for going to heaven or a non-existent hell upon death. When we die, we simply are “sleeping in death”. No thinking, doing, going, or being in heaven or hell exists for the dead, with the exception of the annointed 144,000. Revelation to John says they will be transformed into spirit beings and taken to heaven to rule with Jesus, and to fight Armageddon with him. NO ONE ELSE EVER GOES TO HEAVEN EVER besides the 144,000. You can’t be righteous based solely on your behavior. Faith without works is dead, and works without faith is dead. But that faith must be in the ACCURATE word of God, not a mistranslated Bible. 35 out of 38 English translations contain deliberately mistranslated words, so that one may not know accurately what God says to us. It’s one of Satan’s greatest and most effective tools in misleading the entire inhabited Earth. Religion is almost as powerful a misleading force as the mistranslated scriptures in causing people to not be righteous. It works . All religion originated with Satan for the purpose of causing their death. It does cause their death. Stop using these rediculous blogs to gain knowledge of God, and go get yourself a Young’s Literal Translation, or an Orthodox Jewish Bible, and study it in detail. Apply that new accurate knowledge, and draw close to God and stop being hoodwinked by false translations and false religion. Save yourself. Help to save others.

  • summary please? Or do you really expect people to waste 3 hours watching this crap. Give me reason to.

  • You’re not saving folk, liar, you’re recruiting for your cult. And when you are asked to share the gospel to support your opinion you flatly refuse, EmerySavage. How is that fulfilling Matthew 24:14. Hmm?

    • Emery

      Mayhem;
      You are a fool. The worst kind. You make claims that I am a liar? When you lie with every word you utter or type. You claim Jesus started a cult? I am sure that God will see to it that you pay for that in the final battle.

      • Maybe you can explain how you are Emery Richards and Mike Savage if you dare?

        ( Will this cost me $250 to get a straight answer? )

        It’s no coincidence that you find a little worm inside every Mexican jumping bean

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPCFyig0gsY

    • Emery

      You are a fool, because you parrott whatever your religion tells you. You don’t know anything that resulted in your own research or study or scriptural comparison Jesus started the Christian Congregation, and you claim it’s a cult. A cult is religion, as they both things about God that differ from what God teaches about Himself. So you are the cult member Mr. Parrott. You are the liar, because you know that what your religion teaches differs from what God teaches. You fear God’s organization, and if you’d been alive when the Apostles were, you’d have feared and attacked them as well, because you’re a coward. You haven’t got the fortitude of self to confront your lying religion and what they teach.

      • Oh you’re sure are you? That’s just lovely; how you’re so quick to judge me and call me a fool. A “fool”, no less, despite the very clear admonition in Matthew 5:22.

        And there’s no need for the honorific; you may call me parrot if that’s what spins your wheels.

    • Emery

      This is the heritage of Jehovah’s servants.—Isa. 54:17, “Byington.”
      In part, our spiritual heritage consists of recently published accounts proving that ‘Jehovah is on our side.’ (Ps. 118:7) This makes us feel secure, even when we are persecuted. A heartening part of our ever-increasing spiritual heritage is this promise: “‘Any weapon whatever that will be formed against you will have no success, and any tongue at all that will rise up against you in the judgment you will condemn. This is the hereditary possession [or, “heritage,” By] of the servants of Jehovah, and their righteousness is from me,’ is the utterance of Jehovah.” (Isa. 54:17) Nothing in Satan’s arsenal of weapons can do us permanent harm. Satan has tried to destroy God’s Word, eliminate the name Jehovah, and suppress the truth. But he certainly is no match for Jehovah, who has foiled all these efforts.

      • There is no such thing as religion. This straw man with which you can hate Christians is just dross that your cult leaders and their endless failed spiteful prophecies puke into your skulls.

