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Christians Will Never Be Taken up to Heaven in the Flesh – The Great Christian Lie Exposed
As it Was in The Days of Noah So Shall it Be When Jesus Returns One Shall Be Taken to be Destoyed
One Shall Be Taken And The Other Shall Be Left Behind link to entire article and the Rapture series
In the days of Noah the earth was filled with violence, and all flesh was destroyed except for eight people. Upon Christ’s second coming, it will be as it was in the days of Lot and Noah; One shall be taken to inherit destruction. This is the unfortunate fate for all who have not found protection in Christ.
Matt 24:39-40 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left.
When Christ returns a second time, one shall be taken, but not to heaven. They are actually taken to Hell, to await the final judgment after the 1000 year reign of Christ. Those left behind remain on earth; this is the exact opposite of what the pre-tribulation rapture movement teaches. It is simply amazing how many buy into this grievous fable.
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
There is not one Bible verse that suggests we are ever to go up to heaven with resurrected bodies. This transformation happens at the last trumpet judgment when the Elect reign with Christ on a new earth.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
When our inheritance or treasure is mentioned in association with Heaven, it always refers to one of two promises; the crown of righteousness (our Salvation) is given to the Elect at His second coming, when He returns from Heaven; the New Jerusalem which comes down from Heaven, represents our final dwelling place with Jesus after the millennium reign on earth (1 Thes 4:15-17).
2 Tim 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
The apostle Paul clearly points out that he will receive the crown of righteousness at the same time as all those that love His appearing do; this occurs upon Christ’s return to the earth. To imagine that one shall be taken to receive the reward of eternal life before the tribulation, while the apostle waits until the end of the tribulation for his is preposterous.
2 Tim 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
One Shall Be Taken but not to Heaven
Christ judges the living and the dead at His appearing and His earthly kingdom (the 1000 year reign); if there is a pre tribulation rapture then this group escapes the judgment; this is impossible, as it is appointed unto man once to die and then the judgment (2 Tim 4:1; Heb 9:27-28). Now this ridiculous theory claims not only three separate earthly visits by Christ, but three separate judgments as well, one of which is a secret even to the group that propagates this fairy tale.
Peter presents us with a message that the new age church does not want to talk about, because they do not want to understand it. We will partake in Christ’s sufferings and are able to endure through the power of His Spirit that lives within us. However this temporary pain does not compare to the eternal glory and joy to be experienced at His Second Coming.
1 Peter 4:12-13 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
Judgment begins with or at the body of believers known as the church; there is no special escape clause expressed or implied.
1 Peter 4:17-18 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
So we ask those pre-tribulation rapture advocates, if the house of God is raptured away how then is it possible for judgment to begin there? If the righteous be scarcely saved what chance would the ungodly that are left behind have, with no discernment for the truth during the worst period of deception known to mankind?
Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass,( the tribulation events) then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption (or salvation) draweth nigh.
The Word of God will return to set in motion the first judgment and resurrection; those that destroy the earth will be sent to Hell to await the lake of fire which is the final judgment; a full reward is given to the elect who will reign on earth with Jesus.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
The prophets, Saints and others are rewarded at this time, which most assuredly is at the end of the great tribulation period.
Just as 2 Tim 4:1, destroys the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine , so to does this verse in Rev 11:18.
A rapture or gathering of the church before this time is quite impossible, how could the prophets not be worthy of the same rewards of the church, that is supposedly taken away and transformed years before they are. Salvation at any time other than that of the second coming of Jesus our redeemer is also impossible. The reward for the righteous is salvation, which just happens to occur when Christ returns (Isa 62:11; Col 3:24; Rev 22:12).
2 Thess 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels
Observe the logical progression here, one shall be taken, that is for sure, but it is not the Christian. Christ is revealed and He brings His angels with Him. If we were raptured and taken to Heaven there would be no need to bring the angels.
2 Thess 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe…
Christ comes to be glorified in his Saints, but also with flaming fire as He takes vengeance on them that do not know God, so this is also a time of judgment (2 Thes 1:8).
2 Thess 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
Christ must first come down from Heaven in order to gather His Elect, this does not represent two separate events, the proof of this is in the following verse.
2 Thess 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
The day of Christ is in fact when He returns to gather us, one event that occurs during a single day.
2 Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
And it is evident that the day in which we are gathered, or caught up in Christ, does not occur until the Beast or anti Christ is revealed, well there goes the possibility of escaping the Great Tribulation.
