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Who are you going to believe HellBusters!! Or Christ?
Its wake up time! Sleepy sleep time is over!!
Christ made it very clear that the price for unduring with Him is eternal Life!
He also described the eternal punishment for following the world including jokers who deny His truths.
If there is indeed no Hell then Christ does not matter nor His gospel. Its kinda like the american justice system-No real punishment!! Hence no real deterrant from following evil!
Matt 25:44-46 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Jude 1:5-7 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
The Thousand Year Reign- Without a literal Hell through this scripture in the trash
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
The true Witnesses for Christ, not the fearfull who believe albeit falsely in a Pretribulation Rapture, will Reign on Earth with Christ.
The First Judgment, Death and Resurrection.
Rev 20:5-6 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Where do you think these dead were placed if not in Hell?
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Torment Forever in the Lake of Fire, Let us work out our Salvation with trembling and fear? Why? Because Hell is very Real!!
The Second Judgment. Death & Hell thrown into the Lake of Fire!
Rev 20:11-12 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:14-15 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The Second Death after the 1000 Year Reign of Christ on earth
Rev 21:1-2 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
The Place that Christ has prepared for us- We don’t go up to Heaven He brings Heaven to us.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
The first group mentioned that are destined for the second death are the fearfull.
This includes those who are fearful of suffering for Christ; think the phony Christians that do not have the mind of Christ. Without the Baptism of the Holy Spirit they can not discern truth, have a true relationship with Jesus or endure real Tribulation.
The Pretribulation Rapture is a deadly doctrine unto damnation for many.
2 Thess 1:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
Those that will inherit the Kingdom will suffer for it.
2 Thess 1:7-8And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
No Pretribulation Rapture, Christ returns with his Angels to earth. Also note that those who obey not the Gospel of Christ will be destroyed.
Think Pretribulation Rapture Gospel
Following the Old Testament
Believing you are saved as opposed to will be saved
Not having any idea what Born again even means
Believing in the gospel of men instead of the Gospel of Christ
2 Thess 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Matt 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
Everlasting Destruction- This means it goes onforever
2 Thess 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
No Pretribulation Rapture, mentioned here! He comes to us, not we shall go to Him.
Matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Baptism of the Holy Ghost is essential, and it comes from Christ and is unto Salvation. (link)
He that Believes and is Baptized shall be Saved.
Baptism of water is an outward sign and is works, it can not save us.
Matt 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Unquenchable fire is eternal.
Mark 9:43-44 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Matt 25:31-32 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
This is a description of the beginning of the 1000 Year Reign. It also disproves the false fairy tale teaching of a Pretribulation Rapture. There are no nations in Heaven.
The answer to the prayer He taught us,”Thy Kingdom come Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.”
No fancy graphics or videos to amuse you
Just The Gospel Truth According To Christ Jesus
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Rev 22:18-19 (KJV)
1 Corinthians 15:22-23 NET (22) For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ ALL will be made alive. (23) But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; then when Christ comes, those who belong to him.
Greek word “all” pas
Thayer Definition:
1) individually
1a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things,everything
The only caveat given in 1 Cor. 15: 23 is this: “but every man in his own order.” Not all will appropriate immortality at the same time. Jesus established the FACT of universal reconciliation, but the TIMING is determined by our will and actions. The overcomers will receive aionian life (“ life in The Age”) in the first resurrection (Rev. 20: 4-6) so that they might reign with Him during the thousand-year Tabernacles Age. The rest of the believers will be given life (immortality) when the thousand years is finished. This is the time of the general resurrection, when ALL who yet remain in the tombs “shall hear His voice and shall come forth” (John 5: 28, 29). This will include both unbelievers and the rest of the believers who missed the first resurrection. Those who refused Christ during their life time on earth, along with the great majority of mankind who never had opportunity to hear of Him in the life time, will confess Him as Lord at the Great White Throne. Even so, they will be judged according to their works (Rev. 20: 13). Because all sin is reckoned as a debt, the great Judge will reckon each man’s “debt” according to his sin and according to his level of knowledge (Luke 12: 48) and then sentence him to be “sold” according to the law in Ex. 22: 3. The purchaser will be an overcomer, one with the character of Jesus Christ, who will be given authority and responsibility to teach them righteousness by personal example and by force if necessary. This judgment will endure until the Creation Jubilee.
No one will be tortured, for torture is not a judgment in biblical law, nor is it one of the fruits of the Spirit, nor is it consistent with the character of God as revealed in Christ. Some may receive 40 lashes with a whip, according to the law mentioned in Jesus’ parable in Luke 12: 48, but that, Jesus called a “fire” in verse 49.
