Man Dies, Given Urgent Message From God and Comes Back to Warn the World! (Exclusive Video)
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When this man goes code blue and dies, what God shares with him will not only shake you up, but wake you up! His message has been featured on Rick Wiles, Z3 News, Tribulation Now Radio, A Minute To Midnite, and more! This is an urgent call from the heavens above to get ready FAST!
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There Is No Such Thing As ET’s
http://seansforum.freeforums.net/thread/95/thing-ets
I wrote about 1 encounter and 1 UFO encounter in the 1st Apple thread that is now MIA and will go over that again and add others to this thread as well as many other things
I am calling My people to intercession.
My children, you have no idea the value of your prayers for others. You have no real understanding of how lives are changed, eternities affected and disasters averted when you pray.
I am asking you now to lift others up to Me in your prayers, that their lives may truly be changed, as I am releasing an unprecedented anointing on your prayers of intercession in this time. An unprecedented anointing to allow you to touch heaven with your prayers like never before, to be heard like never before, to see changes in the world around you, and in your world, like never before.
Pray, My children, pray! Spend your extra hours and minutes on things that have eternal value like this, not on useless entertainments. Fill your hearts with worship for Me and lift up those who do not yet know Me in prayer that I may open their hearts and move their circumstances to become Mine.
The rewards for this are very great!
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123’s of true Christianity v popular & damnable heresies
(simply because you “confess” it does not mean you actually are, the devil has deceived many of his own children to believe they are Christians 2Tim 3:5)
#1 “ONE” not triune: THE ANTI CHRIST….WHERE? WHERE?….EVERYWHERE!!! …..IT”S YOU O TRINITARIAN!
“WHO” it was (what person) that came “IN THE FLESH”, IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHAT IT MEANS TO BE “ANT-CHRIST”! Even Islam claims Jesus was the Jewish messiah/Christ who was to come in the flesh) they all deny “WHO” it was (what person) that came (to be the Christ) in the flesh!?!…….To deny the father is to deny the son because they are one and the same person that came in the flesh! https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-6-anti-christ-where-everywhere-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card
JOHN 14: 8-20 where Christ specifically identifies himself (his person as the person of both the father and the HS; the only distinction is in “location” and “method of manifestation” …….Note Isaiah 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: …: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, … the everlasting Father ….The son, father/Holy Spirit are all the same person, NOT like two different persons working together even as “one flesh” ….The “oneness” between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man & his wife, for only a fool would say “When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?” Notice they asked to see THE FATHER and the response was Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip…..Now image some fool trying to claim that statement if you asked to see his wife!?!!? You want to see the FATHER but have I been with you but you don’t know me!?!?! https://www.scribd.com/doc/305367608/The-Trinity-Heresy
Jn 14 continued….…………..17. Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) whom the world cannot receive, .. for HE DEWLLETH WITH YOU, (present tense/standing next to them in the flesh) and SHALL BE IN YOU… (future tense “In them”) 18. I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Note: The spirit of Christ is the sprit of God and the holy spirit that is why Christ said “I will come to you” (to comfort them, because Christ is the comforter). The spirit was standing next to them in flesh… ….latter it would come to them to be inside of them (inside of their flesh as the spirit we are given)…..that is why. he would send the spirit…… However, Jesus himself here makes the point that the same person who was the HOLY SPIRIT that would come was standing next to them but lets them know “I will come to you again to be Inside of you”
The whole point to Gal 3:20.a mediator is NOT A MEDIATOR OF ONE, (HEIS) but GOD IS ONE. (HEIS) again, point blank, identifies the number of persons of God! The “but” points out the contrast between multiple persons in a mediation party v the “one” of God. God is not like a mediation party with multiple different persons. …..”the express image of his person” ( the person of God; singular not plural).Any attempt to lay claim otherwise is willful ignorance and delusional nonsense https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-1-echadechadmy-godgod-echad-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card
NOTE: don’t be that one in prov 26:12 over my use of the word “fool” here prov 18:13 (https://www.scribd.com/presentation/322007258/Fools ) “But but, the gospel of John…the Gospel of John …look look…” which is quite ironic since the gospel of John does not leave ANY room for multiple different persons of Jesus and father. However the gospel of John does leave a few verses that facilitate God’s promise in 2 Thess 2:11/ Isaiah 66:4 (take note of “HAND” in verse 2,14..You just can’t make this stuff up…God is surely laughing at these fools; Ps 2:1&4)
……Mark 12:28…Which is the first commandment of all? 29. …Hear, O Israel; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD: 30. And ………..this is the first commandment….. 31. And the second is…..
