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The Doctrine of the Trinity – And then there were Two
Doctrine of the Trinity
Doctrine of the Trinity – Is it Fundamental to the Christian Faith
The doctrine of the trinity is a carnal attempt to comprehend that which is only understood through the spirit. Man can not know the things of God, except for the spirit of God (1 Cor 2:11-13).
1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Jesus spoke to the people through parables then, and continues to do so now. As Christ interpreted the parables he taught to his Disciples, so too does the Holy Spirit reveal His teachings for us today (Mark 4:34, John 14:26, Eph 1:17).
1 Cor 2:13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
It is the Holy Spirit that teaches us all things and reveals the following mysteries. We are to be led by the Spirit of God and not a man made doctrine of the trinity (Rom 8:11-18).
- Great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh (1 Tim 3:16)
- God is Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.
- The carnal mind is in opposition against God (Romans 8:7)
- The things of the Spirit of God are spiritually discerned (1 Cor 2:14)
- One singular God spoke and the world was, not many Gods or persons (Gen 1:26)
- The only true God, (is) also Jesus Christ (John 17:3)
- And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin (Rom 8:10)
- All the promises of God are in Jesus Christ (2 Cor 1:20).
- All things were made by Jesus who is the Word (John 1:1)
- “I and the Father are One” (John 10:30).
Matt 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
As you consider the verse above keep in mind Abraham was not a father in the physical sense, but in the Spiritual, through the same Faith that is in Christ. Right now you are most likely thinking, hey hold on a minute Abraham believed upon Yahweh, and not upon Christ Jesus.
In the next article in this series, we will discover through the Word that Christ and Yahweh are one. This revelation if understood will completely unravel the doctrine of the trinity.
The doctrine of the trinity really starts to crumble when we realize that God does not have a father, and Christ is indeed God.
Matt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
If Jehovah is the father of Christ, how is it that mary conceived through the Holy Spirit? Would this not make the Holy Spirit Christ’s father?
The Doctrine of the Trinity and Jewish Monotheism
The doctrine of the trinity is not accepted by judaism. This religious group claims albeit falsely to worship the Father, which is one of the persons of the so-called christian godhead.
Matt 10:32-33 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
- Judaism claims to know and thus follow their God who is Yahweh, and yet they do not.
- Anyone that denies that Jesus is the Christ is a liar. He is an antichrist that denies the Father (who is ) also the Son (1 John 2:22).
- They rejected the commandments of God, and only kept the traditions of men (Mark 7:8-9,13).
- Moses gave them the law and yet none of these false rulers of the people kept the law (John 7:19).
- Christ clearly stated,” I and the Father are One” (John 10:30).
- Jesus told them that if God truly was their Father, they would love Him (John 8:42)
- Most who claimed to be of the tribe of Judah, did not recognize the Messiah, and this is still true today.
- The genesis of judaism most definitely is from the same spirit of deception that was prevalent at the time of Christ’s advent (Mat 22:2-39).
- The Lord himself gave a sign. Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son; His name is Immanuel (Isaiah 7:14).
- They are without an excuse. Mary gave birth to Jesus who is called Emmanuel; which being interpreted is God with us (Matt 1:23).
- Before Christ, sacrifices were made for the sins of the people. After Christ however, there remains no covering for sin apart from his shed blood.
- Jesus declared their house to be desolate, and it remains in this condition today (Mat 23:38).
The fathers of the chief priests, scribes and the elders of the people killed the prophets. These self-righteous false judeans, who were of their father the devil, conspired to kill Jesus. They thought in doing so the inheritance would be theirs (Mat 23:30-38, Mat 21:38, Mat 26:3).
The parable of the vineyard in Mark chapter twelve describes these murderous hypocrites, and the punishment reserved for them.
We are not to pay attention, but are indeed to be aware of the jewish fables and the teachings of men (Tit 1:14).
The Doctrine of the Trinity – Is the Father greater than the Son
The doctrine of the trinity claims one God with three distinct persons. Without the Holy Spirit truly residing within a man, he will always be learning as it were, and will never be able to come to the knowledge of the Truth. Mankind is not to pray to the Holy Spirit, but for the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that proceeds from God that enables us to understand the mysteries of God.
