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The Great Tribulation Multitude Saved After the Rapture
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Pastor Joseph Chambers / Paw Creek Ministries
It is scary to think of the multitude in the church world that will either be saved after the Rapture or worship the Antichrist.
Not for a moment can you think it will be easy to resist the dark deception once the Bride of Christ is gone. The Antichrist will take on the persona of Jesus Christ. There is a great company that rejects the Pre-Tribulation Rapture that will be subject to great deception because of this false teaching. This crowd sees themselves as overcomers and like an army defeating Satan’s antichrist. The effort of the Antichrist to enlist them for his plan is awesome.
We already see a multitude dying in chapter six. When the people who know they have missed the Rapture realize it’s now or never, a multitude will fall on their face to repent. Think of the whole world being aware of the departure of millions and open graves everywhere. Arabs will now know that Allah was not God. The false religions all over the world will not have a chance to repent and be converted. The Bible says that when His judgments are in the earth men will “learn righteousness.” (Isaiah 26:9)
Let’s look at the picture that the angels created for John to see. A marvelous number of Jews are saved and sealed. But the great number is citizens of the world. Many dark religions have blended great cultures of people. Religions like Islam have blended entire nations of people and taught them anger against the Jews and Christians. All of this must come to a conclusion and the God of the Bible will be vindicated. The hated Christians will now be prepared to rule the world under the sovereign hands of Jesus Christ.
The Book of Revelation is a breathtaking drama. From Chapter One to Chapter Twenty-two, except Chapters Two and Three, are in every case a living theatrical production. John saw the Book come alive before his face. There will probably be at least fifty articles in this series about what John saw. Do not miss one of them for they make the Book of Revelation a “Living Picture” and simple for you to teach others and to awake lost souls. The word “saw” or synonyms of that word are used over sixty times in twenty chapters of the Book Of Revelation.
No picture in this revelation is more graphic than the multitude of dying or dead saints, martyred for their faith in Jesus Christ. This vast number are clearly the multitudes that missed the Rapture but repented and became willing sacrifices for Christ. This scene shows up first in Chapters Six almost as soon as the Seven Years of the Great Tribulation begins.
When the Lamb of God had opened the fifth seal, the text tells us what John saw. “I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held…” (Revelation 6:9b)They were physically dead but yet alive. They had been martyred but were now awaiting their resurrection. Their death had been so gruesome that even in this glorious place and clearly beyond the instrument of their death they were pained to remember how they died. John saw and heard as they cried aloud. “And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?” (Revelation 6:10) I know of no place in Scripture where death did not hide the suffering that preceded the death. But this is the Great Tribulation of which Jesus said, “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.” (Saint Matthew 24:21-22)
John saw them given “white robes” and told to rest and await as the carnage continued on the earth. These were the first to turn to Jesus Christ and die by the “One World Religious System” and the government powers of the “One World Order”. These already put to death or martyred for their new found faith could rejoice that death has spared them from the ongoing calamity on earth. John wrote what he saw happen to them. “And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.” (Revelation 6:11)
This drama gives us a picturesque view of the hellish treatment awaiting anyone that misses the Rapture and even thinks to be saved. The cost of discipleship today does not touch the cost of discipleship after the Rapture. The devil will have lost the prize of the “Bride of Christ” he so determined to destroy. The remnant repenting will be seen as the last vestige of our present effort to warn the world. He will shake his fist at us in heaven while he slaughters our sons and daughters left behind. “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” (Revelation 12:17)
John does not just view their death and the sorrows of such horrible suffering. He sees the triumph also. We move to Chapter Seven and this great multitude that have died are no longer under the altar but caught up to be guest at the wedding supper. They can no longer count on being in the Bride but can be part of the great banquet celebration. They are a multitude from all over the earth. There is no longer a heathen world that has never heard the name of Jesus. Both the lie of Lucifer and the truth of Jesus Christ is known by all the earth’s population.
All nations will know and will be a part of these scenes. “After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.” (Revelation 7:9-10) There will certainly be an incredible number of those that know enough of the Gospel and truth to quickly repent of their unprepared spiritual condition. I believe the vast population of heathens, false religions, and post-Christian churches will now learn the truth and have the privilege for the price of martyrdom for Christ. Do not miss a later scene that John the Revelator saw that we will call “The Guest At the Wedding Supper.”