2 Thess 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming
And finally, this all happens at the end of the Great Tribulation, as this is when Christ returns and throws the Beast and False prophet into the Lake of Fire (Rev 19:20).
There is NO VERSE that ever says anyone is going to heaven. If so, please find it for me.
All Christians will go through the Tribulation. Some won’t make it. Others will be taken to a place of safety and still others will have divine protection.
There is no guarantee who. That is up to the G*d.
Acts 1:9-11 “And when he had said these things, while they looked on, he was raised up: and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they were beholding him going up to heaven, behold two men stood by them in white garments. Who also said: Ye men of Galilee, why stand you looking up to heaven? This Jesus who is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come, as you have seen him going into heaven.”
Luke 23: 43 “And Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee, THIS DAY THOU SHALT BE WITH ME IN PARADISE.”
Where is Jesus right now (besides in Catholic tabernacles?) He is in Heaven. Where is the good thief right now? With Jesus. So, since Jesus is in Heaven, the good thief is in Heaven. But he is not the only one. All souls who die in God’s saving Grace have eternal life.
Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death. But the grace of God, LIFE EVERLASTING, in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
God also raised some old testament Saints bodily and assumed them into Heaven.
Matthew 27:52-53 “And the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints that had slept arose, And coming out of the tombs after his resurrection, came into the holy city, and appeared to many.”
And of course His Blessed Mother, whom He loves above all, is bodily in Heaven.
Rev 12:1 “And a great sign appeared IN HEAVEN: A WOMAN clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars:”
Rev 12:5 “And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne.”
The man child is obviously Jesus and, therefore, the Woman is obviously Mary. Where is the Woman according to Scripture? In Heaven.
Yahusha went to heaven and saw no man there!
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.
No ‘man’ goes to heaven. Those such as Elijah, whom elisha saw taken up in a fiery chariot, Enoch, and others including the thief, were changed in the twinkling of an eye, and were no longer ‘men’ as we know them, but glorified sons of God at that time.
There is enough evidence as related on the matter in God’s Word, for one to believe that those whom He wills, are translated so as not to see death. It’s hard to reconcile the thief NOT being with Christ in the paradise of heaven on the day that they died, just as Christ said he would be. And Enoch, or even EliJah, riding a fiery ‘chariot’ skyward, only to be put on hold, resting in death.
I perceive for a certainty that, while man is certain about his understanding of God’s Word, God’s merciful exceptions surpass that understanding.
If any of us were to look up at Christ’s return, and recognize EliJah, Enoch, the thief on the cross, or any of a potential host of others riding with Christ at His arrival….
I can imagine thinking curiously, “how do I know what these Angels were named as men? And how is it that I recognize them now? What I can’t imagine, is scurrying back into the house to grab my Bible to re-verify the impossible.
With God, ALL things are possible, Let us be ever mindful of this iron clad fact.
Good Journeys
Gen 5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
See, it says “ALL HIS DAYS….” So he died.
Elijah was not taken up the 3rd heaven. 3 heavens are what the Bible talks about. He went into the sky (1st heaven) then returned to earth somewhere else.
As for the thief there is a misplaced comma in that verse and should of read of read something like this, “And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee Today, shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Gen 5:24 “And he walked with God, and was seen no more: because God took him.”
Of course Jesus is talking to the good thief on that day. He isn’t talking to him in the past nor in the future. The comma is not misplaced.
Trent —
Christ went DOWN into the Heart of the earth for three days.
He didn’t go to Heaven with the thief. He went to PARADISE — not the same thing, and the Bible makes it clear that Paradise is likewise in the heart of the earth — not in Heaven.
Attention to detail.
Yes, Jesus is the only one who ascended into Heaven. The Just are assumed into Heaven. Ascended = Raised Himself up. Assumed = Seized, or brought.
When the bodies of Christians are taken up to Heaven, then will rise incorruptible — that is, changed.
Read 1 CORINTHIANS 15:42-44
The four qualities Christians will be granted are subtlety, clarity, impassibility and agility — thus making them able to be inducted into the choirs of angels yet at the same time remaining human rather than being transformed into angels.
This topic is explained in great detail in LIGHT OF FAITH, THE COMPENDIUM OF THEOLOGY by St. Thomas Aquinas.
Matthew 24:51 tells us those who are taken will be cut to pieces and assigned a place with the hypocrites where there will be weeping and nashing of teeth.
This is reinforced by the parallel passages found in Luke 17 where it states that those taken will go to where the vultures gather over the dead bodies.
Pre-tribbers think those who are taken are saved but that isn’t how the Bible has it.