Within the teachings of this doctrine of the trinity deception, the claim is made by some that the Father is greater than the Son.
It is taught that God the Father is supreme, while God the Son is Supreme in authority. But this separation would still represent two Gods, if in fact they were not one. It can also be said that the Son relinquished some of this authority, as He became a servant to all men.
Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
The mystery of God is revealed through the Spirit of God; the Holy Spirit is not another God but the manifestation of Christ in us (John 14:21).
2 Cor 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
The manifestation of God in the flesh through Christ is a mystery; the manifestation of the Spirit of God in the Elect also is a wonderful mystery (1 Tim 3:16).
John 5:17-18 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the judeans sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Christ clearly did not allow for the false doctrine of the trinity to hold any weight.
In Christ alone we can have Redemption and forgiveness of sins; as well Christ is the image of the invisible God (Col 1:14-15).
What Jesus declared in the gospel of John should easily destroy the false teaching regarding the doctrine of the trinity.
- If you know me, you know my father also, because I and the Father are One (John 14:7, John 10:30).
- From this present time you both know the father, and have seen him; this was possible because God was manifest in the flesh (John 14:7, 1 Tim 3:16).
- He that sees me has seen the Father John (14:9).
- I am in the Father, and the Father is in me (John 14:11).
- The Father hath life in himself; also it is given to the Son to have life in himselfJohn 5:26
The Doctrine of the Trinity – And then there were two
The doctrine of the trinity fails to take into account what God did for mankind.
Can a person or mere mortal man save mankind from their sins, or forgive them of their sins? Christ was never a mere mortal man, as this deceptive doctrine of the trinity would suggest.
Christ made himself somewhat of no reputation, and took upon himself the form of a servant. He was outwardly like unto man, to give his life a ransom for many (Phil 2:7, Matt 20:27-28).
John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
Christ spoke of the Spirit, which they that believe on him would receive. The Holy Spirit was not yet given; because of the fact that Jesus was not yet glorified. And yet Christ had this same glory before the world was (John 7:39).
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
- Christ is (present tense). He is always present with the elect in the Spirit.
- Christ was (past tense). He always existed.
- Christ is to come again (future tense). Upon His Glorious return, He will reign as King of Kings, and Lord of Lords.
- Does this sound like a person as suggested by the doctrine of the trinity?
- Why has man not yet come up with the doctrine of the trinity of Christ?
Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, even the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
It is impossible to truly buy into this doctrine of the trinity, wherein Jesus eternally exists as a distinct person. Christ upon His Resurrection and glorification no longer fits into this neat little box man has created for him, nor did He when He was busy creating the world.
A new doctrine of the trinity is required with a transformation clause built into it.
It is a blatant lie to suggest Christ eternally existed as a distinct person. This teaching of a doctrine of the trinity loses credibility, as Christ was transformed, or rather He transformed Himself. To manifest from God to a (god and a man), and then back to God, is not something that is even in the realm of reality. This doctrine of the trinity also declares Christ was fully man and yet fully God, and remains in that dualistic state even now.
Could Jesus to be God, then become a deity, and once again become just God? This would become a difficult theory to make practical. Was He only a part time deity, and a full time member of the Trinitarian group?
John 10:17-18 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
God the Spirit was manifest in the flesh, which is one transformation. After the resurrection, He was again transformed unto eternal Glory. And if you believe in the deity clause, this was only temporary. In no way can the claim be made that Jesus was fully God and fully man after that He was risen. Well there goes the deity clause for sure.
John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
- One God that was manifest in the flesh.
- One God equal with, as a result of being the father also.
1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
Afterwards there still is one God, and one Spirit given unto the man.
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism
This doctrine of the trinity, with one God who eternally exists as three distinct Persons, may well be one of the greatest lie ever told.
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the people; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Doctrine of the Trinity – link to wesite
…If you can’t accept that God and Jesus, share, ONE SPIRIT…then its impossible that you are CHRISTIAN…
…It means you missed the “most important” teachings of Christ…..
