NASA, Huge Asteroid Coming Feb 15th!
(Updated Jan 11th)
Asteroid NEA 2012 DA 14, discovered on Feb, 23, 2012, is headed for our satellite belt on Feb 15th, 2013. The satellite belt if (a) they have the trajectory right, (b) they are telling the truth, and (c), if nothing alters it’s course. See next paragraph! This space rock is 45 metres (150′) in diameter and weighs 130.000 metric tons. It has the energy potential to create massive tidal waves that would hit all Atlantic coastlines.
The Lord has recently revealed to prophet Linda Newkirk that the space rock is going to be influenced by a ‘gravity pocket’ What this will do to the asteroid? He did not specify. It may speed it up, slow it down, or redirect it, only the Lord knows. What He did point out was that the exotic experiments they have been carrying out (Norway Spiral?) are effecting elements of space/time/gravity structures and creating anomalies such as gravity pockets. So in essence the evil experimental technology they have been playing with has a price tag attached to it, a very large one.
Here is a repost of numerous prophetic warnings (with some addons/edits) of what is soon to happen.
Jesus has been giving many people warnings in recent weeks, months, and years about an asteroid hitting the Atlantic Ocean. Prophet Linda Newkirk has received many revelations in recent days that indicate 2012 DA 14 may indeed be the Revelation 8 Burning Mountain! Of further importance as well, do not be set on a Feb 15 date, this event is in the Lords hands, He can speed it up, or slow it down, and He has said that no man will know the day or the hour. The mind of God is unsearchable and no one can ever figure him out. He can and does change His mind about certain things if people repent in great enough numbers.
Get your affairs in order now my friends, especially with Jesus, the Great Tribulation is about to roar to life! Chaos is about to be the order of the day. The Lord has made it clear that His Kingdom, and Satan’s kingdom are both coming forth at the same time.
Pastor Augusto Perez had an open vision last January 2012, where he knew he was in the Virginia Maryland area. Augusto saw that the people become aware of something happening out to sea, he looked out and saw something strange taking place in the water and was then suddenly taken up and out over the ocean where he saw a very large and a very deep hole in the sea. Augusto was able to see down to the sand of the sea bottom and he saw that the water was churning ferociously and he knew it was very ominous. He was then taken back to the shore and placed back on the ground where he began to feel the fear welling up within the people as they became terrified and started running all over the place. He was then taken to a higher location where He was able to observe the water come over the land causing great devastation.
Fall of 2005 (John Johnson, United States Prophecy)
I went into a deep sleep and had a dream I was on the boardwalk in Virginia Beach. It was night time and I think it was about 2:00 am. I put my foot up on the railing and was looking out over the ocean. There was what looked like a full moon on the horizon. I noticed just underneath the moon was a giant black wall on the horizon. The moon was reflecting white caps off the wall. As I stood there looking out into the Atlantic Ocean I realized that the white caps are from a massive tidal wave heading to shore. It was about 300 foot high. I felt the realization that it was too late to warn the people and the dream ended.
In the fall of the following year, 2006 I had the same dream again. In January 2008, I had the same dream except this time I started running to peoples houses to wake them up and warn them, but it was too late.
(The following hit Steve Quayle’s site on Dec 12, 2012)
Hi Steve,
My name is Mari. I wanted to share with you a dream I had last night. I dreamt there was what I thought was a ghost in my house, I was battling with it (I was afraid) trying hard to cast it out in Jesus name, it wouldn’t go at some point I stopped struggling with him long enough for him to ask me “Why do you cast me out in the name of whom I come?” It was not a ghost, but an angel.
All I could do was listen and a peace filled me and he said “I bring for you a message.” And he pulled out a scroll. As he unrolled it I saw a picture of a horse. The horse was in a running stance, determined. (The white horse in Rev. I believe) under his picture was words written in Hebrew I could not read.
He unrolled the scroll further and there was the first trumpet and under it words written in Hebrew. Again he unrolled the scroll further and I saw a second horse. It was angry, reared up on his hind leg punch the air with his front hooves (the second seal, the second horse, the fiery red one) and under him were words written in Hebrew.
One more time he unrolled the scroll and I saw a picture of a second trumpet and under it words written in Hebrew. I looked up I could not speak but the question in me asked what is this and the answer came to my heart in unspoken words “It is where we are at; it is NOW!” when I awoke The Lord lead me to Rev chapter 5 and I read from there through the trumpets and understood what I had dreamt. M.
(I do not know who the person is that received the following dream, or the date)
In my dream I heard someone yell, “Gabriel is blowing the trumpet!” and then after this, I saw a huge meteor or asteroid (not sure what the difference is between meteor and asteroid) coming down to an ocean (it was flying from the right side)…it looks like the Atlantic ocean with tall buildings and skyscrapers…it looks like it could be New York (but that’s just my opinion). I saw the deep impact of the meteor hitting the ocean. Then there was a great earthquake and then I saw graves/coffins popping up everywhere. I ask the people around me, “Is this the rapture?” and I woke up.
(I am only posting excerpts of Kato’s lengthy visions, please note that Wormwood is the third trumpet, not the second trumpet, Wormwood will come later and it may hit the Pacific)
The Wormwood Star Visions Given To Kato Mivule June 27, 2005
As I was seeking the Lord through prayer and fasting through this past May 2005, The Lord showed me a powerful vision. I was taken to the heavens above the earth and I could see the earth in a distance not so far but clearly. Suddenly I heard a very loud sound and vibration with a very heavy zoom sound coming my way, hundred times louder than that of a Boeing 747 Jet.
I then saw a very huge rock almost the size of the moon zooming past me at a very high speed with a large tail of fire besides and behind it. In The vision I was made to feel the waves of vibrations and the heat it generated that hit me but I was protected. It was like someone was holding me by my collar and snatched me out of its way to a safe distance. I then could see other splintering rocks falling of this huge burning object and catching fire themselves.
I looked where it was headed, I knew it was headed for planet earth and thought well, I hope it lands in the ocean, not many people will die. However, it seemed targeted to the ocean and the United States. I was like, no Lord no! However, it kept its course targeting the ocean and the United States, it seemed as though someone was controlling its path unhindered and sure to hit its target. The vision ended. I shared the vision with a Prayer Warrior Sister who then told me I had a vision of Rev 8:10-11.
(Note by Mark, she was wrong, he was seeing Rev 8;8 not Rev 8;10 You will see from the following vision he received that there are two different events and Kato mistakenly calls the first object Wormwood)
Angels High Tech Room… (Kato)
I was then taken to a room where I saw men around some very high tech gadgets with screens that looked more like flat screen computer panels…but this was very high tech, technology I have never seen before…I knew the men were angels, they were all dressed in white robes and they turned on one flat screen panel and showed me the trajectory of the Wormwood star, then I was shocked to look and behind Wormwood was another star following the same trajectory, just few distance behind Worm Wood and again headed for the Ocean and the United States…they all seemed to have the United States in their path…
At Chiefs Football Stadium…(Kato) (Do not pay attention to the fall timing of the event Kato saw, the Lord has spoke often of delaying events)
I was taken to the Chiefs Football Arrowhead Stadium, here in Kansas City. I knew it was fall and the beginning of the Football Season. In the Vision it looked like evening and the stadium was parked to capacity with everyone putting on their red Chiefs outfits, the stadium was all red as it is normally here with Chiefs games in Kansas City.
The game was going on as usual and suddenly there was a very huge loud bang in the sky…and then a huge object I had seen previously in my May vision lit the sky with red fire and zoomed passed across the sky…with very power vibrations that threw everyone off their sits and shook the stadium…
Everyone in the stadium begun to scream and go hysterical, and run too and fro but could not leave the stadium. The huge ball of fire flew from the east across to the west. I knew it was Wormwood. The Stadium officials seemed to have had a clue about the coming disaster but did not warn anyone and also they locked the stadium doors and no one could go out.
I then saw something amazing, people begun to fall on their knees and pray to God, they knew they were going to die anytime soon. I even saw young toddlers who had come to the game with their parents praying too.
I was then taken back to the blockbuster place and people saw the object and heard the band and vibrations but seemed not to care about it, some said, “ I will die watching a movie”…
Debris more destructive than 2004 Dec Tsunami… (Kato)
After this, I was shown the debris and damage floating all the way on the Atlantic ocean like the force of the moving star caused the debris of destroyed buildings to float all the way from Europe and dumped it at the east coast of America with more excessive damage…I remembered the Tsunami, it looked like very small compared to the Wormwood damage… (Mark note, once again Kato erroneously calls the object Wormwood)
The following dream was recently sent into Steve Quayle….