JESUS IS GOD AND IS THE FULLFILMENT OF ALL THE LAW AND PROPHETS SO IF YOU CAN’T GET THIS “FIRST OF ALL COMMANDMENTS” RIGHT, ALL THE REST OF YOUR “FAITH” AND PREACHING ON SIN IS MOOT
TRINITARIANS CONFESS JESUS /THEY ARE NOT POLYTHEIST BUT ARE MONOTHEIST LIKE A LIAR & THIEF WHO “CONFESS” THEY DO NOT LIE OR STEAL The simple fact is that just because you confess or deny that you are in an adulterous relationship and denounce all forms of adultery has nothing to do with whether or not it is in fact adulterous! .. …A rose by any other name is still just a rose AND calling it a water lily does not change the definition of what a water Lilly or a rose is either!…No, Trinitarians confess & preach literally …”ANOTHER JESUS” 2 Cor 11:4
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/part-2-pgs-91-101-chapter-eight-lets-talk-us-allen-daves?trk=mp-reader-card
- Like a thief in your house caught stealing your things insisting he was not there stealing “I CONFESS I am NOT stealing”. You just do not “properly understand” what he is doing/saying. Further, since you never had a “proper understanding” of what he is doing/saying you have no business accusing him since you do not even know what you are talking about in the first place. It is with and in your own ignorance that you base your “false accusations” & “ad homonym attacks” against him…… Ridiculous of course it is ……2Thess 2:11; Titus 1:16; 2Tim 3:5;
- A Favorite tool for pathological liars is to use incongruent definitions or create oxymorons out of synonyms such as “a person” and “a being” so as to claim that your god is THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS but ONLY ONE BEING: Which is (1) no different then trying to claim that “THREE DIFFERENT CARS” is “THE ONE VEHICLE” (2) blatant demonstration of the dishonesty & sorcery these children of hell will employ with “a strait face” (which is in part what it means to be a pathological liar)
……but, ah i remember how this game is played… “God is three in one” (or 1in 3 or 3in one et al) should have given you a hint, harking back to Satan in The garden…God said you will die…Satan comes along and states no you will be more WISE……today .God said He is one; but Satan’s children come along and say no three is more WISE and humble in the face of God’s grandeur only “a mystery” that can be understood “in faith”. God uses head and right arm to explain the distinctions between father and son.. However, the Trinitarian heretics say to the effect: “NO, that is just a figure of speech, or that is not what God really means. What God is really saying is that God is three different persons”. Fools, hypocrites and blind guides, God said he was One and by your traditions and vain imaginations have taken the words of God and made them of no effect, refashioning God into your image!
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#2 SECOND COMING Thou Fool! “I come quickly” so “Hold fast
till i come”… NOT …“in another 2000 yrs I might be coming soon any time now, so hold fast”!?! …those that deny the second coming of Christ in the war of AD70 are practicing a damnable heresy in denying the lord that bought them ( 2Peter 2:1-2 ;2Tim 4:8/ you cant love an appearing you deny& the context is the 2nd coming not the first)… Mat 7:23..”I NEVER KNEW YOU” …..Mat 10:33. But whosoever shall deny me before men……..sound familiar?…. If I said I am coming to your house in this generation when these things happen but no one knows the day or hour what fool would think I might be coming in 2000 years latter!?!? ..2 Tim 4: 4. And
they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES.
2Thess 2: 11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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#3 There is a sharp contrast between THREE groups :
(1) “PREDESTINED DAMNED” who were NEVER written in the book of life ………..Rev 17: 8 WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, …as contrasted …EPH 1: 4. According as he hath CHOSEN US in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD
(2) “MANY CALLED”= ONLY and ALL SAINTS (those who come to Christ) are written in the book of life … Philippians 4:3… ……Rev 21:27; (Only saints are Called and elect; Rom 1:6-7 et al) This is THE CHRUCH and ONLY these can have their names blotted out of the book of life ….….Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and CHURCH of the firstborn … WHICH ………are WRITTEN in heaven,
(3) THE FEW CHOSEN: Those saints who were alive in group #2 who are now physically dead. They died “faithful” these are the FEW that were chosen faithful…….Rev 3:5. ……; and I
will not BLOT OUT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, (Ps 69:28) …. These are the FEW that are CHOSEN and now that they have died and are saved then “once saved THEY CAN NEVER BE LOST”
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Hello Angle#2,
Charlie here. I don’t know how you guys get the L*rd to talk to you. He must have me on hold or something. But that’s OK because it forces me to read his manual instead and I end up fixing the problem myself. I guess He must be too busy talking to yuze guys.