The fire is the Word of God, including the “fiery law” (Deut. 33: 2). It is the manifestation of the righteous character of God Himself, for He manifested Himself to Israel only as fire. He is a “consuming fire” (Deut. 4: 24). When He comes in a baptism of fire, its purpose is to destroy “the flesh” and quicken our mortal bodies (Rom. 8: 11). The fire is the glory of God as well, which will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea. The waters cover 100 percent of the sea; so also His glory will cover 100 percent of the earth.
No wonder so many doubt.
The punishment for sin is death. Not burning eternally in the imaginary place invented by man.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
destinedtobe-what?
Rev 20:10 the “are” is added and not in the scripture. This scripture clearly states it is the devil, Satan, that is cast into the Lake of Fire and it is HE who is tormented day and night for ever and ever — no mention of the beast, the false prophet OR any man being tormented.
Yes the beast and the pope are cast into the Lake of Fire and are burnt to ashes — they are physical flesh and blood humans and they will die and cease to exist for ever more.
I fully realize how “invested” you fellows are in your perverted doctrine of men, it is impossible for you to see your errors even when presented with perfect logic and clear scripture.
destinedtobeornottobe
Most scripture twisted by others are not hard to un-twist — The God of Creation, ELOHIYM, is a GOD of logic, something most to day do not even know how to spell much less use.
destine– why are there as many diverse doctrines in so called Christianity as there are group? Because the god of this world has confused the entire world and that included your group.
The inferno is just purgatory. No big deal. The reality is, THIS is hell. Heaven is where we go when we leave here… After passing through purgatory. Think about it… Jesus is the light… That makes his father the light bearer.
Face it, Christians. You’re all devil worshippers.
The concept of an afterlife is ancient pagan in origin, eg, the Egyptian Osiris judges the dead, weighing their heart against that of a feather, if they passed they entered an afterlife paradise, if they failed they were obliterated. Hell fire and damnation was invented by Pope Augustine, along with sex is only for procreation. He is also famous for inserting the last paragraph to not add or subtract from the bible. That’s all he did was add and subtract from it.
There are many ways the Restoration of All Things is taught in the Scriptures.
(1), there is the law of Jubilee, which cancels all debt (sin) at the end of the time of judgment.
(2), there is God’s vow in Num. 14: 21 to fill the whole earth with His glory.
(3), Jesus says that if He were “lifted up” (crucified), He would draw [literally, “drag”] ALL MEN unto Himself.
(4), Paul quotes Isaiah in Phil. 2: 10, 11 that “every knee” will bow and “every tongue” will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
(5), Paul quotes Psalm 8 in many places to show that “the all” will be subjected to Christ in the end.
The only reason people find Paul’s teaching offensive is because they really do not want all sinners to be saved. They give their money to the Church for the purpose of “saving souls” that they have never met, but they do not want certain ones to be saved, because they feel that they “deserve” to be punished forever.
The issue of opposition to “everyone is ultimately redeemed” comes down to three primary objections. The first is to say some people are such huge sinners that their debt to the law exceeds the value of the blood of Christ. It says that Christ’s blood was insufficient to pay for the sin of the whole world. The second objection says that Christ paid for the sin of the whole world, but that most of it was undeliverable, due to the will of man. This was the scenario presented by Moses in Numbers 14. God’s answer was that the whole earth will be filled with His glory, and not just Israel as a nation. The third objection says that God does not love the world enough to actually purchase all of creation by His blood. This is the idea of limited atonement. It says that God elected only a few to be saved, and decided by His own sovereign will to cast away all others. But Jesus said in John 3: 16, “For God so loved the world.”
It is almost impossible to get a scriptural doctrinal viewpoint across on this BIN forum. Although I disagree with your viewpoint I presented my viewpoint, not exactly as the James Glover approach, with three articles. I got about as many hits as you and definitely not in the multi thousands as Glover or some of the other posters with over the top JAW DROPPING headlines.
You may have to come to the same conclusion as I did. People are not interested in Biblical scriptural teachings at all but only gossip as to the alleged timing of the next so-called big fantastic, jaw dropping, mind numbing, head exploding, balls busting, unbelievable event.
Aren’t there REAL forums where your views and those of others who are REALLY into this bible stuff can exchange on the subject. I’m sure there are.
no heaven,no hell,no god ,no devil.
religon is just another means of controlling people.