You know it is such a shame the god you rapture folks have been waiting on is so weak.
Daniel’s 3 friends could walk around in the middle of a fire so hot it killed the morons that cast them in,
Jonas could come back to life after 3 days and 3 nights in the fish,
Christ brought back to life a man dead for 4 days that had begin to stink
and the god you fellows look to can not even protect you on earth when he is punishing the bad guys? Really??
wow count me out,,
My Father can protect me in the middle of an atomic bomb blast.
One thing that is puzzling, do you folks believe you are going to the 3rd heaven as physical flesh or a immortal spirit??
I hope you do understand immortal spirit can not die — nothing physical can harm spirit so there is no need to flee to heaven for protection — protection is not needed for an immortal spirit.
Ps Christ will marry His bride in His kingdom when all things have been put under HIS feet.
Read Psalm 91.
54 “Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Here is an honest question for all those waiting for the rapture:
In John 6 Jesus Christ states those that have eaten MY flesh i.e unleavened bread and drank “MY blood” i.e. the wine — HE — Jesus Christ will raise up — AT THE LAST DAY!!
How can “before” the Great Tribulation be even close to the LAST DAY ?
The First Resurrection occurs AT THE LAST DAY. and not a moment sooner.
When all scripture is assembled and studied the rapture is found to be nothing more than a lie.
Hey Seekerstruth
You know full well that when all scripture is assembled and studied it’s always found that your Interpretation of events is nothing more than a OUTSIDERS VIEW as by your very own mouth you’ve already counted yourself OUT of the running so far, and so has Amminadded, your both NOT EVEN REAL CHRISTIANS as you both proclaim NO following of ANY CHURCH Creed, (You both have CONgregations of naked followers of your own making), it’s a shame really, so weak in the Word and Poor in Spirit, Blind and ignorant of Gods Promises to His Bride whom He will marry in Heaven when
He comes by Himself to escort the 5 WISE BELIEVERS to the marriage through the DOOR..aka 
the 5 WISE Virgins,
You also know full well we shall be changed at the last trump(et) of God when the Lord will descend by Himself and rescue His people as He ALWAYS does, then we who are alive will be changed and CAUGHT UP….HallaluYAH.
It’s not escapism
nor weakness of God to stand on His Word, His promises. 
Seekerstruth (humanism)… OR Gods written Word ……
Let God be true and all men liars who do not write nor believe… “as it is written”
Your 3rd Heaven is in the Temple of God “YES’, that’s exactly where He promised to take His Bride INTO HEAVEN.
Rev 3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
I will make him a pillar
in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down 
out of heaven
You both deny the Triune God Particularly “GOD the HOLY SPIRIT” …So the FATHER does NOT KNOW YOU ! so how can you say My Father ?…. repent of your unbelief and believe…..ask God Father to give you the Holy Spirit (to come INTO your hearts, “the comforter”) and He the “Holy Spirit” will guide you in all Truths ….
Shake off your pride and all that you THINK you know and come to Him as a child, to the Father and ask in Y’shua’s name for the comforter to come INTO your heart, do this with sincerity and He WILL give you the comforter the HOLY SPIRIT…(the same for anyone who hears these words)
Amminadded
Psalm 91 Oh! Yes’ know it well, GODS PROTECTION “Safety of Abiding in the Presence of God” , what’s amazing regarding your MANY MANY MANY copy and pastes of SDA propaganda….is that you claim there is NO Rescue / Rapture WHICH WOULD OFFER PROTECTION as per His Promises INTO THE PRESENCE of GOD INTO His THRONE room.as per Psalm 91
BUT Amazingly You CLAIM Psalm 91 then
ALWAYS point to those being BEHEADED and coming out of the Gt TRIBULATION… in taters ?? …hummm not much Psalm 91 happening to You / them, when it happens.
UNLESS…. your NOT dividing the Word correctly and the Bride indeed
GONE. 
Seekerstruth…..”The First Resurrection occurs AT THE LAST DAY. and not a moment sooner.”