October 15th 2012 , My dream started with me visiting people at their homes, during the night time I notice noise was outside, so I walked outside and it was a night sky with stars , that where very clear to see, then all of a sudden I saw these Angelic beings by the thousands of thousands flying through the sky but yet they were close enough to see. So in amazement I shouted towards them “ARE YOU ANGELS”.. they would not answer me, then as I was watching I heard this Loud noise as of a Huge explosion in the heavens as of Thunder and out of that noise came Hundreds of meteorites that came from the Sky, and before they landed and hit the earth they were coming down as Fire balls of rock.. and exploded on the earth causing great and terrible damage to the earths surface, People where running around trying to find places to hide but really there wasn’t much room or places for them to hide.. massive quakes started as they hit and massive explosions of fire came as a result from them hitting. Then I woke up.
(Mark note, the man asked if they were angels and received no reply, it may be that they are wedding guests or first fruits, going to, or coming back from the wedding of Matthew 22)
Linda Newkirk prophecy May 31, 2012
But, I tell you now that the foundations of the earth shall be shaken! The earth shall rock! It shall be moved exceedingly. The heavens shall be moved! Back and forth, they will go! The deeps of the earth and the deeps of the oceans shall sigh! They shall move! The stars will be moved! Yes, moved exceedingly!
And, eyes, which can see, will see My hand in all things! For, in the heavens come lights and bodies, which did not previously exist! A dread is upon the planets; for there comes a great upsurge in My power, a great tearing, a great splitting in the heavens! In the cosmos, bitter signs! Two suns! Now, three lights! All foreboding of a terrible upheaval in the earth! A splitting and a cracking! Terrible cracking in the earth! Waves so high! Terrible waves, with some thinking that the waves are as high as the sky!
Oh, so dreadful are the days, which are upon the whole earth; and My hand is outstretched still. What is your choice, oh you wayward ones? Will you love money until death? Will you love the world and what is in it until your death?
Will you remain a slave to the flesh? Will you continue to worship the flesh and all of its earthly pleasures?
I tell you that there comes a snap, a very great snap, like a lightening snap and this snap of light will beat earth! It will burn the earth! It will burn it and will cut deeply into the earth.
A fury! Yes, a fury in the earth! And, the power will blink and fail! Oh, what a tale to tell! A blinking! A dread! So terrible, indeed; for those in the world would not heed My word! They would not listen! They would not obey Me! And, in the dark, they will ponder their choices!
Oh, so great shall be the calamities and the lawlessness, and the violence and the gang warfare! Every man for himself! Every wicked deed, no longer in secret, but open and revealed!” (end excerpt)
To see some amazing photos of these lights that our Saviour speaks of visit markbrander.blog.com
Linda Newkirk prophecy January 2006 (Space Rock hits Atlantic Ocean)
Collision in the Spirit
I heard a very loud noise in the spirit realm and when I looked I saw a very dark wall. This wall was so close that I could almost touch it if I reached out to do so. When I asked our Saviour what I was seeing, He told me that this great collision is the collision of great darkness, which is upon the whole world. I asked Him what He meant by this and He told me great wars, spread of terrible diseases, famines, great upheavals in the Earth and great loss of life will come out of this great collision of darkness!
The Flaming Rock
I looked out in space and I saw a very large rock, which is now headed toward the Earth. It is a monster! Then, I looked in the Spirit and saw this great flaming rock again and it was soaring through the atmosphere! It fell in the Atlantic Ocean and appeared to fall just south, to southeast of Bermuda. At that moment, I knew that when this great rock falls, it will cause tidal waves, which will inundate Florida and may very well cause the great flooding, which I have seen in Arkansas.
For about two months, during this past summer, as I travelled the country roads of Faulkner County Arkansas, I repeatedly saw water in the valleys over the tops of the houses and well up the trees. This was a shocking sight; and I knew that this could not be far off! I do not know when this giant space rock will hit, but I do not believe that it is far off. I am left wondering if the militaries of the world will hit this rock with weapons and blow it apart, with pieces of it falling in different parts of the world. The rock in space appeared bigger than what I saw falling into the Atlantic, but still this rock, which I saw falling into the Atlantic, is very large!
Will the falling of this rock set off the New Madrid Fault and possibly others as well! When this rock struck the ocean, I saw the Earth open up and crack in the above vision! (end of Linda’s post)
As I was writing this post today Linda called me and informed me that she had just heard from the Lord. The Lord confirmed to Linda that He was indeed finishing up preparations for the wedding and that the wedding is very imminent.
Jesus also confirmed there is going to be an enormous explosion of light in the heavens and that it is going to tear up many things and cause a lot of damage in the earth.
(Linda received the following info on Aug 26th 2001 it can be found in Book 7, chapter 7)
“Father, how long?”
“When the sea implodes with the ‘burning star,’ that is when.”
“Is this when I shall take your word into China?”
“This is when you will pass through the open door. Now, proceed.”
(The Lord has been showing for weeks now that, ‘that door’ is now open!)
(The following was given to Linda back in 2002. Caution, this does not necessarily confirm a date for the space rock, it appears to be about the Sun and the power coming into the Manchild. It is plausible however that this solar event may cause a gravitional effect on other objects, such as space rocks.),
excerpts from Book 8 Chapter 16 Prophecies Org
“My Child, you have come to Me this morning asking for understanding of certain calamities, which are coming into the Earth.”
“Yes, my Father and I asked you if you would also make these revelations known to Your people.”
“Yes, My Child, you asked about the date of 2012 and the ancient knowledge of December 21st and 22nd of this year as the ‘end of Earth.’”
“Yes, my Father, I have wondered about this for some time and whether this date is more occult mumbo-jumbo. But, the more I learn of it, the more I read of it, the more I wonder if it is significant.”
“My Child, over and over I have told you that all is not set in stone; but that much depends upon the actions of mankind on this planet.”
“Yes, my Father, You have said these things.”
“Over and over, I have pleaded with you to repent; for through repentance you can change both the timing and the severity of the tide of these events.
“So, My Child, as I showed you, energy from this central sun is traveling into this system via the very large door within the heart of the sun and it is accelerating what already is there, and darkness will be accelerated toward destruction, and light accelerated toward its source. Understand?”
“Yes, my Father.”
“Now, as I have shown you, at some point in time, a final wave will rush through the very heart of this sun. You have seen the date as it has been written millennia ago, … December 21st and 22nd, 2012.”
“Yes, my Father, and my question has been, ‘Is this so?’”
“And, My answer to you is this. If mankind continues in the same destructive course without serious repentance, this will come to pass.”
(Mark Brander note, the Lord has told Linda in recent weeks that this event has been delayed by some days and weeks, it is indeed imminent)
Excerpt from ‘Heavenly Waterwheel’ vision given to Susan O’Marra Feb 2012, This vision is related to certain events in Revelation 8 and also Revelation 12, being quite familar with Linda Newkirk and the story of Revelation 12, I assure these events are extremely imminent)
(Susan’s lengthy ‘heavenly waterwheel’ vision is a very mysterious and is hard to understand unless you are aware of the story of Revelation 12 and the truths about the Holy ‘Manchild’. Though not even understood by O’Marra herself, the waterwheel and the fiery cloud coming together in the vision represents the Manchild coming into his great power and glory which is the Kingdom of God coming into the earth (Rev 12). The vision also clearly links certain events in Revelation 8 to the timing of the wedding in heaven and the judgement associated with the blowing of the second trumpet and the space rock of Rev 8; 8)
Here are some excerpts…
Suddenly the cloud became still. The tempest grew silent, the voices ceased. I also stopped moving. The wheel was still in the cloud, but nothing was happening now. The wind stopped blowing. The air was still thick and heavy with moisture. There was silence everywhere. It was almost eerie. My hair began to stand up on my arms and neck. It was awesome as I waited to see what would happen. Something was happening in heaven. I could feel the anticipation of heaven itself. I waited with my heart pounding. All of a sudden I heard the sound of a door opening somewhere. I could hear the door moving as it opened in it’s casing. There was an inrush of air as if the door hadn’t been opened for awhile.
(Linda saw this door in a vision last night (mid December) and she also saw the Lord preparing to open the door)
Suddenly I was in a room in heaven. I saw many angels busy moving about gathering various things from the tables and cabinets in the room. The room was brilliant and the tables and cabinets gleamed. The angels were very serious, and concentrated on their task. I saw that one angel has a flask and it looked like it has fire burning within it. Another angel had a blue bottle and it looked like water in that one. Another angel has a long tube-like container and it was filled with a golden liquid, which I then knew was oil. Next to that angel stood a smaller angel and this one has a bowl and in it was blood. All 4 angels were carefully holding their containers and moving towards the door with them. I watched them curiously. I wondered where they were going with them.
Rev 8; 5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.
“Come and see.” I turned, and an angel stood there smiling at me. I followed him as he went before me through the door out into a large open area. There were multitudes of angels, and saints, and beings and they were all gathering here to participate in something. I didn’t see the Lord, but I could feel him. The angel stopped and turned and waved his arm towards the group who stood with their various vessels. I then saw another angel then come and he held a very large bowl and he came up to the group of angels and he held his bowl out towards them and one by one, each angel poured their container into this large bowl the angel held. The containers all mixed in the bowl and when it did, the result was astounding. The bowl literally exploded. Great ripples seemed to break out through the atmosphere itself. I thought that heaven would be split open by it’s intensity. The bowl shook and flames leaped out as if to engulf anyone near it. But the angel holding the bowl was calm and only smiled.