        =================================

        The current understanding is significantly different to the original teachings. Prior to 1914, the Watchtower believed:

        The Last Days began 1799

        Jesus Parousia started 1874

        Jesus started ruling in heaven in 1878

        The Gentile Times would end in 1914, resulting in

        End of Armageddon

        The fall of false religion

        The end of all governments

        The resurrection

        Paradise on earth

        The ability of the Watchtower to accurately foretell the meaning of 1914 is a great source of faith for Jehovah’s Witnesses, unaware of what the Watchtower said prior to 1914, as nothing that Russell said about 1914 came to pass. 2nd October 1914 was to be the final of many dates for Russell, the conclusion of matters.

        http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

      • Haven’t you noticed, Emery, that most of your detractors never deviate from what is written? But you say…

        “In part, our [JW] spiritual heritage consists of recently published accounts…”

        … and expect us to give a hoot about yet another opinion. Personally i don’t give a flying rats rear end for opinion when it is not supported by Scripture. Let Yahweh be true and all men liars.

      • Emery

        Once again you go to servants of Satan to attempt, or pretend to attempt, to gain information about God’s witnesses, that He commanded all true Christians to become, rather than to to the witnesses themselves. Okay, that’s not an honest way to research and learn the truth about anyone. Would I ask your ex wife about your personality or traits? Would I go to your worst enemy for his opinion of your character? No. I would get to know you and see for myself, rather than take your opposers’ word for who you are. You should do the same if you have any desire to honestly research those who are God’s ministers. If you don’t do that, it does show who you are.

      • That’s all good and well, Emery, except that whenever i ask a JW you clam up and refuse to answer my questions. Some apologist you turned out to be for “bible study group”, pathetic.

        Putting on the Ritz much? Echo.

  • Jay

    The moronic rapture cult is in full force. This is another Protestant myth that is sure to bring disappointment and disillusionment . This Milleritesque delusion has only been around for about 180 years but the sheep continue to get sheared by the televangelist con men. The early Church had no such doctrine, the Church fathers never spoke on it, and Scripture is silent on it. The myth came about in the early 1800′s through the efforts of one Margret MacDonald and John Darby by misinterpretation of Scripture and bad scholarship and with the aid of the flawed Scofield translation they butchered the Biblical text and started the cult. All the reformers Martin Luther included believed that the Church will go through the tribulation. The Bible teaches that Jesus ask the Father in John 17:15 ” I pray that you DO NOT take them out of the world but you shall keep them from evil” The whole nature of the NT is one of sacrifice and picking up of one cross even a well read agnostic can see the folly in the Rapture doctrine, I suggest to the cultists that if you put your faith in Scotty you will have a better chance of being beamed up with him.

    • HumanBeing

      Another ignoramus. Read the truth here: http://www.fether.net/index.php?page=refuting-slander-against-the-pre-trib-rapture/

      MacDonald NEVER HAD ANY RAPTURE DREAM OR VISION. None whatsoever. If anything, she taught a POST-TRIB one.

    • HumanBeing

      Oh, and by the way…

      Since you declare the Scofield translation as “butchered”, you are claming to be an expert in translation and in the Hebrew and Greek texts. Prove you have such expertise, or shut your arrogant, name-calling mouth

  • Its very simple overall, we are entering a final multi-year cycle that “they” want to hype as “the end”, but instead it leads to world government and their own version of world peace. Its the fourth cycle, all three former cycles ended in a UN world government presentation in the works.

    This is accompanied by the apostasy of Jehovah’s witnesses who used to track the first two UN placements as propehcy, but instead joined the UN 3rd placement as co-promoters (UN NGO).

    Four 8th King UN Cycles 1919-Future

    1. 1919 – Rev13:11-15 (Dan12:11 first fulfillment) as League of Nations after WW1;

    A. International Bible Students Association (IBSA) explained as prophecy;

    2. 1945 – Rev17:8-11 as United Nations after WW2;

    A. Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW) explained as prophecy;

    Unknown and unstated by Jehovah’s witnesses:

    3. 1990 – Daniel 11:31b as United Nations “New World Order” Initiative after WW3 (Cold War) (Dan11:29);

    A. Covered up by Bethel as UN NGO, not explained as prophecy by any religious group;

    4. Future – Daniel 11:45; Daniel 8:25; (Daniel 12:11 last fulfillment) as United Nations and World Government after 4th world tribulation/war cycle to come.