Don’t you guys get a busy signal once in awhile or are you on paid subscription program with direct access? You know, the G*D PLAN??
I think I’m going on the Read-The-Manual Plan. It’s FREE and you are never put on hold.
Signed,
Charlie (you can use the saved money to buy doughnuts you know)
Hmm! Some of my work concludes that Jesus was born on March 31, 3 BC.
Based on some comments by a geologist, I begun updating my web page on Noah’s Ark. I made the first change on March 29, 2017. But on March 31, I realized what I missed regarding the sides of the Ark. that was that the sides of the Ark was made of a very thick trilaminate plywood covered with bitumen, or tar. There is a petrified sample of this wood recovered from the Ark find on Mount Cudi, one of the mountains of Ararat.. This is called kopher wood, not gopher wood. So on 31 March I updated my web page accordingly. I thought this was odd to happen on Jesus’ birthday. Anyway, for what it’s worth, here it is.
http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/NOAH.html
NOAH’S ARK – Verification of Alien Contact
Friend I’m pretty sure they didn’t have “trilaminate plywood” 2000+ years ago, heheh…
“Plywood has been made for thousands of years; the earliest known occurrence of plywood was in ancient Egypt around 3500 BC when wooden articles were made from sawn veneers glued together crosswise.”
http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/History_of_Plywood.html
Noah’s Flood was very close to 3195 BC.
So I guess it fits.
Thanks
You’re a satanic worshipping shapeshifter.
http://www.pharisees.org
This message is dead on. God also showed me through prayer that he is going to judge the Church. Those Churches that are a 501c3 Church needs to either turned down this beast system or he is going to close their doors. There is going to be a great shaking in these Churches. It could be a great scandal that will cause the 501c3 Churches to close their doors.
God has had it with the water down, feel good Churches. He said that the reason we have legal abortions which is nothing more than human sacrifice of pure innocent blood is because of the Church betraying Jesus for 30 pieces of silver(501c3) the beast system. He said the reason Churches are not speaking against the LGBTQ community and Islam is because of the beast system. They are allowing the government to dictate to them what they can preach and not preach. The government is forcing the Churches under the beast system to hire and marry Homosexuals.
I am not a homophobe. Phobia in its definition means to be afraid of. I am no way afraid of the LGBTQ community or Islam. God has not given me a spirit of fear but boldness and conviction and with the power of Jesus Christ Yaushua’s name I will rebuke, bind and send these demons that are possessing these people back to the pits they came from. We do not wrestle with flesh and blood but principalities and dark forces in high places. God has given us the power and authority with the name of Jesus Christ Yaushua to have victory over satan and his demons. We will trample on serpents and scorpions and have no fear. The victory that God has won, he will give us the same victory that he will be glorified.
If you belong to a Church that the pastor will not preach against abortion, the LGBTQ community and Islam get out now because they are apart of the beast system(501c3). It is better to start a home Church than be caught up in this type of Church. We need to get back to the fire and brimstone teaching. Accept Jesus Christ Yaushua as your Lord and Savior today, do not hesitate because we are not guarantee tomorrow.
I rather stand for God and Jesus Christ Yaushua and be judged by the world than stand with the world and the world beliefs and be judged by God.
Jesus’ died and came back to life on the third day was an indication of when Jesus would return, the Bible tells us a day to God is a 1000 years of Man’s time so if Jesus died in 30 AD then His return would be in 2030. Examples of this 1000 years for a day is God told Adam if he ate of the fruit he would die in that day but he lived to almost 1000 years and did not die on that Earth day he ate of the fruit. Consider this also the first 3 days and nights of creation did not have a sun and moon so God was using some other means of measuring day and night.
Hosea 6:2(NCV)In two days he will put new life in us; on the third day he will raise us up so that we may live in his presence
These 2 days are 2000 years of the New Life of the Holy Spirit, and this day that we are with Him is the 1000 year reign of Christ found in Revelation.
2000 years of the Holy Spirit brings us to around 2033!
But there is a 3 year discrepancy in the calendar which makes it 13 th April 2036.