So your interpretation is that the LAST DAY is the very LAST DAY of Jacobs Trouble.aka Gt Tribulation…you read IN what is NOT THERE AGAIN !!….the Bride is NOT destined to Wrath so it’s your dividing of the Word which is in error , He’s more likely taking about the LAST DAY of the AGE of GRACE known only to Him “no-one knows the DAY “….as we are NOT under WRATH to go to your LAST DAY.
Seekerstruth was thinking in the mean time have you ever thought of joining a Jewish forum as your not really a biblical church christian, by grace etc, they’ed love your strong Zeal for keeping the Law like Saul, and you never know, you might get a few to join your group in the woods of Nottingham
crazy
here are a couple of things you may want to roll around in your mind:
There are four foundational events in God’s plan of salvation;
The birth of Jesus Christ
The death of Jesus Christ
The resurrection of Jesus Christ
The return of Jesus Christ
That 4th event is all that remains to be fulfilled and that glorious event is only a few short years away.
All four events are foreshadowed – by — God’s Sabbath day and His Holy Feasts which our Father set in place before creation as eternal memorials of the perfect work performed by His Son for mankind.
The Builder and Chief Corner Stone of all creation – Jesus Christ will return to earth at the Last Trump and will complete God’s Spiritual creation on the exact day appointed before creation: God’s Holy Feast of Trumpets.
and since you mentioned grace:
God gave Israel “HIS” Passover! While all were yet sinners God gave Israel His only Son as payment for all of their sins. That gift comes by the – Grace – of GOD.
By God’s “Grace”, God’s “Kindness” our debt to sin was paid in full by Jesus Christ; while –ALL–were held in bondage to the lust of the flesh, while all were under the sentence of death for their sins –Jesus Christ died for us.
The term “grace”, as explained above, has been perverted to mean being freed from God’s Law thus no longer “under” the jurisdiction of God’s LAW and no longer, in effect, held accountable for their actions — even to GOD
crazy
I would love to understand why your god must take you off the earth to protect you??
You and everyone just ignores that question.
Really why can’t your god protect you here on earth?
seekerstruth
Exactly my point YOUR comments are NOT NOT NOT ! ….:arrow: . “as it is written” in the Word.
You have EXCLUDED YOURSELF ! By not acknowledging /belonging to nor BELIEVING ANY of His Church Creeds mentioned in Revelation, the messages to the 7 Churches
His people , this is very unfortunate for YOU as this leads to relying on your OWN understanding and estimations, which is sternly warned about. 
I’ve also already mentioned your disobedience to Gods Word in not obtaining entering His Sabbath rest Heb 4:10 …YOU also deny the finished work of Y’shua on the cross, which God says you’re wretched for doing so, you deny belonging to any of His people churches or christian Creeds, deny “God the Holy Spirit” without which you have NO Hope of Salvation let alone understand… “as it is written “and the mysteries revealed to His people, you deny God Always Rescues BEFORE WRATH, deny salvation is by Grace through faith, a free gift of God
NOT of yourself, deny Salvation is of the Jews by the King of the Jews , etc etc etc even saying speaking in tongues is from Satan …Whoooha ! Phew it’s hot in here, yikes !!
“I would love to understand why your god must take you off the earth to protect you??”
because it’s.
… as it is written ….I’ve given you a tonne of Scripture in the past regarding this but your UNABLE to receive it as your BLIND to the “mystery of the rapture,”"Poor in Spirit” NO need to rehash it, as he who is flesh is flesh, he who is Spirit is Spirit……”You MUST be born again TO SEE the kingdom of God”….I’ve explained how this is done in my previous post , avail yourself to it and the TRUTH WILL set you free (if you are called to it)…the vail will then be lifted from your eyes.You can then change your avatar to SeekerfoundTruth.
“When all scriptures — ALL scriptures — are assembled and studied the rapture is found to be”
Crazy
Here is your comment: “standing on Rock solid ground the Word of God as it is written”
Here is how Genesis 1: 24 is written in the KJV
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
The word translated as “creature” is the word “Nephesh” and as you can read it means cattle and creeping things. It is also the same word translated as Soul.