He then walked over to an area and there was a ledge. He smiled at all of us, and he then poured the bowl out into the sky and the contents blasted and roared and poured downwards. I ran over and looked down to see where the contents went. I saw that below the place we were in the heavens, was the cloud below us and the wheel within that cloud. Evidently the mixed contents were going to hit that cloud. As I watched, suddenly from behind me a great wind blew past me and leaped downward after the mixture that was speedily lunging towards the cloud. The wind caught up with the mixture and when the wind hit it, it broke up into a million flames that fell violently downwards. Each little flame had the wind within it now. Millions of flames that roared with a great wind within them.
I watched flames hit the cloud and when they did a great storm broke out as the cloud was filled with wind and fire and blood and oils, and water. Suddenly shouts and singing and laughter, and prayer broke forth from within the cloud and it exploded like a volcano. When it did this it poured live molten lava or a fiery rain and poured down over the waterwheel that was in the cloud. The wheel spun and roared as the liquids fiercely flowed over it and raced towards the earth below. I was so excited by this that I wanted to see what happened when it hit the earth. Suddenly I found myself back where I was hovering in the sky watching the fiery rain coming from the turning wheel ever so much closer to the earth. I could still hear the shouts, and singing, and laughing and prayers within each drop. It was amazing! Each drop had it’s own voice, and wind within it.
The flood of waters were churning even more as they raced towards the planet below. It seemed like the earth began to anticipate it’s nearness because it began to shake and to vibrate with the same intensity that the approaching flood had. I could see that the people on the earth were shaken by the quaking and many were awakened by this upheaval. The closer it got the more the waters increased. It almost looked like one massive wave of churning brilliant lights and colors and sounds all flowing within itself. The earth began to have earthquakes and storms below. The very atmosphere of the earth was reacting to the flow from heaven. The atmosphere was charged with electricity. Most of the earth’s people ran and hid where they could because of the upheavals in the earth and the storms.
I could see some people did stand outside to see what was happening. Suddenly I was also standing among those on earth. I was also looking up with them. I could not see the rains yet, but I could feel them as they neared. The people around me grew quiet, and they suddenly many of them fell to their knees. Many were singing, some were shouting, some were laughing, and all were crying. I looked back just in time to see the most awesome sight. The waterwheel was just above the earth and the storm of water, blood, fire, and oil was a massive wave of roaring, pulsating life was just about to hit us. I began to shake almost violently now, and everyone was shaking too. I began to burn inside and it felt like burning love filled me. I could actually feel wind blowing inside of me. I felt alive, and bubbling inside like I had never felt before. I looked at my hands, and oil was coming out of them. I looked up and the massive wave hit us that were watching. -The vision ended.
PS If you live in proximity to the Atlantic Ocean you may soon die if you do not get out of harms way. You need to understand that all of your sins are imprinted upon your soul and that you will have to pay a terrible price in hell for every single one of them. The churches have lied about salvation. Yes Jesus died for our sins but we are not forgiven them unless we bring each and every one to Him in sincere repentence, on our knees with great remorse. Turn to Jesus now and repent of every sin you can possibly think of, make a list if need be. Forgive others, many have been seen suffering in hell because they would not forgive others. Visit spiritlessons.com and read of the dozens of testimonies of hell, it is a very, very terrible place. I have been a terrible sinner myself and have been working out my salvation before the Lord for a long time. It takes work my friends.
Mark Brander
Canada
This corresponds to the prediction of Courtney Brown and Cliff High. They have solid evidence of a global coastal water event in 2013, before June 1. They also say that it is not a tsunami but rather a standing wave, much bigger than a tsunami, caused by water displacement. Water will reach Mt. Kilimanjaro which is 200 miles from the ocean. The building housing the US Congress will be completely destroyed by water. They see people outside cooking over open fires and no sign of any transportation or government intervention. They chose 9 global coastal sites and were looking for small changes for 2008 vs 2013 in climate change, with their remote viewing project. They were floored when they saw incredible devastation in 2013, that appeared to be caused by a massive global coastal water event. Visit farsight.org
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCwzNdbhBKs
“They have solid evidence of a global coastal water event in 2013, before June 1.” What evidence is that? Delusional visions of messages from God? That is solid evidence to only the deranged funadmentalists.
Pray that this is the case for we all know what it means. his coming is hastening.
What do you mean pray that this is the case? Do you look forward to the death and diseases that this would bring with great anticipation just because you think you won’t be here and Jesus is coming. Search your heart for God does not look forward to this day, it is only that it must come in its time. Woe to you who would look on these things with a light heart to hasten the day of the Lord; a time of death and destruction, disease and great harm to people of all nations. This is not a day to hasten, though we all want Jesus to hasten his return, this day is not a welcome day.
Though I wish the Lord would come tomorrow, I am torn, for I wish these days would never come. Our praying will not bring them about. God’s word will bring this when His time is right.
Same old people getting exciting about the same old stuff.. doesn’t get old does it. Even if nothing happens.. you erase it from memory and there will something else to get excited about and when that doesn’t happen there will be something else.. and it continues forever.. and ever.. and ever.. and ever.. and ever.. and ever.. and ever..
Someone has to make a movie about you people.. it would be a comedy of course. And it has to begin with ‘The Lord..’ 
More Bible related nonsense. It’s a story, not something to base visions off of. To think about having to go through what we are going to have to go through in this country with a bunch of brain dead Christians always waiting to be “raptured” or waiting for “Christ’s” return is going to drive me nuts. No-one is coming to save us we’ll have to save ourselves.
You are right in that no=one is coming to save you, because of your unbelief. However, He most certainly is coming for those who believe. I only hope you have a change of heart before that day comes.
Everything will come in its time and many false prophets will come first to try and lead you away from the truth. The writters of the article above may be one of these. However, scripture is vey easy to prove, if you dare to look.
The EU with 10 full members and its 7 year covenant signed on Jan 1, 2007, Islam and Jihad, the Catholic Church and all of the abominations they would accomplish, the US ith their power and the verachip, the many false “Christian” religions, knowledge abounding in the final years as compared to the dark ages, the list goes on and on, were all spelt out by the prophets of the bible. Don’t stick your head in the sand.
The asteroid that is described in scripture should not hit until mid summer at the earliest or as far away as spring 2016. The reason is as follows:
A 7 year covenant has to be signed first. Daniel 9:27. This was done on Jan 1st, 2007.
Then there is a period of 2300 days to the time the abomination is set up and the courtyard of the temple mount is given over to the gentiles. Daniel 8:13-18 This 2300 days will end on April 17th 2013 based on the date the 7 year covenant was confirmed.
Then the armies will surround Jerusalem, Luke 21:20. The short great tribulation will begin for the Jews in Judaea. Immediately after those days the word will cry peace and safety because the threat from Islam against Israel will end.
Then the asteroid will hit; the one described in scripture in Revelation 8.
The short time that the tribulation takes place could be anywhere from 6 months to 3 years. The beast of Revelation 13 begins his 3 1/2 year reign over Israel when the abomination is taken away. But the beast who ascends from the pit only reigns for the last 5 months of this final 3 1/2 years. Then will come Armageddon.
Watch and pray.
Everything you said above is a lie. You are the one who seems to be the false prophet CWHJr.
I have always thought & felt that the 23rd May, a week before my birthday a big event will occur. I have seen myself in Queensland, with other ppl sheltering from the twilight at noon effects in a cave that may have had a creek flowing throught it at some time. But I really don`t feel that it is this year. Maybe something else will happen & what I visioned will happen another year. I have not seen anything re USA coastal areas, not to say that will not happen.. I just have not seen that in any visions.
Are these threats real ?…. Any people still left in the Atlantic….. Or just the UN team to welcome the arrival of the asteroid & the people living on it…..
Hmmmm…. It is interesting…. all the aliens arriving with the asteroid are soon going to be US Citizens……
Thanks for the update….. and I appreciate the ALL REAL GOOD QUALITY TEXT written here….. Thanks…..
Even I would like to share my vision…..
In spirit, I traveled to the Messiah….. It was about 2000 years back….. I had traveled back in time…..
Earlier, I had traveled to the time-periods of the messiahs from different faith…. and the journey had been fantastic….. and had returned with cosmic consciousness of many beings…. The beings from the past, did appear as aliens….. some were nice & truly nice….. and few had scared us…
And I had taken few gifts from the mall for them…. in the hope, that they might appreciate it…. and they did…..
After some time, One of them….. And I heard no trumpet…. for they were too busy with their smoke…..
I asked them for information & some messages….. for myself & for others…..