Attention, windbags:
…To write these blasphemies down, on a public forum, makes you very lucky, you’re NOT of the Elect…If you were, you’d be ‘flirting’ with the unforgivable sin. As it is…you’re only looking at a thousand years of contemplation of the ‘mystery of the Trinity’….which has become a stumbling block, ” extraordinaire”. for many of the scripture lawyers that haunt these pages..
…thank you, john….excellent article…like always.
Thank-you Maxxy
◾One God that was manifest in the flesh.
◾One God equal with, as a result of being the father also.
1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
Afterwards there still is one God, and one Spirit given unto the man.
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism
This doctrine of the trinity, with one God who eternally exists as three distinct Persons, may well be one of the greatest lie ever told.
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the people; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
destine2B
I rail against the satanic doctrine of a trinity, so we agree on this — but if you are teaching Jesus Christ is His own Father —- you are back in nonsense land once again.
Elohiym is plural, there are 2 in the Family of God and at the completion of God’s Plan of salvation, billions of SONS of God will be in that Family each and everyone born again into an immortal spirit form or body if you will just like our elder brother. Philippians 3:21
WWCHD?
…I think the reasons behind the ‘LIE”, Is a faulty concept of “spirituality”…can’t get past the INDIVIDUALITY, that IS, what humans are in this realm..individual…can’t be ‘divided’. Comprehension of spiritual concepts requires “stepping out of one’s earthly understanding.” Impossible without FAITH…The idea won’t fit in the earthly brain.
Again very well said
How many claim to be Born Again without any evidence of this transformation taking place
The false teachers love this illusion as nothing spiritual really happens and yet the claim is still made AND THE SHEEPLE STAY UNDER THEIR CONTROL
THE ULTIMATE ILLUSION
HOW VERY SAD MAXXY DON’T YOU AGREE
Maxxy and destined2B lost
Yes – individuality! — God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ create only one of a kind, no two are alike, Even in animals personalities are diverse –AND Even to the extreme: with 7 billion folks walking this earth – do even two have the same finger prints?
BUT you blindly ignore Paul — “even the spiritual can be understood by the physical – even the Godhead, even the Family”; paraphrased.
When the “Family” of God is revealed as the Father and the Son, did God not create the physical after His image, after the Spiritual?
The physical world is a much lower and temporary expression of the Spiritual world.
We can understand the Family of God because God created man to also live as a family.
Maxxy — God, who can not lie — even little tiny tiny little ones, told us WE CAN KNOW THE TRUTH AND THAT TRUTH WILL MAKE US FREE.
Understanding spiritual concepts does not require “stepping out of one’s earthly understanding” NO – it requires the indwelling of the spirit of the Father, it requires the added component of that spiritual mind of God the Father – that same mind that was and IS in Jesus Christ our savior.
And destined2Blost how is it you a self appointed teacher can not read the WORD joining one doctrine one thought to another?
What is the message through out that WORD? We must bring forth the FRUIT of the SPIRIT!
Yes evidence of the “conversion” taking place in us are the fruits of God Spirit. Conversion is being changed from carnal human nature over to that Divine Holy Perfect Godly Nature which is LAWFUL.
BUT you destine only look to and point to mumbling satanic words as that “evidence” –how sad!! How shallow! how pointless!
Whereas Jesus Christ and His apostles spoke often of the fruits of That Spirit.
Galatians 5
16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Maxxy and destined2B the only true proof that a person has that indwelling of the Spirit of the Father is the fruits of that Spirit are evidenced in their lives by their works.
That fruit is:
Love
Joy
Peace
Patience
Gentleness
Goodness
Faith
Meekness
Temperance
All of which are “OF” the LAW -lawful- and none against the Law!
DESTINED did you find any mention of speaking in satanic noise as a fruit of the HOLY, DIVINE and PERFECT SPIRIT OF THE FATHER???
Speaking in KNOWN languages to spread the Good News of the Coming Government of God is a Gift of the spirit to a few.
If you can understand a tetrahedron, you can understand the Trinity. It is that simple.