No one taken up to Heaven in the flesh, No one , It’s Truth and Some religions are lie about people from log time
Christianity is a pagan religion from Rome that has no ressemblance to Yahushua Messiah who was replaced with a new made up god of Hesus Horus Khrishna, I.H.S, Jesus H. Christ…..sun god worship with replacement of anything Hebrew, using corrupted Jesuit translation in all “the churches”. Far from the true faith of Yahuwshua and His Disciples.
Ever since I learned about ufology and cryptozoology, it AMAZES me that billions of brainwashed sheep will ridicule you about what has real evidence while they in turn are perfectly willing to believe texts written thousands of years ago worshipping dieties that may or may not exist, translated into various versions, almost pointless in their entirety. As I like to say with complex topics, AND YOUR POINT IS? What is the point of religion? To be saved FROM WHAT? Who is your friend and who is your enemy?
While spiritualism is probably real, religions are a distraction from higher truths meant to divide and conquer humanity into groups that keep splintering. To me there is only god, satan, good aliens, bad aliens. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line.
The difference, Godzilla, (leaving aside the argument that nature sings the creator God’s praises 24/7, 365) is an honest believer should be able to admit that there is a lack of empirical evidence that such an entity exists and that they rely on faith as the final and paramount piece of evidence.
On the other hand, in my experience, the great unwashed (heathens if you like) will twist and turn and foam at the mouth rather than admit that all historic evidence (as in before we started writing stuff down) is also a matter of faith. Have you ever tried to prove “evolution” or “the big bang” or “millions/billions of years” and if so were you able to recognize when you were left accepting the opinion (not facts) of some other person?
All of which begs the question why do the Atheists get to call their belief, in things unseen, “science” while the Theists are ridiculed for believing in fairy-tales? My point, my only point, is that we all (Atheists and Theists alike) believe in things that we do not know and can not prove but at least with the Bible things make sense after taking the leap whereas the alternatives just get weirder and sillier the more they are probed.
To get the ball rolling consider, if you will, that Darwin’s seminal work on “evolution” included his lamentations about the lack of missing links and a lack of single cell building blocks and how this would forever consign his arguments to the theoretical. Here we are some 150 years later and we still haven’t achieved resolution on these fundamental issues.
Consider also that the concept of a big bang falls flat when the 2nd law of Thermodynamics is taken into account whereby the chance of life spontaneously erupting is absolutely ruled out.
Finally consider the only evidence for millions/billions of years is steeped in 4 major assumptions that have to be accepted as a fait accompli before any sense can be made of radiometric dating methods. Now i don’t know about you, Godzilla, but from my perspective science isn’t to be based on assumption.
I could have tried to say the same thing a hundred times over and would never have put it so eloquently. You make some very good points.
I’ve had a bit of practice, brother, and some of those arguments have been refined over the last several decades while the rest were polished during the last 5 to 10 years.
The thing is, Clucker, i really don’t care what people believe because i’d rather they just not be ignorant. You see; the quest for truth is what brought me to Theism and i’m infinitely confident that anyone diligently applying sense, reason and logic, to serious quest for truth, will end up in exactly the same place.
60 odd books by more than 40 authors, all in agreement and without contradiction. Is there a school of science that can make the same boast. No, of course there is not.
We will be CHANGED from FLESH and into a non physical body when we are taken to Heaven and it will happen in an instant. Here is a breakdown from the Bible:
***1 Thessalonians 4:17***
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
***1 Corinthians 15:52-53***
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Of course FLESH won’t enter into Heaven, we will have a new body or as Revelation 3:4–5 puts it “garments” of White which represents a perfected being.
All religion is Bs to begin with, if you want to be spiritual fine, religion is just stupid. Spirit is personal, religion is indoctrination and mind control.
You got it right! Good job!
This once again is massive misinformation designed to make people accept and be happy with being miserable! The Bible, regardless of what some people believe, is nothing more than a cobbled together book by mostly unknown authors for the purpose of controlling people. That is an absolute fact and before you comment do some real research and find the truth! Quoting the Bible without verifying the facts is a sin in and of itself. This contributor is taking advantage of peoples ignorance and participating in the further manipulation of others so they will accept things as they are, simply because the Bible allegedly says so. Can it be that the elite were involved with the authorship and construct of the Bible and are merely following it like a plan to make the general public be submissive? Have you already been made of non-effect believing that Jesus will come down from the sky and save you at the last moment? Did you ever think that’s exactly what they want you to believe? Passive acceptance has allowed the powers that be to run roughshod over the Goyim for thousands of years. Perhaps it’s time to wake up. I suggest you reconsider due to the fact that you have been programmed to believe that the words of suspect men are actually God’s word. Do some real homework! Paul was never an Apostle appointed by Christ! Paul was and always remained a Pharisee spoiling the souls of the Gentiles! Jesus’s real message was corrupted and we wouldn’t be living like this if we had followed what He had actually taught. Please, for the love of God, learn some facts before posting any more non-sense that furthers the elites cause! https://seethechrist.com
“Jesus’s real message was corrupted…”
This false claim has been thoroughly disproven.