    A. Not currently explained by Bethel in lieu of a premature “end of the world” deception. 

    B. To be explained after the JW temple judgment desolation, purification and removal of lawless Bethel engineered subversion (2Thess2:1-4; Dan11:30-31; Dan8:11-13);

    ===

    Outline – UN has Four Cycles in World History and Bible Prophecy
    http://templelijah.wordpress.com/un-fourth-cycle-soon/outline-un-has-four-cycles-in-world-history-and-bible-prophecy/

    All Four United Nations Presentations are Foretold in Bible Prophecy
    http://templelijah.wordpress.com/graphics-of-final-cycle/all-four-united-nations-presentations-are-foretold-in-bible-prophecy/

    ===

    Thus the weird world cycle starting events coming up, will include even weirder developments for the JW Bethel corporations, they will be going down in the vortex of this cycle’s inception.

  • You do not preach the truth of Scripture, completely; another lie on your part, Emery. You give your opinion like it is gospel and expect everyone to agree with you. I can’t find a verse that commands us to behave this way, can you? And you really don’t like it when folk ask questions to find out whether, or not, you have half a clue. Am i wrong or is this debate the very first time i’ve seen you with a Bible open? I think it is.

    Persecuted, you! Oh puhlease Emery/Savage you call internet debate with total anonymity “persecution”. Precious much? Get over yourself.

    As Beef mentioned: but in case you don’t know by now, i’ll repeat the point. There are a bunch of folk here prepared to defend the Faith; very capable folk, theologically sound individuals. More than you might ever know are reading these threads without commenting. You’ve only very recently met a few of them.

    Now then: you predict how my judgement will go and i predict you won’t stay here much longer but just so you know, you’re always welcome as far as i’m concerned. Whereupon you will be used, again, to show that dogma does not bear fruit in the light of Truth.

    • HumanBeing

      “You give your opinion like it is gospel”

      This is the heart of most “debates” around here. There are a at least a dozen people who think that their opinions are divine and infallible. Some of them even say plainly that to disagree with them is to disagree with God. They just list verses or snippets of them out of context and say, “See, this means exactly what I say it means, and any attempt to appeal to context or basic principles of the faith is arguing with God”. You can’t reason with people like that.

      • You’re right, Human Being, except about the pre-trib rapture. Other than that i understand that your heart is in the right place and you seem like someone who can rise above the detritus.

      • HumanBeing

        Thank you, Mayhem. :smile:

        Of course, I’m convinced that the scriptures teach a pre-trib Rapture. But what’s important is how people treat those who disagree with them. I know that I’m a fallible human being, meaning I know I could be mistaken. But I’ve not seen convincing arguments to sway my opinion… which I know is my opinion and not divine fact. Those who revile pre-trib and anyone who believes it, are only driving people away. If they were to instead show genuine loving concern and try to persuade rather than destroy, they might find more people willing to hear them out.

  • HumanBeing

    Mike Emery says, “Holy spirit is NOT a person”.

    The Bible says (source: http://books.fether.net/index.php?theBook=NIC&theChap=16):

    The Father sends the Son— 1 John 4:14
    The Father sends the Spirit— Luke 11:13, John 14:26
    The Father glorifies the Son— John 8:54
    The Father is one in whose name people are to be baptized— Mt. 28:19

    The Son sends the Spirit— John 15:26, 16:7
    The Son sends the Father— Mt. 26:53, Luke 23:34, John 17:1
    The Son is called “the everlasting Father”— Isaiah 9:6
    The Son is one in whose name people are to be baptized— Mt. 28:19

    The Spirit sends the Son— Mt. 4:1
    The Spirit anoints the Son— Acts 10:38
    The Spirit goes as he wills— John 3:8
    The Spirit inspired all scripture— Acts 1:16, 1 Peter 1:12, 2 Peter 1:21
    The Spirit indwells believers— Acts 2:4,
    The Spirit teaches— Luke 12:12
    The Spirit gives gifts— Heb. 2:4
    The Spirit indwelt John the Baptist and Jesus— Luke 1:15, 4:1
    The Spirit must not be blasphemed— Luke 12:10, Mt. 12:32
    The Spirit gives orders to people— Acts 13:2-4, 16:6 20:28
    The Spirit seals believers— Eph. 1:13
    The Spirit is one in whose name people are to be baptized— Mt. 28:19

    One God, three Persons. You cannot blaspheme a force, you cannot pray to an idea.

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