A tetrahedron has four sides made up of equilateral triangles. Think of a pyramid with three sides instead of four for the base. Make a tetrahedron out of paper and tape at your desk. Label each of the four sides as follows:
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God the Son, The Word
God the Heavenly Father
God the Holy Ghost
God (The Godhead)
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The Bible teaches there is only One God, that God is One. See Deut. 6:4:
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!
Hold the tetrahedron in your hand. How many objects are in your hand? The answer: ONE. This is how God can be one and yet three, three and yet one. Turn the tetrahedron and the facets Father, Son, and Holy Ghost all are before your eyes, and yet there is only ONE object there.
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These are the four ways God reveals himself in the Scripture. Hold the tetrahedron so that only one face at a time is showing. For example, if the God side is facing you, this example is in Genesis 1, “In the beginning, God….”. Turn is so that the Holy Ghost side is facing you. Gen 1:2 says, “And the Spirit of God….”. Turn it so the Son side is facing you. The example of this is Matt. 1:1, “…the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the…” Turn it so the Father side is facing you. The example of this is Matt. 5:16, “glorify your Father in heaven….”
There are combination ways God reveals himself in the Scripture. Hold the tetrahedron so that you can see Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the same time. The point where the sides join will be pointing at you. God reveals himself as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. The example of this is Jesus’ baptism in Matt. 3:16 where the Son is baptized, the Holy Spirit comes down, and the Father speaks from heaven.
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There are 14 other combinations like this in the scripture of two persons of the Trinity at a time. Turn the tetrahedron so only two sides face you. For example,
Father-Son….for ex: John 3:35
Father-Holy Ghost…Acts 2:23
Son-Holy Ghost…Matt 12:23
and so forth. When you break it down into the different combination of facets, there are many scriptures for each combination.
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There is one place where all four sides are seen at the same time: See Isa 9:6…”For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”
Son…..”a Son is given”
Spirit….”Wonderful Counselor” (see John 14:26)
God….”Mighty God”
Father….”Everlasting Father”
Go to BibleGateway.com, select your favorite version, and start doing word searches for
Father
Son, Jesus, Most High, Prince
Holy Ghost, Spirit, Spirit of God
God, Godhead
also do combination searches like
Father Son
Father Jesus
Father Holy Spirit
Holy Spirit Jesus
etc…
Friend, it is that simple to understand the Godhead. This pattern of truth can be found from Genesis to Revelation. This is the best way to understand the Trinity. Use the three dimensional model and metaphor of the tetrahedron, and it becomes clear.
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Where does Jehovah fit in? The Christian confession that should be made at baptism is “Jesus is Lord”. (Phil 2:11) The word Lord substitutes for Jehovah. This means that Jesus is Jehovah. Jesus is how the one Word of God is revealed in the New Testament and Jehovah is how the one Word of God is revealed in the Old Testament. There is one Word of God that is revealed many different ways. The Word of God will be revealed as the returning King in Rev. 19. He will destroy his enemies with the word of his mouth. This behaviour is different from the gentle Jesus of Nazareth, the teacher. But he is nevertheless the SAME JESUS (Heb 13:8). If the jews could get ahold of this truth, they would all become Christians tomorrow. Jesus is Jehovah, Jehovah is Jesus, they are different revelations of the ONE WORD OF GOD.
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What about the distinction between the three Persons? This is always confusing. The simple answer drawn from the illustration of the tetrahedron metaphor is that each of the four sides are distinct from each other. However, the distinction is only surface deep. Below the surface of the facet, there is unity. This is how the Father can know something the Son does not know, since they are distinct on the surface level (Matt 24:36).
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The Word can appear in different forms. This can be confusing. The confusion goes away when you realize there are many different ways the Word reveals himself:
Angel of the Lord: Judges 2:1
Jehovah God (Lord God): Gen 2:4
Jehovah (Lord): Joel 1:1
Jesus of Nazareth: Matt. 21:11
Jesus the Light of the World: Matt. 17:1-4
Jesus the Conquering Messiah, the Faithful and True: Rev. 19:11
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The bottom line is that this is all the same Word of God, the same Jesus: Heb. 13:8
Conclusion: The bible does teach the Trinity, The One God who is Three Persons, the Blessed Trinity. And the matter is a lot simpler than most people realize.
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