See the earliest papyri and manuscript evidence of the New Testament books. They reflect the same message our Bibles do to this day.
Facts, indeed. They are stubborn things.
Yes finally a christian who has dared to take the first step on the path of Truth . Boy am i curious how long it takes this one to reach the end of the road!!
the great lie is bible stating that there is a Christian God
I got visited by the God who authored the Bible in my home.
One of the reasons I quit going to churches is because so called “Christians” seem to be hell bent on arguing over petty differences of doctrine that in the end don’t change a damn thing.
If somebody accepts Christ and is right with God, what does pre trib, post trib, mid trib, pan trib, rapture, no rapture, apocalypse, or any other event along the way matter?
Keeping Christianity divided with such petty and pointless competition for “who is doing it right” does great harm to the promotion and spread of Christianity.
Doctrinal nit picking is exactly what was the downfall of the Pharisees.
As long as , after the shit hits the fan and the dust settles , or after I go through the process known as “death” , I end up on the right side of the fence, that is my main concern.
Everything else is academic. And academic is entirely a temporal issue.
If I am wrong about my personal opinion about all the nit picking issues, or if I decide not to take part in the competition to see who is “right”, I seriously doubt God is going to take points off.
there are no christians, all religions are nothing but cults, religious people are the most deceived people on the planet
I’ve seen some uninformed closed minded points of view in my rather long life, but yours takes the cake.
…and the devil’s greatest trick was convincing you he didn’t exist.
I think he out did himself when he convinced the overwhelming majority in this world that people evolved from swamp slime and grew eyes, hands and brains.
I would have thought convincing even one person to believe that nonsense would have been impossible.
Well, from where I’m sitting it looks like a ton of people believe that nonsense.
Science is clearly lacking on providing information on the matter, but the Scriptures seem to sum it up nicely and accurately. Somewhat vaguely, but that makes sense considering the changes in languages from that time till now.
Cintus
The devil has convinced people that other people think that people evolved out of swamp slime when those other people actu
Cintus
The devil has convinced people that other people think that people evolved out of swamp slime when those other people actually think that BOTH swampl slime and people BOTH evolved out of what went before them.
And so? What came before swamp slime?
let’s get a good roarin’ discussion going on this one, folks! This makes people get their bibles off the shelves, opened, and actually used. A welcome change in these last days of end times apostasy where nobody looks at the bible anymore….
for the other side of the discussion, go to Dave Reagan’s web pages on the subject. Yes, there are different, well-studied, well-researched views on the matter. So dig in!
http://christinprophecy.org/articles/the-rapture/
http://christinprophecy.org/articles/why-i-believe-in-a-pre-tribulation-rapture/
http://www.lightsource.com/ministry/christ-in-prophecy/the-pre-trib-rapture-under-attack-512319-full.html
It does no such thing. All it does is piss those of the atheist faith off and give them more to grimace about and inspire so called “Christians” to argue over who is “doing it right”.
The only clowns it inspires to run to their bibles are those whose lives are already immersed in proving THEIR brainwashing is better than the next guys brainwashing.
The few who actually read and know how to use the bible without relying on someone elses dogma already know what they think and don’t need to run to open a book.
what happened to you so that you are so bitter?
a little lively discussion and debate can be fun! You might even learn something.
There is nothing “bitter” about observing the damage done to Christianity by various cults claiming to be part of it do nothing but disagree with each other over doctrinal issues that don’t mean shit.
There is also nothing bitter about speaking out against the practice of giving God a bad name by repelling people from churches and specifically from Christianity with all the childish petty doctrinal disagreements about issues that the bible is not specific enough about to take any kind of hard line view of.
Jesus was pretty harsh on the Pharisees for that exact practice.
There is nothing to be learned from detrimental doctrinal bickering, there is everything to be learned from always considering the fact that personal doctrinal beliefs could be wrong.
Taking hard line stances on doctrine closes minds and inhibits learning.