And if you will read below it can mean dead, others, feelings, desire, appetite etc etc etc
So when folks just like you tell me we have an immortal soul or some other equally stupid statement — I check it out because the KJV is a man made translation and is full of errors – so no thank you I will not read the KJV as if God wrote every word Himself because He did not.
◄ 5315. nephesh ►
Strong’s Concordance
nephesh: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion
Original Word: נָ֫פֶשׁ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: nephesh
Phonetic Spelling: (neh’-fesh)
Short Definition: soul
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from an unused word
Definition
a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion
NASB Translation
any (1), anyone (2), anyone* (1), appetite (7), being (1), beings (3), body (1), breath (1), corpse (2), creature (6), creatures (3), dead (1), dead person (2), deadly (1), death (1), defenseless* (1), desire (12), desire* (2), discontented* (1), endure* (1), feelings (1), fierce* (2), greedy* (1), heart (5), heart’s (2), herself (12), Himself (4), himself (19), human (1), human being (1), hunger (1), life (146), life* (1), lifeblood* (2), lives (34), living creature (1), longing* (1), man (4), man’s (1), men* (2), mind (2), Myself (3), myself (2), number (1), ones (1), others (1), ourselves (3), own (1), passion* (1), people (2), people* (1), perfume* (1), person (68), person* (1), persons (19), slave (1), some (1), soul (238), soul’s (1), souls (12), strength (1), themselves (6), thirst (1), throat (2), will (1), wish (1), wishes (1), yourself (11), yourselves (1
Here we go again seekesrtruth we are discussing
the rapture is on Rock Solid ground.
Which it IS !!…period!
Wow !! again You read what is NOT THERE …where have I mention Immortal
SOULS
“So when folks just like you tell me we have an immortal soul or some other equally stupid statement”
Huh !!
After the change we will be given new bodies like Y’shua after His victory over death seen by Thomas, we will be made of the same substancea as HE and will NOT Die….therefore Immortals… as per Scripture
1 John 3:2
2Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. 3And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.…
seekerstruth ..We reproduce in the image of Gods likeness we are NOT cattle but have come across a few cows in my lifetime who don’t appear to have a soul.
When all is said and done it don’t matter which book you quote from your NOT a REAL CHRISTIAN by a biblical standard and your versions of events are invalid as you do not have
the Spirit of truth IN YOU.
Strong’s concordance is completely inaccurate, just like the KJV Bible. Total trash.
“I would love to understand why your god must take you off the earth to protect you??”
Immortals after the rapture DO NOT live with mortals …for obvious reasons !
Inotherwords When we are changed we go to the Fathers House john 14:2 “In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for
I go to prepare a place for you”…. as promised
Rev 3:10 I will take you from the hr “that hr” to test those on Earth (as opposed to those who now live in Heaven after this judgement call in 3:10(
And HE will NOT go out NO MORE ..Rev 3:11. I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God,
and he will not go out from it ANYMORE; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven rev 3:11
“crazzy does this not say “I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God – which is coming down OUT of heaven???”
seekerstruth …The marriage of the Bride is in Heaven …Matt 25:10
the bridegroom came; and they that were ready
went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
ANSWER
Where did the 5 virgins go intact NO Heads missing ??? … no gibberish into the wilderness BS, as the Bride is NOT going into a BARN we are going to the Fathers House a Mansion.. as Promised and seen going…
Revelation 21:9
the bride, 
the wife of the Lamb.” 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,… 
“as it is written”
“Come here, I will show you
THE WIFE OF THE LAMB …..HallaluYAH ….CLEARLY
IN HEAVEN 
Post marriage coming down OUT of Heaven
How did the BRIDE get to Heaven to marry the Bridegroom if she was NOT RESCUES ?
New Jerusalem is a physical building measurement already given, coming down from the 3rd heaven ….not some symbolic representation of the Bride …you wretched SDA.
crazy
SDA??? NOPE !
crazy you will understand you have been sold a lie by Satan soon.