Ummmm no. You inserted 30 years into the thousand and made a day 1030 years.
Nonetheless, I believe the END of this age is right about where you put it give or take a few years. This just means a few years.
I expect things to start changing drastically for this to come about.
Ummmm no.I did not insert 30 years,Christ died in the year 36 A.D.
Add 2000 years and voir la.
this is non sense because god does not exist. The hallucination/vision had been created by natural DMT creating near death experience, together with the data of their mind’s limitation, and together with the doomsday tension in politics.
When you have prove that He doesn`t,I will be glad to change my opinion.
the first law of thermodynamics is proof no gods exist – it proves the universe wasn’t created, so there can be no creator
but universal natural LAW isn’t proof now is it?
No it doesn’t retard.
I create my world.
However, the Laws of Thermodynamics, which science itself recognizes in its explanations of the phenomena in the Universe, were designed by the Chief Engineer. As expected, they prove to be in complete harmony with His existence, contrary to the claims of evolutionists. God, Himself, articulated these laws centuries ago. At the very beginning of the Bible, the First Law of Thermodynamics was expressed when Moses penned, “Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. And on the seventh day, God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done” (Genesis 2:1). After the six days of Creation, the mass/matter/energy creation process was terminated. As evolutionist Willard Young said regarding the First Law: “Energy can be neither created nor destroyed, but can only be converted from one form to another”. Through the hand of the Hebrews writer, God also articulated centuries ago what scientists call the Second Law of Thermodynamics: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands; they will perish, but You remain; and they will all grow old like a garment”
But you will probably say that they already knew the first law of thermodynamics 5000 years ago.
zanaelf, I can say that I am blood bought, spirit filled, on fire for God Christian. If I am wrong about God, I lose nothing. If you are wrong, then you send yourself to hell. God doesn’t send you,you send yourself. That’s God’s law, and I will say it again, Jesus said “I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE and no man comes to the Father but through ME”.
So unless you are a 100% sure, you are gambling with your soul. If you really want to know if he exist, why don’t you ask him to reveal himself to you, you might be amazed of what will happen. Talk to Jesus, that is the personal relationship he is looking for. May you accept the Lord Jesus Christ Yaushua as your Lord and Savior.
you’re WRONG – the tooth fairy is going to blight you with the worst toothache in ALL teeth for ALL TIME
accept the tooth fairy as your Lady & Saviour before it’s too laaaate
you’re trying to educate infants with FACTS – forget it, they will stick with their fairy-tales no matter what
From the the second video: SALT is also……a preservative ………to preserve truth, God’s creation and His ways on this earth.
Luciferianism is relentlessly working to turn everything in God’s Creation upside down, spoiling, corrupting and transforming everything into something ugly, diseased and ultimately death. SALT can and will prevent spoilage and corruption when applied.
In America, Christians have failed to preserve what God was attempting to establish through this nation.
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Amen Brother, Its time for God’s Army to arise.
“In America, Christians have failed to preserve what God was attempting to establish through this nation.”
So in other words God failed? Or, God was counting on Christians to do something He could not?
God doesn’t attempt to do anything. Whatever He wills to do, He does.
This nation is exactly what it is supposed to be.
God is Sovereign over all.
No Cintus……God didn’t fail…….those of us who claim to be Christians failed. And “yes”, God was hoping to see a better performance from His kids,…..and yeah, God does depend on people, including Christians, to get things done on this planet…….the whole Bible is replete with examples of that.
If what you claim is true, ” This nation is exactly what it is supposed to be.”, then we should all be in constant celebration about the state of our nation and the world……we should all be rejoicing for the pain and suffering that the victims of these Luciferian World Leaders’ endless wickedness produces……I mean that must be what this “Sovereign God” wills for those upon this earth, right ? All these wicked actions by these wicked people are then “the will” of this “Sovereign God” ? This “Sovereign God” is free to be evil if he so wills ? (I can answer that…Yes…however the God that I worship chooses to be consistently true to His nature, which is not “evil”). If God does evil when it suits Him then how can He be trusted ? If God can be evil when it suits Him then we should be able to be the same, right ? I mean, we should emulate our God (our Heavenly Father), right ? And those who are doing all of this evil are actually doing the will of God ? So if that is truth then why are we prosecuting them for the crimes they commit and not rewarding them instead ? (I know that the world seems to be rotating to that state of being)
If you have children…..do you deliberately put evil in their path to some how make them better people ? If evil is part of God’s will for us then what’s the point of this whole sick game ?
hmmm…….So we have no influence on future events ? We just get to pick which train to ride and then we sit back and strap in for the ride ? So then all the evil that is out there is ultimately “God’s Will” ?