And there were signs everywhere….. PLEASE DO NOT DISTURB pasted everywhere…. DON’T EVER WAKE & RAISE US UP….. DON’T EVER MESS WITH US….. DON”T EVER FORGET TO FEED THE BIRDS IN THE MORNING….. WATCH YOUR MOVES, WE DON’T WANT YOU CRUCIFIED….. WE WANT YOU TO RETURN TO YOUR TIME-ZONE…. DON’T EVER COME BACK, COZ YOU HAVE EVOLVED…. DON’T EVER INVITE US INTO YOUR LIVES, AND DON’T SPRAY US WITH PESTICIDES…. LEAVE US ALONE….
And the last one said…. THANKS FOR YOUR ARRIVAL, YOU SPEAK ENGLISH….. NOW YOU MAY RETURN….
Out of courtesy, they handed out few pieces of text printed on a CANON printer….. I still have them with us….
Do leave your email IDs…. if you wish to have them….
I Write this thing here, just to share….. The press would never publish this…..
Nor should the press ever publish this, and why would they? What the hell are you talking about? Sounds like you’ve been busy with your own smoke…LOL!! So tell us more about the gifts from the mail that you took for them….and the Canon printer! As far as the signs go…you forgot to mention the one that said “CAUTION…WET FLOORS!”
While few are going up with Jesus who Saved them – most will be going down with the Disaster that comes!!!
I only read the first two paragraphs. I don’t buy into all of the “doomsday” prophecies. So far, by my count, none of them have been right.
But let’s just say that this asteroid DOES in fact impact in the Atlantic Ocean. Scientifically, you can figure out what would happen.
For starters, here is the datum needed to calculate this.
The average depth of the Atlantic Ocean is 3,340 meters. Though the depth varies from 0 meters at shore to 8,380 meters in the Puerto Rico Trench. I’ll stick with the average for running the numbers.
The distance from the impact used, to keep things simple, is 1,000 km. This also places the impact roughly closer to shore than in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.
Having not looked up the type of asteroid it is (porous, dense and rocky, or solid iron), here are the densities for each:
The average density of a porous body is about 1,500 kg/m^3.
The average density of a dense and rocky body is about 3,000 kg/m^3.
The average density of a solid iron body is about 8,000 kg/m^3.
Typically, asteroids impact the earth at about 17 km/s. The slowest it could be going is 11 km/s. The highest velocity for an object orbiting the sun is 72 km/s. Again, I’ll stick with the average.
Impacts also usually occur at angles around 45 degrees to the surface. It is possible that it could occur at 90 degrees, though highly unlikely. So, yet again, I’ll stick with what is statistically most likely.
The biggest variable in these equations is the density of the asteroid.
First, here is what would happen with a porous body at 1,500 kg/m^3.
At an altitude of 72,500 meters the asteroid will begin to break up. It will reach the surface of the Atlantic in a broken condition at a velocity of 4.59 km/s and release an energy of just over 6 Mega tons. The ellipse created by the broken debris will be roughly 1.17 km long by 0.83 km wide.
At impact, the lowered velocity will create no thermal radiation. There is simply not enough velocity to lead to mass vaporization of the water and no fireball will be created. It also will not register on the Richter Scale at your location and no shaking will occur.
The impact would be able to be heard from 1,000 km away. Just under an hour after the impact, the pressure wave will reach you, carrying the force of 0.000993 bars and a wind velocity of .234 m/s. It would be heard at around 40 dB, which is comparable to the sound of a loud whisper or refrigerator compressor.
Here comes the tsunami! The tsunami would reach you, at 1,000 km away, in about 3.9 hours following the impact. The wave amplitude would be a staggering 19.5 cm. Yikes!
Now time to extrapolate what would happen with a dense and rocky body at 3,000 kg/m^3.
At an altitude of 54,000 meters the asteroid will begin to break up. Because of the lower altitude the decay begins, the body will also be able to carry a higher velocity with it when it impacts. As such, it will reach the surface of the Atlantic in a broken condition at a velocity of 12.3 km/s and release an energy of just over 8.5 Mega tons. Also, because of the lower altitude of break up, the ellipse created by the broken debris will be much smaller than that of a porous body, measuring roughly 0.82 km long by 0.58 km wide.
At impact, the lowered velocity will create no thermal radiation. Just as in a porous body, there is simply not enough velocity to lead to mass vaporization of the water and no fireball will be created. At your location, the impact would most likely register on the Richter Scale, though it will be barely perceptible as the magnitude would still just over zero.
The impact would be able to be heard from 1,000 km away. About 50 minutes after the impact, the pressure wave will reach you, carrying the force of 0.00242 bars and a wind velocity of .571 m/s. It would be heard at around 50 dB, which is comparable to the sound of a quiet office or normal conversation.
Better grab your surf boards for the tsunami! The tsunami would reach you, at 1,000 km away, in about 2.8 hours following the impact. The wave amplitude would be a staggering 73.5 cm. That would surely do some damage to coastal structures, but hardly inundate anything or ruin civilization.
And finally, we end with the behemoth: the solid iron body at 8,000 kg/m^3.
At an altitude of 14,200 meters the asteroid will begin to break up. Because of the lower altitude the decay begins, the body will also be able to carry a higher velocity with it when it impacts. As such, it will reach the surface of the Atlantic in a broken condition at a velocity of 16.6 km/s and release an energy of just over 419 Mega tons. Also, because of the lower altitude of break up, the ellipse created by the broken debris will be much smaller than that of a porous body, measuring roughly 0.36 km long by 0.26 km wide.
This impact final carries enough momentum to create a fireball upon impact. It would easily vaporize millions of gallons of seawater. Despite this, at 1,000 km away the fireball will be well below the horizon and no direct thermal radiation will be felt by you. This impact would also register on the Richter Scale at your location, having a magnitude of about 3.2. More sensitive people may feel this, but that’s still in the range of only detectable my seismic equipment.
Again, the pressure wave from the blast reaches you in about 50 minutes. It will carry with is a pressure of 0.00415 bars at a velocity of 0.977 m/s. The sound will be just over 50 dB, which is comparable to the noise of heavy traffic or laughter.
I hope you have your ark built, because the tsunami is on its way! The tsunami would reach you, on the shore of the Atlantic 1,000 km away, in about 2.2 hours following the impact. It would have a wave about 1.8 meters tall. Again, surely doing damage to coastal structures and possibly some further inlaying buildings, but nothing that civilization would be incapable of rebounding from.
In summary, no. From a scientific standpoint, this asteroid, even if it were to impact the Atlantic Ocean, would hardly be the end of civilization. Though, I do admit, it wouldn’t be great to be directly underneath it at impact.
Want to try some calculations for yourself? Feel free to use the http://impact.ese.ic.ac.uk/ImpactEffects/ tool! I just explained it out in more understandable terms for everyone.
14 million miles…shut up! Just shut…the …hell up. Whatever is coming to kill us all will not be known until it hits…”they” will all save their asses…ad we will burn….
Google “Solar Warden”…they raped us all, little folk brothers…with a lot of help from most of you military types here…whether contractors or soldiers…you made sure you kept their secrets….like good little doggies…nos shut up and die like a man.
Oh, and thanks…for your “service”…and killing us all…..while the rich laugh and piss on us on their ascension…..
Oh great, another dooms day prediction. With our luck the asteroid will miss earth, but if it doesn’t… GOOD! Because if it impacts earth we will find out if there is a god/Buddha/allah etc. or if we are living in a matrix.
In the mean time I will ready my telescope.
I appreciate the heads-up.
Peace
this small stuff, we have merged with another solar system, that is the BIG worry, many more BIG object coming our way, going to be a rollercoaster ride the next 2 years
OMG an asteroid!!! Run for the hills, save ur kids and pets and bla bla bla… I just took a dump that was more of a threat to life as we know ir, than this.
“The Lord has recently revealed to Linda Newkirk that the space rock is going to be”
well, stranger things have happened.
The space navy will save us.
Fart,burp..
Where on earth did this person get 145 meters from? DA14 is 45 meters in diameter. It is by no means a “huge asteroid”.
@MattStarr…
Sorry for the mistake in my post before. I went off the author claiming it to be 145 m in diameter. Though, 45 m in diameter is roughly 145 ft. Looks like the author either doesn’t know how to convert properly or willfully didn’t convert properly to make it seem like more of a threat. Either way, still not even close to a planet killer.
You would think that after the apocalypse free past 2 months people would be less lemming like….
@Mellissa who said…
“You would think that after the apocalypse free past 2 months people would be less lemming like….”
Here is a quote that was told to me recently and i think it sums us lemmings up adequately.
“You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.” Bullet Tooth Tony: Snatch.
I too would like to share my experience, I traveled back in time and met with Rocky and Bullwinkle, and Woody Woodpecker too, they told me that Religious people are ABSOLUTELY NUTS, and never listen to a single word they say, because their silly books and premonitions are as factual as CARTOONS!
And if THIS EVENT NEVER HAPPENS, the what the heII next… When will you idiots hang it UP?
Do you actually take any time to actually LIVE YOU LIVES, or do you spend every single moment in fear, anxiety and worry?