Just understand you will not have been left behind because no one is going.
seekerstruth “Just understand you will not have been left behind because no one is going”
If that is so
ANSWER the questions then Where did the 5 wise virgins go ?
when Y’shua came by Himself to get her…. for the Lord will descend by Himself.
How did thew Bride get to heaven in Revelation 21:9 to become the WIFE ?
If the Bride is massacred Heads Cut off ! etc How come the 5 wise virgins are alive and well and intact when the bridegroom came by Himself to take her to the marriage ?
seekerstruth I know you won’t be able to answer any as its you who is in error on many fronts….I like your zeal in fact but your shooting in the wrong direction…imho
adieu for now
crazy
SDA??? NOPE !
seekertruth This last part was for Amminaadded not you whoops !
New Jerusalem is a physical building measurement already given, coming down from the 3rd heaven ….not some symbolic representation of the Bride …you wretched SDA.
Truthseeker;
That’s true. No rapture.
crazy
I will rest on my comment::
“When all scriptures — ALL scriptures — are assembled and studied the rapture is found to be nothing more than a lie.”
For the rapture to be “imagined” from scripture one can not use all the scriptures that apply, one must pick and choose and interpret the Word of God based upon what they want the scripture to say.
“I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down
out of heavenI will make him a pillar 
in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven”
crazzy does this not say “I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God – which is coming down OUT of heaven???
Yes I fully agree the Saints of God will be pillars in the Temple of God which comes down OUT of heaven to the earth.
See how easy it is to understand the Word of God!
Crazy you know it helps to read every word — actually that is what we are commanded to do we are to LIVE BY EVERY WORD OF GOD.
Oh did you know that Jesus Christ and the Apostles and actually all the disciples were Jewish??
They obeyed the Torah but not the traditions of the Jews — Christ and the Apostles all did what you would call the Jewish thing.
Oh did you know that Jesus Christ and the Apostles and actually all the disciples were Jewish??
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By Jewish you mean the post temple religion that believes, like you do, that Jesus will be boiling in sh*t in Hell for eternity?
Or do you mean men of Judea?
Davidic descent (from a thousand years earlier) was claimed for Jesus but I can’t recall the other Galilean apostles or Paul being Jewish / Judahite descent (unlike WASPs).
Anyway your Moses wasn’t Jewish.
Medina
What do you really think???? LOL
Moses was a Levitt, not a Jew
Do you actually think God the Father and Jesus Christ have let things get so mixed up they do not know who is Jewish and who is not??
I wonder how, during the Great Tribulation, the 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes will be found??? If God does not know who is who — what will He do???
Medina — I know who is in charge of ALL things, I have no worries. I turn over all worrying to you.
Again you are not God and prophecy is meaningless.
You have again failed to answer my question:
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By Jewish you mean the post temple religion that believes, like you do, that Jesus will be boiling in sh*t in Hell for eternity?
Or do you mean men of Judea?
Davidic descent (from a thousand years earlier) was claimed for Jesus but I can’t recall the other Galilean apostles or Paul being of Jewish / Judahite descent (unlike WASPs).
What you posted about the apostles being Jewish was fantasy. The apostles were Galilean NOT Judean and were REFERRED TO AS SUCH by contemporaries of the first Christians.
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12 tribes ….12,000 from each of the apostles Christian followers RATHER than post temple WASP followers of the rabbis being an example of prophecy being meaningless.
Jesus spoke to a Samaritan woman in Sychar about eternal life. She wanted to talk about the correct place to worship God. Was it on Mount Gerezim as the Samaritans believe or in Jerusalem as believed by the Jews. Jesus answered her plainly, “Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22).
So, there it is plain and simple. God’s way of salvation came to man through the Jews. Jesus came to fulfill the law and not to destroy it (Matt.5:17). Despite what some have taught, Jesus did not oppose the teaching of the Tenach. He fulfilled it! God sent salvation to man through the Jewish people.
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THAT SALVATION THROUGH THE JUDEANS WAS THROUGH THEIR DESTRUCTION AS AND IN ISRAEL AS EXEMPLIFIED IN JESUS
You accept the earthly death of Jesus (Israel) I take it Truthseeker?
medina
Half the time I do not know what you are talking about and I do not use terms such as Judea or Judahite,
Like now — it seems you are a replacement believer???