I’m sorry Cintus, but this is one point that I can’t agree with you on and I will site the Jonah and Nineveh situation where we see that a man’s intervention clearly delayed the destruction of a city and it’s people.
If your perspective is the way things go down then why endeavor to do anything good because it won’t change the big picture one bit. Your perspective provides no reward for fighting the good fight of faith if everything is already laid out and predestined.
How then does faith work….faith being the “substance” of things “hoped” for and the evidence of those things not yet manifested.
Our choices and actions have to be able to affect outcomes other wise what’s the point ?
This whole “God doesn’t attempt to do anything. Whatever He wills to do, He does…..God is Sovereign over all.” (while I totally agree that those statements are true), is starting to sound a lot like the foundation that the Sabbatean / Frankist have built their perspective upon.
To tell you the truth, Cintus, your perspective is sounding very Sabbatean / Frankist.
Surely you are not of that perspective and tribe are you ?
“…God does depend on people, including Christians, to get things done on this planet…”
The way you say that makes it sound as if God needs people for anything. He does not.
“…the whole Bible is replete with examples of that.”
The Bible is replete with God USING people to serve His ends. Not with God depending on any of them for anything.”
“…that must be what this “Sovereign God” wills for those upon this earth, right ?”
You see it some other way? You imagine God wills this world to be other than it is, yet the world and its rulers are somehow able to thwart God’s will? Perhaps you need to think this thing through a bit more thoroughly. You are suggesting a very weak God. My God is all-powerful.
“This “Sovereign God” is free to be evil if he so wills ?”
He has said He creates all things – even calamity:
Isaiah 45:7
I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things.
Are those my words? Or His.
“If God does evil when it suits Him then how can He be trusted ?”
First distinguish between His doing and His creation’s doing. Then remember what Job said:
Though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him… (Job 13:15)
“If you have children…..do you deliberately put evil in their path to some how make them better people ?”
Our ways are not God’s ways. His ways are just. Our ways aren’t. Did God put the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil before Adam? or didn’t He. Was God perfectly aware all along that Adam would eat of that Tree? or wasn’t He. What you fail to consider is that God KNOWS what He is doing – and where this is all going – but we do not. I’m not asking you to judge God. But I am asking you to recognize that He is Sovereign over ALL. And I agree with Job that we should TRUST God in all things. No matter what He does, He always has the best interests of His children in mind.
“If evil is part of God’s will for us then what’s the point of this whole sick game ?”
You are asked by Him to overcome the evil that is within you. Rule yourself in His Name and submit your evil nature to His Word. You are asked to overcome. If you rule yourself as Paul did, then you will rule with Him when He returns. That is the point. The right thing for the right reason. Evil has a purpose. ALL things in God’s creation have a purpose.
“So we have no influence on future events ?”
I never said that. What I will say is this: any influence we have over future events, we were ALWAYS going to have. Therefore, our deeds were all known FROM THE BEGINNING (as it is written). They just aren’t known yet to us.
“We just get to pick which train to ride and then we sit back and strap in for the ride ?”
No. We do as He has asked us to do, or we do not. There is always freedom of choice.
“So then all the evil that is out there is ultimately “God’s Will” ?”
A B S O L U T E L Y. God’s permissive will allows for the wickedness we all witness.
“…the Jonah and Nineveh situation where we see that a man’s intervention clearly delayed the destruction of a city and it’s people.”
And that was ALWAYS going to happen. God knew that destruction would be delayed even before He created Jonah. God KNOWS THE END from the beginning. Nothing that happens in this world comes as a surprise to Him. He has seen all and He knows all. Now if that is the fact (and it most certainly is), then we are wise if we seek to understand the meaning. THAT is why I state, and I maintain, that this world is exactly what it was always meant to be. All is as it should be and God is in charge. (That’s not to say things wouldn’t be better for us right now if we’d all obeyed Him from the beginning. But we didn’t obey. And now we pay.)
“If your perspective is the way things go down then why endeavor to do anything good because it won’t change the big picture one bit.”