Those who spend their entire lives either fearing how they will die or death itself, NEVER LIVE!
SHUT UP FOR CHRIST’S SAKE!
You know it pisses me off how people on here seem to just come and bash religion or something. Just because they don’t like to hear something they don’t like, without being open about it.
If you don’t like this article, ignore it.
As for me, interesting, not sure about the bible, but it looks like it connects a bit.
F O…..
These dreams here are scary. I have never had one of this magnitude so I can’t relate. All I know is I have a “dread” and can’t shake it off. I seem “edgy” for some reason. I told my neighbor, I feel something is gonna happen but don’t know what or when. When I start studing prophecy, I immediately get sleepy and can’t study. I have to get that armor of God on. All please say a prayer for me. Just give me JESUS to fight this battle for me.
And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
The similarities between the stories and characters in the Bible and those from previous (Pagan) mythologies are both undeniable and well-documented. It is only due to extreme the extreme religious bias that pervades our world today that people rarely get exposed to this information.
In this short piece I’ll attempt to show blatant similarities with regard to two of the most important Biblical narratives: the Genesis story and the character of Jesus Christ.
The Book of Genesis’s Flood Story Mirrors The Epic Of Gilgamesh From Hundreds Of Years Earlier
Here are a number of elements that both Gilgamesh and the flood story in Genesis share:
1. God decided to send a worldwide flood. This would drown men, women, children, babies and infants, as well as eliminate all of the land animals and birds.
2. God knew of one righteous man, Ut-Napishtim or Noah.
3. God ordered the hero to build a multi-story wooden ark (called a chest or box in the original Hebrew), and the hero initially complained about the assignment to build the boat.
4. The arc would have many compartments, a single door, be sealed with pitch and would house one of every animal species.
5. A great rain covered the land with water.
6. The arc landed on a mountain in the Middle East.
7. The first two birds returned to the ark. The third bird apparently found dry land because it did not return.
8. The hero and his family left the ark, ritually killed an animal, offered it as a sacrifice.
9. The Babylonian gods seemed genuinely sorry for the genocide that they had created. The God of Noah appears to have regretted his actions as well, because he promised never to do it again.
Keep in mind the level of detail in these similarities. It’s not a matter of just a flood, but specific details: three birds sent out, resisting the call to build the arc, and a single man being chosen by God to build the arc.
Then consider that the first story (Gilgamesh) came from Babylon — hundreds of years before the Bible was even written. Do you honestly think, based on the similarities above, that those who wrote the Genesis story had not heard the Gilgamesh story?
And if they had heard it, and they were simply rehashing an old, very popular tale, what does that say about the Bible?
Jesus’s Story Is An Obvious Rehashing Of Numerous Previous Characters
Perhaps even more compelling is the story of Christ himself. As it turns out it’s not even remotely original. It is instead nothing more than a collection of bits and pieces from dozens of other stories that came long before. Here are some examples.
1. Asklepios healed the sick, raised the dead, and was known as the savior and redeemer.
2. Hercules was born of a divine father and mortal mother and was known as the savior of the world. Prophets foretold his birth and claimed he would be a king, which started a search by a leader who wanted to kill him. He walked on water and told his mother, “Don’t cry, I’m going to heaven.” when he died. As he passed he said, “It is finished.“
3. Dionysus was literally the “Son of God”, was born of a virgin mother, and was commonly depicted riding a donkey. He healed the sick and turned water to wine. He was killed but was resurrected and became immortal. His greatest accomplishment was his own death, which delivers humanity itself.
4. Osiris did the same things. He was born of a virgin, was considered the first true king of the people, and when he died he rose from the grave and went to heaven.
5. Osiris’s son, Horus, was known as the “light of the world”, “The good shepherd”, and “the lamb”. He was also referred to as, “The way, the truth, and the life.” His symbol was a cross.
6. Mithra‘s birthday was celebrated on the 25th of December, his birth was witnessed by local shepherds who brought him gifts, had 12 disciples, and when he was done on earth he had a final meal before going up to heaven. On judgment day he’ll return to pass judgment on the living and the dead. The good will go to heaven, and the evil will die in a giant fire. His holiday is on Sunday (he’s the Sun God). His followers called themselves “brothers”, and their leaders “fathers”. They had baptism and a meal ritual where symbolic flesh and blood were eaten. Heaven was in the sky, and hell was below with demons and sinners.
7. Krishna had a miraculous conception that wise men were able to come to because they were guided by a star. After he was born an area ruler tried to have him found and killed. His parents were warned by a divine messenger, however, and they escaped and he was met by shepherds. The boy grew up to be the mediator between God and man.
8. Buddha‘s mother was told by an angel that she’d give birth to a holy child destined to be a savior. As a child he teaches the priests in his temple about religion while his parents look for him. He starts his religious career at roughly 30 years of age and is said to have spoken to 12 disciples on his deathbed. One of the disciples is his favorite, and another is a traitor. He and his disciples abstain from wealth and travel around speaking in parables and metaphors. He called himself “the son of man” and was referred to as, “prophet”, “master”, and “Lord”. He healed the sick, cured the blind and deaf, and he walked on water. One of his disciples tried to walk on water as well but sunk because his faith wasn’t strong enough.
9. Apollonius of Tyana (a contemporary of Jesus) performed countless miracles (healing sick and crippled, restored sight, casted out demons, etc.) His birth was of a virgin, foretold by an angel. He knew scripture really well as a child. He was crucified, rose from the dead and appeared to his disciples to prove his power before going to heaven to sit at the right hand of the father. He was known as, “The Son of God”. The problem, of course, is that these previous narratives existed hundreds to thousands of years before Jesus did.
Logic Sets In
Many are familiar with Occam’s Razor, which states that, all things being equal, one should not seek complex explanations when more simple ones are available. No one disputes that these other stories predate the Judeo-Christian Bible, so we really only have two options:
1. The religious explanation is that while the other stories were very much the same as those in the Bible, they are all false. But when they occur in the Bible (despite it being much the same content), this time the stories are true. One explanation of the resemblances to the earlier myths is that Satan created them to lead people astray from the true Messiah that would come much later. So essentially, an ultra-powerful and evil being (Created by God) influenced humanity to create deceptive stories — thousands of years before the real version — so that people wouldn’t believe the real thing when they saw it.
2. The alternative explanation is that the nature of storytelling during the period was such that central themes propagated through time. This combined with the natural tendency to have certain repeating elements in human stories, and the fact that the Bible stories came after the other ones, explains the similarities to previous myths. And since the stories of worldwide floods, virgin births, and people rising from the dead that the Bible is based on were false to begin with (which everyone agrees on) — they are also false in the Bible.
In short, the Bible is simply another iteration of the same themes that came long before it.
Which of these two explanations makes more sense to you?
The New Testament Bible is an amalgamation of all of the world’s religions into one, as ordered by Constantine during the 4th century… The scribes of the Roman church literally redacted, rewrote and downright changed the gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John to comply with Constantine’s orders… The allegory of Jesus Christ derived from the fable of Mithra, the divine son of God (Ahura Mazda) and messiah of the first kings of the Persian Empire around 400 BC… His birth in a grotto was attended by magi who followed a star from the East… They brought “gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh” (as in Matt. 2:11) and the newborn baby was adored by shepherds… He came into the world wearing the Mithraic cap, which popes imitated in various designs until well into the 15th century…
Many people– then and now– have assumed that these letters [of Paul] are genuine, and five of them were in fact incorporated into the New Testament as “letters of Paul.” Even today, scholars dispute which are authentic and which are not. Most scholars, however, agree that Paul actually wrote only eight of the thirteen “Pauline” letters now included in the New Testament. collection: Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians, and Philemon. Virtually all scholars agree that Paul himself did not write 1 or 2 Timothy or Titus– letters written in a style different from Paul’s and reflecting situations and viewpoints in a style different from those in Paul’s own letters. About the authorship of Ephesias, Colossians, and 2 Thessalonians, debate continues; but the majority of scholars include these, too, among the “deutero-Pauline”– literally, secondarily Pauline– letters.”
-Elaine Pagels, Professor of Religion at Princeton University, (Adam, Eve, and the Serpent)
We know virtually nothing about the persons who wrote the gospels we call Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
-Elaine Pagels, Professor of Religion at Princeton University, (The Gnostic Gospels)
Some hoped to penetrate the various accounts and to discover the “historical Jesus”. . . and that sorting out “authentic” material in the gospels was virtually impossible in the absence of independent evidence.”
-Elaine Pagels, Professor of Religion at Princeton University
The gospels are so anonymous that their titles, all second-century guesses, are all four wrong.
-Randel McCraw Helms (Who Wrote the Gospels?)
Far from being an intimate of an intimate of Jesus, Mark wrote at the forth remove from Jesus.
-Randel McCraw Helms (Who Wrote the Gospels?)
Mark himself clearly did not know any eyewitnesses of Jesus.