It is a waste of time to talk we do not nor will we agree on anything.
Truthseeker
Half the time I do not know what you are talking about and I do not use terms such as Judea or Judahite,
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So? You both admit to getting your religion more from movies and tv than any text of a ‘satan worshipping’ church.
And OBVIOUSLY you do not use the CORRECT terminology – Judean or Judahite – because by Jew / Jewish you REALLY DO mean the post Christian religion that denies Christ’s messiahsihp and believes that he will be boiling in sh*t in Hell for eternity along with his followers (such as yourself – your WASP status as a lost tribe of Mannessah from Mars membership notwithstanding).
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Like now — it seems you are a replacement believer???
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Christianity came BEFORE the post temple Judaism that partly emerged as a reaction to it.
BY DEFINITION MESSIANIC ISRAEL IS WHEN THE MESSIAH / GOD RULES
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It is a waste of time to talk we do not nor will we agree on anything.
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It is not a waste of time for me to correct someone calling everyone satanists or that Britons are the lost tribes of Israel.
It doesn’t HAVE to be to your benefit.
Truthseeker
You are not a Christian because you don’t consider gentiles Christian and you are not a follower of Judaism because you believe Christ is God so your particular replacement theology is
Jesus as God out, Jews as Gods in
It’s all false teachings, Jesus Christ = Dionysus. Dionysus preached to free yourself as slaves of the state, to live off the land as nature intended. Christianity on the other had preaches to pay your taxes unto Caesar like good little slaves of the state, and when your slave master slaps you, turn the other cheek and look happy about it while you’re at it. You’re nothing but lying, mass murdering sluts of mammon. You don’t care how many peoples lives are destroyed, as long as the ‘church’ retains is power and you earn a profit. That’s the truth.
to live off the land as nature intended
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BAAAAAAA went the post pharisaic flock
There is no post pharisaic flock seeing as Judaism still exists. Why don’t you learn English?
Uh…then what is all this 70 AD stuff you keep going on about aleph? Seems post pharisaic to me.
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Pix
Seeing as Judaism is the post 70 CE invention of the money lending pharisees, they already have temples all over the world including Jerusalem, only they call them banks.
Apr 5, 2015, 7:55 am
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Rolls — mindless broken record “rapture” heretic nobody not worth listening to.
Ive got a good idea, lets just stop discussing this subject, and focus on the “today” instead of the “tomorrow”
Matthew 6:34:
Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
Lets stop arguing and preparing for a rapture of tomorrow, and focus instead on love and caring for others. Lets place faith, not in rapture, but in God’s grace for our lives, and his provision for his church in times to come. Pre-trib rapture or not, i know God will look after me and the rest of his flock, for so he promised. I have faith in him, and his will for my life, and i think we should all feel the same way, trust in him.
Keep your cup full, ready to face any trial, and let God do the rest.
crazy
Please take the time and read the following, it is from Hebrews 8. it is scripture and logic. and I am looking for a serious honest answer.
After reading it please tell me why you do or don’t agree. I have tried to make this as understandable as possible.
Hebrews 8
The New Covenant
7 For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with THEM, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Paul states: The “fault” is with the people — not the LAW.
From beginning to end in God Word: The Law is Holy, Just and Good.
If the Law were removed from the contract then the people remain as they are: Thus The people remain unable to live by the Law or the contract.
If the Law were removed how would that benefit the people?
As removing the Law does not change the people they will still fight and murder, still worship idols, still fornicate and still steal etc.
Would it not make more sense to leave the Law and “CHANGE THE PEOPLE”?
With the New Covenant isn’t God stating He is going to change the people?
In verse 10 God is telling us He is putting HIS Torah into our minds and in our natures,
By the New Covenant God is changing the people and not the Law.