Not one letter will fall to the ground – all prophecy will be fulfilled, exactly as it is written. And since WE are ignorant of what the future holds, except inasmuch as we read and comprehend in prophecy, then we are DERELICT in our duties if we simply fail to do as God has asked us. We don’t know what will happen next. But God does. If we do as He has commanded, then we were ALWAYS going to do so. And if we rebel against His commands, then we were ALWAYS going to rebel. We will learn the truth of the matter only in time and in history. But God ALREADY KNOWS everything you and I will ever do in the future – and He has known since before the creation of the world.
“Your perspective provides no reward for fighting the good fight of faith if everything is already laid out and predestined.”
You need to rethink that statement. All is predestined. But as far as we’re concerned, it might as well not be since neither you nor I know what the future holds. But we do know God never asked us to quit. So if we quit because predestination is repugnant to our psyches, then we disobey God and will reap accordingly.
“To tell you the truth, Cintus, your perspective is sounding very Sabbatean / Frankist. Surely you are not of that perspective and tribe are you ?”
Please read my answers to you carefully and then judge for yourself whether I espouse doctrines of that nature.
Cintus…….you blew me out of the water with that rebuttal, my friend.
There’s not much here that I can dispute. ‘Tis a wise rebuttal. Excellent !!
You are in possession of a higher understanding than I. I’m not there yet. I’m still wrestling with issues as you can see. I’m not able to see the evil that I witness as being O.K. and somehow being God’s will. I still have a ways to go yet before I can be at peace with that.
By the way……the Sabbatean/Frankist remark was not intended as an attack, only as a bewildered question.
Knarlydawg,
Your attitude and your mind-set are most admirable, especially in the face of information which clashes so forcefully with your understanding. You take your place among the very few who are humble enough and wise enough to even consider information a fellow believer sets before you, information contradictory to your beliefs, and this bodes very well for your progress along The Way.
The simplest manner of looking at this world, and the manner which results in peace for our spirits, is to remember that ALL evil ultimately redounds to God’s good. ALL evil ultimately serves God’s purposes. EVERYTHING that happens in this world is working toward the fulfillment of God’s will. The god of this world will be thwarted. And as bad as things ever get in this world (and we are promised that things are going to get VERY bad), God is Sovereign over all and is ultimately and absolutely in charge of everything. A better reality than that cannot be imagined — most especially in this harsh world.
We work our way though these evil days in His service, or in despair of wickedness. And He teaches us that if we despair, it is because we do not trust in Him.
Trust in God, friend. All is as it should be.
Cintus…..tempted to turn this exchange into an article.
“Being Schooled”
‘..Being…’ is passive / receptive.
That’s not what you’re up to. You’re actively and purposefully pursuing. Which is what He asks of us. [Think of the disciples who sat and ate the bread and the fishes... after they had eaten, The Boss sent them on their way. They were passive / receptive only -- ready to sit and be schooled, but not active and pursuing like Peter and the boys, who did NOT get sent away but were taught the secrets.] Things always work out better when we do as He asks.
Just don’t forget about the trap we fall into with predestination re the doctrine of eternal punishment. It’s the bane of the Calvinist, and makes for very uncomfortable apologetics for any who wanderer down that road: If predestination be true, then how can a merciful God create beings He always knew would end up in eternal torment? Calvinists have a very tough time arguing their way around that very issue, which is as unfortunate as it is unnecessary. The only god who would do such a thing is a monster and is no friend to His creation. A god who metes out infinite punishments for finite crimes can never be a just god — and a god who creates beings he knows will end up in eternal torment can never be a loving god.
So if you’re going to take a hard look at predestination (which the Calvinists get partially right), make sure to consider God’s salvation and what it means for all of us (which the Calvinists get entirely wrong).
Knarlydawg
Why is evil not just limitation? Like the sin (original sin = mortality) of pride.
Is there an evil that is unlimited? That was not created a ‘creature’ of what it will never be (unlimited)?
Is this perhaps what you mean by your Frank remark? No worship outside of limitation?
oh look, the kids are playing with their fav fairy-tale again
Say.
Andy Boy.
Why is it you have no gumption for the long haul?
I mean, why are you so gutless that the only thing you’re any good at is drive-by-shooting.
Have you no stomach for the REAL?
Have you no spine for an actual DEBATE?
“Have you no spine for an actual DEBATE?”
Going off what I’ve witnessed in the past I would have to say the answer to that question is a firm “No.”
Then again, people surprise me everyday. Rack ‘em up Andy. It’s your turn to break… again. Just finish the game this time.