-Randel McCraw Helms (Who Wrote the Gospels?)
All four gospels are anonymous texts. The familiar attributions of the Gospels to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John come from the mid-second century and later and we have no good historical reason to accept these attributions.
-Steve Mason, professor of classics, history and religious studies at York University in Toronto (Bible Review, Feb. 2000, p. 36)
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The question must also be raised as to whether we have the actual words of Jesus in any Gospel.
-Bishop John Shelby Spong
But even if it could be proved that John’s Gospel had been the first of the four to be written down, there would still be considerable confusion as to who “John” was. For the various styles of the New Testament texts ascribed to John- The Gospel, the letters, and the Book of Revelations– are each so different in their style that it is extremely unlikely that they had been written by one person.
-John Romer, archeologist & Bible scholar (Testament)
It was not until the third century that Jesus’ cross of execution became a common symbol of the Christian faith.
-John Romer, archeologist & Bible scholar (Testament)
What one believes and what one can demonstrate historically are usually two different things.
-Robert J. Miller, Bible scholar, (Bible Review, December 1993, Vol. IX, Number 6, p. 9)
When it comes to the historical question about the Gospels, I adopt a mediating position– that is, these are religious records, close to the sources, but they are not in accordance with modern historiographic requirements or professional standards.
-David Noel Freedman, Bible scholar and general editor of the Anchor Bible series (Bible Review, December 1993, Vol. IX, Number 6, p.34)
Paul did not write the letters to Timothy to Titus or several others published under his name; and it is unlikely that the apostles Matthew, James, Jude, Peter and John had anything to do with the canonical books ascribed to them.
-Michael D. Coogan, Professor of religious studies at Stonehill College (Bible Review, June 1994)
A generation after Jesus’ death, when the Gospels were written, the Romans had destroyed the Jerusalem Temple (in 70 C.E.); the most influential centers of Christianity were cities of the Mediterranean world such as Alexandria, Antioch, Corinth, Damascus, Ephesus and Rome. Although large number of Jews were also followers of Jesus, non-Jews came to predominate in the early Church. They controlled how the Gospels were written after 70 C.E.
-Bruce Chilton, Bell Professor of Religion at Bard College (Bible Review, Dec. 1994, p. 37)
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James Dunn says that the Sermon on the Mount, mentioned only by Matthew, “is in fact not historical.”
How historical can the Gospels be? Are Murphy-O-Conner’s speculations concerning Jesus’ baptism by John simply wrong-headed? How can we really know if the baptism, or any other event written about in the Gospels, is historical?
-Daniel P. Sullivan (Bible Review, June 1996, Vol. XII, Number 3, p. 5)
David Friedrich Strauss (The Life of Jesus, 1836), had argued that the Gospels could not be read as straightforward accounts of what Jesus actually did and said; rather, the evangelists and later redactors and commentators, influenced by their religious beliefs, had made use of myths and legends that rendered the gospel narratives, and traditional accounts of Jesus’ life, unreliable as sources of historical information.
-Bible Review, October 1996, Vol. XII, Number 5, p. 39
The Gospel authors were Jews writing within the midrashic tradition and intended their stories to be read as interpretive narratives, not historical accounts.
-Bishop Shelby Spong, Liberating the Gospels
Other scholars have concluded that the Bible is the product of a purely human endeavor, that the identity of the authors is forever lost and that their work has been largely obliterated by centuries of translation and editing.
-Jeffery L. Sheler, “Who Wrote the Bible,” (U.S. News & World Report, Dec. 10, 1990)
Yet today, there are few Biblical scholars– from liberal skeptics to conservative evangelicals- who believe that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John actually wrote the Gospels. Nowhere do the writers of the texts identify themselves by name or claim unambiguously to have known or traveled with Jesus.
-Jeffery L. Sheler, “The Four Gospels,” (U.S. News & World Report, Dec. 10, 1990)
Once written, many experts believe, the Gospels were redacted, or edited, repeatedly as they were copied and circulated among church elders during the last first and early second centuries.
-Jeffery L. Sheler, “The Four Gospels,” (U.S. News & World Report, Dec. 10, 1990)
The tradition attributing the fourth Gospel to the Apostle John, the son of Zebedee, is first noted by Irenaeus in A.D. 180. It is a tradition based largely on what some view as the writer’s reference to himself as “the beloved disciple” and “the disciple whom Jesus loved.” Current objection to John’s authorship are based largely on modern textural analyses that strongly suggest the fourth Gospel was the work of several hands, probably followers of an elderly teacher in Asia Minor named John who claimed as a young man to have been a disciple of Jesus.
-Jeffery L. Sheler, “The Four Gospels,” (U.S. News & World Report, Dec. 10, 1990)
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The bottom line is we really don’t know for sure who wrote the Gospels.
-Jerome Neyrey, of the Weston School of Theology, Cambridge, Mass. in “The Four Gospels,” (U.S. News & World Report, Dec. 10, 1990
So unreliable were the Gospel accounts that “we can now know almost nothing concerning the life and personality of Jesus.”
-Rudolf Bultmann, University of Marburg, the foremost Protestant scholar in the field in 1926
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The gospels are very peculiar types of literature. They’re not biographies.
-Paula Fredriksen, Professor and historian of early Christianity, Boston University (in the PBS documentary, From Jesus to Christ, aired in 1998)
The gospels are not eyewitness accounts
-Allen D. Callahan, Associate Professor of New Testament, Harvard Divinity School
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Josephus Flavius, the Jewish historian, lived as the earliest non-Christian who mentions a Jesus. Although many scholars think that Josephus’ short accounts of Jesus (in Antiquities) came from interpolations perpetrated by a later Church father (most likely, Eusebius), Josephus’ birth in 37 C.E. (well after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus), puts him out of range of an eyewitness account. Moreover, he wrote Antiquities in 93 C.E., after the first gospels got written! Therefore, even if his accounts about Jesus came from his hand, his information could only serve as hearsay.
Tacitus, the Roman historian’s birth year at 64 C.E., puts him well after the alleged life of Jesus. He gives a brief mention of a “Christus” in his Annals (Book XV, Sec. 44), which he wrote around 109 C.E. He gives no source for his material. Although many have disputed the authenticity of Tacitus’ mention of Jesus, the very fact that his birth happened after the alleged Jesus and wrote the Annals during the formation of Christianity, shows that his writing can only provide us with hearsay accounts
Pliny the Younger (born: 62 C.E.) His letter about the Christians only shows that he got his information from Christian believers themselves. Regardless, his birth date puts him out of range as an eyewitness account
Suetonius, a Roman historian, born in 69 C.E., mentions a “Chrestus,” a common name. Apologists assume that “Chrestus” means “Christ” (a disputable claim). But even if Seutonius had meant “Christ,” it still says nothing about an earthly Jesus. Just like all the others, Suetonius’ birth occurred well after the purported Jesus. Again, only hearsay.
Talmud: Amazingly some Christians use brief portions of the Talmud, (a collection of Jewish civil a religious law, including commentaries on the Torah), as evidence for Jesus. They claim that Yeshu in the Talmud refers to Jesus. However, this Yeshu, according to scholars depicts a disciple of Jehoshua Ben-Perachia at least a century before the alleged Christian Jesus or it may refer to Yeshu ben Pandera, a teacher of the 2nd centuy CE. Regardless of how one interprets this, the Palestinian Talmud didn’t come into existence until the 3rd and 5th century C.E., and the Babylonian Talmud between the 3rd and 6th century C.E., at least two centuries after the alleged crucifixion. At best it can only serve as a controversial Christian or Jewish legend; it cannot possibly serve as evidence for a historical Jesus.
why is it I keep hearing it is common knowledge the records exist and everyone believes it yet there are no records from the time? why doesn’t anyone provide me with an example of a scholar christian or otherwise that says yes I have the proof it can be found here ? 2nd hand reports, things from years after the supposed fact etc can not be used.
“We have to accept somewhat looser standards. In the legal profession, to convict the defendant of a crime, you need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. In civil cases, a preponderance of the evidence is sufficient. When dealing with the Bible or any ancient source, we have to loosen up a little; otherwise, we can’t really say anything.”
-David Noel Freedman (in Bible Review magazine, Dec. 1993, p.34)
The question must also be raised as to whether we have the actual words of Jesus in any Gospel.
-Bishop John Shelby Spong
The Gospel authors were Jews writing within the midrashic tradition and intended their stories to be read as interpretive narratives, not historical accounts.
-Bishop Shelby Spong, Liberating the Gospels
Some hoped to penetrate the various accounts and to discover the “historical Jesus”. . . and that sorting out “authentic” material in the gospels was virtually impossible in the absence of independent evidence.”
-Elaine Pagels, Professor of Religion at Princeton University
We know virtually nothing about the persons who wrote the gospels we call Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
-Elaine Pagels, Professor of Religion at Princeton University, (The Gnostic Gospels)
But even if it could be proved that John’s Gospel had been the first of the four to be written down, there would still be considerable confusion as to who “John” was. For the various styles of the New Testament texts ascribed to John- The Gospel, the letters, and the Book of Revelations– are each so different in their style that it is extremely unlikely that they had been written by one person.