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 “For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; “
“I will put “my laws” into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: “
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, “Know the Lord”: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
The word for Law in verse 10 which is a quote from Jeremiah 31: 33 is Torah.
seekerstruth
Now this Zeal you have for
thinking your keeping the Old Law is blinding you to the New Covenant 
the “Law of Christ” 1 Corinthians 9:21…Now Paul explained it better than I and Paul used various tact to explain to Jews and gentiles, the “Law of Christ” ….All that you have posted is correct the Old Law has not been done away with 
BUT it has for righteousness Rom 10:4 the Old deal was wrote against us (penalty for failure was eternal death) so you could recognise in yourself your own inability to keep the Law ALL of it, ALL your life, who could kept the First Commandment let alone the SDA 4th or any of the other 600 laws ? ALL your life… Plainly IMPOSSIBLE we we’re prisoners to a guardian Gal 23:24
So hence Paul’s the “Law of Christ is NOW in effect Gal 6:2, NOTE, we are NOT LAWLESS under the “Law of Christ” in fact we are held to a higher standard as we are given more commands eg Just looking at a woman lustfully is adultery and grieves God the “Holy Spirit” which we received IN US as the comforter when we became born again, GOD is the one who wrote the Law on Stone, letters which could NOT change the people correct !, He HAS NOW wrote it on OUR HEARTS, so we can respond in Love and fulfil the Law of Christ Gal 6:2
This fulfils you Heb 8 to 11 ..for ALL shall know me, from the least to the greatest…AS HE IS NOW IN US …who are Born Again.
I’ve already explained HOW to receive Him INTO YOUR HEART…quit the pride as Saul did come as a child, go into your own room and call out Abba Abba come into my life and give me the Spirit of Truth (the comforter) the One whom came at Pentecost and goes UP at the rapture, GOD the HOLY SPIRIT …the one who seals us for that day of redemption of His precious possession… God the Holy Spirit is the comforter John 14: 17-20 He will come to you if you repent of your unbelief and sins and believe that Holy Holy Holy ..IS…1/ Lord. 2/ GOD..3/ ALMIGHTY…is ONE….a triune God…on that day you be come born again YOU will Know God the Holy Spirit as
He will be IN YOU . John 14:18.
Then the Truth will set you FREE of your stumbling block and THEN you can enter Gods rest JUST as HE rested on the Sabbath, so do we who have obtained His rest Heb 4:10
Zzzzzz
Your logic is sound.
“Would it not make more sense to leave the Law and “CHANGE THE PEOPLE”?”
You are not far from the Kingdom of God, be more diligent… Ask Seek and you will find the narrow door and HE will open unto you… Y’shua is waiting …Knock knock …the Kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU, no- one will say it’s Here or there …It’s WITHIN YOU…Ask the Father in Y’shuas name believing He has power on Earth to forgive sins and ask to be sealed by the Holy Spirit, then Gods Laws will be in You in your Midst.
Luke 17:21
“The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; 21nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst
John 18:36…. Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world.
crazy
thanks,
I won’t respond as my purpose was not to begin a debate, I just wanted your reaction to what was presented.
crazy
If I may may I ask you a question?
As you have stated a few times you “you stand of the Word — as written”
Please then explain Matthew 12: 39, 40; how do you read this?? What is it saying?
Cool no-worries
Matthew 12: 39
Imho ….without going deeper…, it tells me Israel had departed from her husband God and thereby He calls them an adulterous generation to start off with, I believe He was alluring to…
Jer 3:20, “Surely as a wife treacherously departed from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with Me, O house of Israel, saith the Lord.” For this was the relationship in which He stood to the covenant-people—”I am married unto you” Jer 3:14
The resurrection of Y’shua from the dead, is to me the sign of the prophet Jonah, this AMAZING PROOF of Christ being their TRUE Messiah. As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale, and then came out again
ALIVE, thus Christ would be as long in the grave, and then rise again 
ALIVE.
Who would ever think you could be in a whale for so long and come out alive ? even more so, in the Grave for the same period and rise again ALIVE.
The sign of the Prophet Jonas, means evidence which was shown to the people that this miracle done in their presence was
in fact PROOF that he was from God.
Likewise this Parable is connected to Y’shua and should have been ABSOLUTE PROOF to Israel
that He was in fact God and Israel should have repented on the grounds of HIS Resurrection.
This is what it means to me….cheers
crazy
Thanks,
Then am I to understand you do not accept the Friday late afternoon burial and Sunday morning resurrection which is not 3 days and 3 nights?
was Israel married to the Father in the Old Testament?