-John Romer, archeologist & Bible scholar (Testament)
It was not until the third century that Jesus’ cross of execution became a common symbol of the Christian faith.
-John Romer, archeologist & Bible scholar (Testament)
When it comes to the historical question about the Gospels, I adopt a mediating position– that is, these are religious records, close to the sources, but they are not in accordance with modern historiographic requirements or professional standards.
-David Noel Freedman, Bible scholar and general editor of the Anchor Bible series (Bible Review, December 1993, Vol. IX, Number 6, p.34)
The bottom line is we really don’t know for sure who wrote the Gospels.
-Jerome Neyrey, of the Weston School of Theology, Cambridge, Mass. in “The Four Gospels,” (U.S. News & World Report, Dec. 10, 1990)
those are christian sources, don’t want to be accused of using atheist sources, I have quite a few more from both sides
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who claim to have found it.
Andre Gide
Thanks, I ‘m rather new to this, but I did find, a couple of years ago, it strange that our founders didn’t mention Jesus in their writings. Upon further study I found out why. Jefferson say’s it best.
So much knowledge ! So little wisdom !
There are two things you need to do.
Firstly, read “The Other Bible Code” w/s by Vernon Jenkins. This will illustrate to you, in arithmetical and geometrical terms which cannot be gainsaid, because these subjects are culture-independent, that YHVH is the author of the Bible, rather than some people who cannot be independently verified, as if confirming one’s identity to some female living in the 21st century somehow proves that you once existed. This is mere academic hubris.
As Jenkins says; “The Bible has within itself the means of delivering a crushing response to all who would challenge its veracity”.
These are not idle words.
I state it here categorically; there is no-one living or dead, who, when once they have read that information, could possibly doubt the divine authorship of the Scriptures. Period.
Secondly, read “The Bible Wheel” w/s. Although perhaps not quite so definitive, this will show you that there is an organic structure to the Bible which has only recently been revealed. Just to stimulate your interest, let me merely point out that there are 66 books in the Bible; and there are 22 letters in the Hebrew aleph-bet. See anything interesting here? I assure you, there is a great deal that is interesting here. Incidentally, the integration between OT/ NT entirely rules out the claim of the Judaics that somehow the NT is only, as they gleefully inform us, “blank paper”.
As a final word to the wise, let me remind you all that the Roe vs. Wade abortion ruling was handed down on 22nd January 1972. God is not mocked; His judgements appear 40 days, or 40 years, after the fact. Ergo, expect very big events to occur in one week’s time.
The asteroid that is described in scripture should not hit until mid summer at the earliest or as far away as spring 2016. The reason is as follows.
A 7 year covenant has to be signed first. Daniel 9:27. This was done on Jan 1st, 2007.
Then there is a period of 2300 days to the time the abomination is set up and the courtyard of the temple mount is given over to the gentiles. Daniel 8:13-18 This 2300 days will end on April 17th 2013 based on the date the 7 year covenant was confirmed.
Then the armies will surround Jerusalem, Luke 21:20. The short great tribulation will begin for the Jews in Judaea. Immediately after those days the word will cry peace and safety because the threat from Islam against Israel will end.
Then the asteroid will hit; the one described in scripture in Revelation 8.
The short time that the tribulation takes place could be anywhere from 6 months to 3 years. The beast of Revelation 13 begins his 3 1/2 year reign over Israel when the abomination is taken away. But the beast who ascends from the pit only reigns for the last 5 months of this final 3 1/2 years. Then will come Armageddon.
Watch and pray.
And do you know why not ONE of you Christians have yet responded to my post? Because you are too busy studying things you never knew because your leaders only referred you to materials that support the lie… I was Baptized a Christian(Lutheran), but I took the initiative to look at things I wasn’t being told. Also, I had the displeasure of being in a VERY corrupt Church filled with Rapes, Molestations, Beatings and so pretty terrible things. THAT’S WHY I began to question Christianity. You creeps are the biggest bunch of Hypocrites on this plant.
I can’t speak for anyone else, GenZan, but this believer has tried to engage you in another thread to no avail. Hmm? I even stated that you appeared to have a very flawed understanding of Scripture but you Sir, were the uninterested party.
I wish to share that we have something in common and say to you that i had searched for Truth with a handful of religions, we can agree that that there is only self aggrandising agenda to be found in many churches. I suggest that one only needs Faith and that Truth is indeed found in the Inspired Word but almost certainly will not be found merely in others opinions.
Alas i lack completeness in knowledge of the Bible and am unable to assist you any more than the suggestion that i offer in this post. I can not elucidate further given your raging and hateful tone.
Yes, it is an interesting connection. I hope they are wrong…if they are right, we get the big reset we need to flush out the crap.
WORMWOOD…. Yes they do attack buildings……
But these nuisance are not just pests….. they are also the sign of changing times…..
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OKAY FELLAS….. Meeting is now OVER….. Tomorrow we shall learn new tricks to CAST SPELLS & spread disease & terror….. The Biological-Spiritual Nukes are all ready, and there is no chance of an error….
AUTO-PILOT sequence : Switched ON…. Now the machines shall do their destruction….
Wait a second Sergeant….. We are receiving a faint signal from James Bond 00.7″….. It is a flashback….. flashback from the past…..
Yes…. Dr.James Mc’King, we hear you…..
Lady Mc’Interpreter on Line….. Sir….
Yeah she can talk to all the King James Roaches, Orion Spiders, Skunkworks Moths, KlingOn Lizardships & even Humans…. I heard this from a fan of Lady Mc’Interpreter….
Ooh Shut up, Let her communicate with the JEHOVA HouseFlies…..
Okay…. The mission has been a failure….. Oooh what a shame…. James Bond 00.7″…. Her Majesty will not be pleased to hear this….. You could not nuke the targeted home…. Are you aware, we spent almost 2 Billion Euros to promote your films….. and we lost six other men….
Oooh…. We must now renegotiate & collaborate our SPACE & NUCLEAR PROGRAM TREATY with the Russians….
Or why don’t we just go out & tell the truth to the world…. Not a bad IDEA….
He he he….. we could still keep them in the dark for 2000 years….. he he he…..
Now there is nothing to fear….. They all are just slaves….. slaves to the lies, we preach….. and now we command them…. they are too weak to ever rebel…. and slaves to the fake money, we ever print….
Do they have any choice…… Nah…. Nooooooooooo….. coz they believe, what we ever print….. they are slaves to the fake reality, we create….. The all have programmed & genetically conditioned, not to accept the truth ever…… They all have been bitten by the aliens & all now carry the RFID TAGS….. they are helpless…..
Nice text for a comic…. I guess…. Thanks for liking it…..
The trolls are out in force! All liars are headed to the lake of fire, it does not matter if you are being paid to lie, it is still the same, repent and turn to Jesus before it is too late!
Same to you madmike9 and OneNineSix, you are better off flipping burgers than shilling for the satanists. It is not worth it in the long run. How you can you look at yourselves in the mirror?
How could you possibly know what I do for a living? I’m an electrician, in Spokane WA, I spend alot of my off time in the winter researching history. Your lake of fire doesn’t exist. Neither does your heaven. Jesus was a creation of the catholic church patterned after Horace of Egyptian mythology. You don’t know that your bible is true, you have faith that it is, but that doesn’t make it so. At least admit you could be wrong just like you are wrong that I’m a paid shill. People who confuse Faith for facts will suffer in the long run. Like Stevie Wonder sang “When you believe in things you don’t understand, you will suffer.” So keep writing your “fear-tainment”, it’s a interesting study into the mind of the spiritually feable. Your prediction may come true but not because of tha Bible.
if this asteroid hits you’ll be on your knees won’t you?
Have you noticed the demoralization of this country? The bible doesn’t work for fear anymore, we now have boogey-men, asteroids, disease, media, and more..you have to be blind not to see a pattern..people worship because they can’t stand on their own, when that’s exactly what the message is..NO one will be there to help you but you..you will NOT be hand-picked and float away into some magical kingdom just because you spoke the twisted words
Not a very smart Electrician I recon.
Jesus was born before the Catholic Faith was formed…….Dahhhhh.
But you Americans are experts in rewriting History.
You have a very flawed opinion of Faith, carveorstarve, there is but one thing we need fear and i mean what i say. Only one thing we need fear and it’s not a bus sized chunk of rock that may but most likely will not cause us much in the way of problems even if we take a direct hit. Sure you wouldn’t want to be standing in the very location that this meteor becomes a meteorite but what-the-hey none of us gets out alive, as it is, so why worry.
Keep in mind that no-one is predicting anything more than a remote possibility of a near miss and that all credible opinion allows for the fact that 2012 DA14 might not survive perihelion. This rock could well be drawn toward the sun and therefore to it’s demise. Given that it might survive to fly through our satellites it is still not going to be close enough to achieve incandescence and will thus not be visible to the naked eye anyway.