Correct as He had to be taken down BEFORE the Sabbath that’s before sundown then the count started which of course is NOT a Sunday resurrection….my Math is not that bad …lol
“was Israel married to the Father in the Old Testament?”
I already gave Scripture in this regard there are many more verses but this is NOT the topic at hand matey
crazy
you would agree then the 3 days and 3 nights are as follows:
On Wednesday (midweek) Christ was nailed to the stake around noon and died about 3 PM and was sealed in the tomb just as the sunset and as what we call Wednesday night began.
Christ was in the tomb according to our times and days
Wednesday night:—— night 1
Thursday day:———— day 1
Thursday night————night 2
Friday day——————- day 2
Friday night—————- night 3
Saturday DAY————-day 3; The Third day
At the end of the Sabbath just before the sunset Christ rose
crazy
are you in England or Australia??
As far as I’m aware of, we are told He had to be taken down from the Cross, (stake is a SDA term ) as the Sabbath, fast approaches.
Now as i was not there
, what do I know ! ?, all I can do is surmise He was buried before the Sabbath started….Friday evening imho.
Where is this leading ? I get the feeling a Fu Manchu trap door is about to open any minute and you and Amminaadded will throw a sack over my head …
Both
Sydney Australia atm nice and warm
I don’t have any problem with what you postulate occurred
And do agree He will return on the feast of trumpets as you have commented on in the past, see we can find common ground.
Come to think of it I do believe I held the Wednesday position myself many moons ago , just not rehashed it over recently, as it was a long time ago I saw the problem in the 3 day event..cheers
crazy
I have been to both England and Australia I I loved them both and the people as well. The Great Barrier Reef is unbelievable, I dove it 5 or 6 times. And I love the Somerset area of England.
And yes I “KNOW” Christ will return on the Feast of Trumpets.
I case you aren’t aware, you and I are the only ones on BIN that believe Christ was resurrected on the Sabbath and not the first day of the week.
I have gone round and round with many and they all accept the Friday afternoon burial and the Sunday morning resurrection.
That belief is in effect calling Christ a liar and I have found most do not believe the majority of the statements Christ made.
Truthseeker
You might also be the only Christians who are unaware that Jonah didn’t die.
medina
If Jonas did not die and then come back to life how can Christ state that would be THE ONLY SIGN — and the sign that so called christianity rejects out right.
one day and two nights is perfect for those that think Christ either lied are does not know what He is talking about.
and median — I would guess many don’t have a clue one way or the other. It never entered their mind.
You 7th dayist Paul haters NOW think Jonah literally raised himself from the dead??!!
John Rolls;
Wrong again. No rapture. No going to heaven, except for the annointed 144,000. All who are part of a religion of man are to be destroyed.
“I case you aren’t aware, you and I are the only ones on BIN that believe Christ was resurrected on the Sabbath and not the first day of the week.”
Whooha hang on that don’t sound right
I understand your position BUT it’s borderline seekertruth
It’s late here I should have been more precise….it was a long time ago.
Look at Mark 16:9 Has the final Word.
Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene
It clearly says
First Day …. ..meaning Sunday morning …as is written… count back (3 nights 3 days)
Again what do I know BUT I must stand on “as it is written” and NOT my Own understanding in this regard as it’s easy to Err…
Cheers tks for bringing that up, made me look a little deeper once more.
Now off for ZZzzz 2am
Crazy
after you wake up remember no Scripture has punctuation, it was added, thus
“Now after He had risen,, early on the first day of the week He first appeared to Mary Magdalene.”
this does not at all state He rose on the first day of the week.
Ps.. hey matey glad you liked your stay in Eng and Aust both need lot of visitors especially now the economy is rolls over….both have there special seasons … thank you.
“after you wake up remember no Scripture has punctuation, it was added,”
Not a big issue for me to debate as we are not under the Law as previously mentioned as Christ has set us free,we are NOT LAWLESS but free of the (Mill
stone) letters wrote on STONE (a Millstone around our necks), He has now written them on our hearts ….
Tks for your imput…bye for now
#rolling over