These things do have a habit of not meeting expectation. I reference Elenin as an example; do any of the goldfish even remember all the hoopla about this? Elenin turned out to be a big fizzer despite the grand announcements.
ps, i know that Elenin was a comet just as i know that meteors are little asteroids or more correctly the result of asteroid collision and fragmentation. My point is “why worry be happy”.
Prove Jesus was born. prove it without the Bible.
Is that addressed at me, madmike? What makes you think i must cede to your demands? Delusional or just arrogant? I have Faith and therefore have no need for proof. In an attempt to make you more knowledgeable i wish to share this with you: whenever you see the word ‘proof’ you are most likely being deceived. It is essentially unimportant to me whether you believe as i do but it is my wish that you might make more constructive arguments.
@ madmike9
“I’m an electrician, in Spokane WA, I spend alot of my off time in the winter researching history”.
I suppose you believe the Books you read? ………so why cant you believe in the Bible?
You must have gone to School did you ever question your Mentor or the Material you were studying? The shroud of Christ in Turin was it a fake? a lot smarter people than a wirepuller have examined the Evidence and have not been able to disprove it.
The books you read maybe a Hollywood version of Christ.
But then … are entitled to your Opinion
That is easy. Just ask him.
No it was meant for Anonymous. I can not demand anything of you, but can you prove the birth of Jesus , without the Bible? Faith is not proof, I have no problem that you choose to believe something, without proof or with proof, Just don’t make stupid comments such as “go back to flipping burgers” and I’m a “paid shill”, because I disagree with your faith based logic. ( If it was you who wrote that.) I choose to not have faith in religious teaching. I Don’t believe in Jesus, and I’m not going to hell for stating that. I stated Christ is a creation of the Catholic church, My proof is the council of Nicea. Conviened by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325. This also has to do with Serapis, his cultus was spread as a matter of deliberate policy by the Ptolemaic kings, who also built a splendid Serapeum in Alexandria. Serapis continued to increase in popularity during the Roman period, often replacing Osiris as the consort of Isis in non-Egyptian temples. The destruction of the Serapeum by a mob led by the Patriarch Theophilus of Alexandria in 389 is one of the key events in the downfall of ancient paganism, and the cult ceased to exist with the abolition of paganism in 391. This Dude was a Christ (the annointed) of his day. People who followed him were called Christians, all this, 3 centuries before the commonly held date of the birth of Jesus. So just chill out and have a factual conversation
@madmike
Mate that was me being chilled. I normally spin like a top at the slightest provocation. I will hazard a guess that many who know of my online dalliances would have snorted onto their keyboards when they saw you tell me to chill as some of them might well have been on the receiving end of my derision or scorn and would well know that i was behaving politely. I only asked for clarification and you may well have salved my concern with a single word.
Let us agree to disagree for without my Bible i am unable to meet your demand. No need to be confrontational by forewarning me as to something i might say but have not yet said about you. Trust that if i was taking swipes at you i would respect you enough to leave you in no doubt whatsoever that you were the target of any snobbish or rude behaviour on my part.
As to your opinion i have heard it before and i assert that Pix expresses the same opinion only more clearly and with greater ability. I now request that we respect the thread author and move back to the topic at hand. I have nothing further to say, to you, on the matter of my Faith.
Good day to you.
Unlike many who speak against Christianity as fools, evidenced on this forum, it seems that you sincerely disbelieve for what you feel are good reasons. Your arguments include reason more than nonsense.
So I invite you to check out TKICBS.blogspot.com There you will find reason to believe and reason to be very upset at the foolishness that has kept so many blind to the truth about many things.
The people of this world have been lied to by the governments of this world. This I can understand.
The people of this world have been lied to by the teachers and scientists of this world because they were taught lies and believed them. This I can understand.
But the Christians of this world have been lied to by bible preaching so called believers. Though I understand this, it makes my blood boil. Religion is the worst enemy to mankind.
But Jesus is not a religion. Jesus was born of a virgin by faith. He had no mortal father. He had no sin of his own because sin is passed through the male gene. Jesus is a person who led a perfect life. He had the power to heal and deliver because he was one with God, just as we should be, but sin has separated us. Jesus died and rose again from the dead because he had no sin that the grave could hold him. He is alive and wants to be your friend. All you have to do is believe this. Then get defeat of all of the religious thoughts that have been released into the world since his resurrection.
Please check out TKICBS.blogspot.com It deals only with proof. You will be surprised. It is not like what you have heard, if you read it all.
I am glad you finally got it as far as the Objects desciption is concerned….. but here again you gop blurting away your typical nonsense …….Quote: allows for the fact that 2012 DA14 might not survive perihelion. This rock could well be drawn toward the sun and therefore to it’s demise. This Asteroid that can become a Meteor if it enters Earth Atmosphere will not get close to our sun as it orbits at a safe distance around it.Comets behave differently and yes they melt ae,as all Ice does.Try and melt or liquify Carbon nickel and Iron…..
Enough said you are a Women as I said before not meaning being Dumb,but arrogantly stubborn.
I grant that my memory had failed me in so far as i thought that ice was part of the make up of this asteroid and i thank you that i was occasioned to look into my misunderstanding.
I’m crying foul on your assumption that you have the inside scoop on how various gravitational influences might affect this asteroidal manifestation, but thanks again as i have been given lots of words to use up today and you provide me a humorous platform to post myself into a lather.
Comets behave differently only in as much as they are capable of producing their own temporary atmosphere as ice gasifies. This is clearly evidenced in the tail of comets; however as you rightly say we are not discussing comets here and i only referenced Elenin by way of example of how these things seldom live up to expectation.
Lets allow that 2012 DA14 could very well be drawn into the sun and therefore to it’s demise as i am convinced that the sun is capable of consuming anything. You used the word ‘melting’ and that suffices as a descriptor of said asteroids possible demise.
What are you on about by mentioning earths atmosphere? No one has even remotely suggested that this asteroid has any chance of entering our atmosphere and potentially becoming a meteor. Are you simply getting desperate and starting to make stuff up now?
To address your puerile attempt to offend, i wish to say that it is great that you are not calling all women ‘dumb’ but is it really any better to be calling all of them ‘arrogantly stubborn’. You do know the difference between the singular and pluralised purpose of words don’t you?
Perhaps you are the one who needs to stop digging or at least take your foot out of your mouth and let the adults debate things that are patently well over your head. I suggest that you try to do a whole lot better or i will very quickly decide that you are either totally stupid or just being inciteful out of spite.
For educational purposes:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/2012-asteroid-hit-earth.htm
Asteroids are masses of metal and rock that orbit the sun but aren’t large enough to be considered planets. Tens of thousands of them are located in the asteroid belt, a doughnut-shaped ring between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter.
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=705
No asteroids have ever been observed to hit the sun, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t! Asteroids are normally content to stay in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, but occasionally something nudges them out of their original orbits and they come careening into the inner solar system. The “something” that changes the asteroid orbits is not well understood, but it is known that Jupiter has a strong effect on the asteroid belt. Jupiter’s gravity interacts with the Belt to form the Kirckwood Gaps, regions with almost no asteroids. In addition to Jupiter’s influence, random impacts within the belt probably send asteroid pieces flying in toward the inner solar system.
Stubborn you are there is no doubt about it, but I am beginning to realize that you might have a bit of googling and reading i.e. comprehension disabilities.Too bad your English is that of a Typical Pom or are you a Pig Islander perhaps? Are you a Lawyer by Profession?
Too bad: i’m not a Pom, typical or otherwise but yes i am a Pig Islander; no i am not a Lawyer, nor any profession for that matter, and correct again i am stubborn. Gee perhaps you are not totally stupid after all, good for you.
Thanks I take that a a compliment.
Almost ended up in Christchurch,have a few Kiwi friends from the North Island.
Actually like them believe it or not.
Cheers
I had to look up what a Pig Islander was to realise that there was no offense in that phrase and of course i was reminded to be more accurate when describing space debris. I had fun and learned a few things. My thanks to you also and no hard feelings.
ps, do you know how offensive the title “lawyer’ is? At it’s root it actually means to lie for money! I kid you not.
So tell me, when you pray to this Jesus fella, what does he say back to you?
Yes the actual definition is Liar,sorry I also meant no offense rather attacking your clever ways of trying to circumvent my evidence.
Been in Court saw it all with abhor its a Game for all that are Free Masons.
Judges are former lawyers that still lie.
Only the Rich and the Masons have a Chance,it a corrupt world.
I hope that God will cut short the Time and put an end to it,as we the People are no match for the evil.
Read this please: http://www.sherryshriner.com/talmud_tidbits.htm
I think you will see for yourself where we are heading to.
He tells me that you are a zionist fool and have given your Soul to Satan.
Satisfied?
He told me that you are a Zionist shill, that sold his Soul to Satan.
Satisfied?