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Clarifying: Physical Abduction Or Astral Abduction?
Several people have suggested that perhaps what I'm recalling here was not an actual physical experience, but rather an actual astral/spiritual experience– or even a projected visualization sent by the aliens. I commented back what led me to think it was physical (despite their ability to de-materialize and transport my body through open space somehow.) Those comments below:
“Physical versus astral abductions is a tricky subject, and so I think its VERY important to differentiate if at all possible.
I had been interested in ghosts and paranormal types of things from a very young age, and as I learned to read by age 3, by 16 I had read a great many adult books on various things. My drive to understand I believe came from knowing on some level that things were happening to me beyond the 'normal' reality we're told to expect, and I was searching for answers about things in adult books even by the age of 8. So, yes, I DID know about out-of-body-experiences, and what an astral body was (although not so much about astral reality as a whole– that took years of comparing and contrasting my own astral work with what others have reported). To begin with in this experience, I assumed that I HAD to have been just a soul outside my body, yet with a body shape, so — yeah, having an astral encounter.
Very clearly noting the bed was EMPTY upon my return (and there was NO mistaking it and I was wide awake and lucid at the time, just like normal waking perception– no drowsiness or wooziness) and then finding a dot on the tiny burn spot I remembered– convinced me that I was in my actual, physical body, which was 'shifted' somehow for ease of transport and then made normal and solid again for the duration of my experience 'abroad' — only to be shifted again to send me back to bed, where I was then left in my normal, solid state. It was a physical experience, being in the city, on the ramp, in the cave, sitting on the table/bed, getting burned on my brow…
The older and more experienced I am now, the more convinced of this I am. Even though I know astral on astral FEELS physical, I've experienced it well enough and often enough to know that vision and hearing are DIFFERENT. Colors are a little strange, and you see energy lines (auras) very clearly, even in bright light. Also, I'm slightly hearing impaired physically– and have been since childhood, but in astral I can hear very well and there are interesting echo effects sometimes. Finally, in astral– there is NO ability to SMELL! I distinctly remember thinking that alien city place smelled seriously odd, and slightly unpleasant. I would not be able to note that if I were not in my physical body.
I realize that people might want to resist the idea that this was a physical experience, from start to finish (even de-materialized, my body was all there, just different somehow). Yet I can come to no other conclusion in this particular case.
I have had things happen where the aliens ALSO have pulled me OUT of my body, for real– and the experience was very different. No– there was no physical abuse when dealing with them in the astral. Its an energy/soul study thing. Again, I can't get into it yet– but I promise I WILL write about these experiences (what I can remember of them) and lay out how they're different from what I experienced in this last post. For one thing, when I returned to my body– I SAW MY BODY ON THE BED! Both types of abductions have happened often enough to me that I can tell them apart very easily now. This first memory of this type of abduction is when I first began to put the pieces together, though. It took a while to figure it out.
Yes, I've had out-of-body experiences both as a child and as an adult– on my own without any aliens being around. After the aliens starting messing with my astral self, though, I began to fear and fight OBEs. Its only been in the last few years that I've relaxed my vigilance and begun to experiment again. Still, I rarely go far from my body. I've become used to interacting with the astral plane, but I'm still a big chicken! I'm getting better, but its a process for sure.
Kundalini yoga– a little. Kundalini energy work– a lot. I've done the whole tantric orgasm thing as well with the egg—>snake–>vortex–>lightning–>buzzing line–> popping out of your body and seeing The Light. Yeah. Check!
Yet, by the same token, I'm always a little skeptical of other people's reports. Some people have an agenda. Others are simply mistaken. So though I try to be open to possibilities, I also keep in mind there is room for bad information, too.
Is it possible for the aliens to do both physical and astral stuff in one experience? Yeah, but there is a distinction between the states of being. So far, in my memories, my physical abductions start and end that way– from my bed or car or whatever, and the same with astral abductions. The astral ones are the LEAST frequent. MOST of what they do, they need your actual body to do it. That's my guess, anyways. Generally, most of the spiritual stuff they can just send to you remotely– they don't need you to be present, physically, astrally, or otherwise.
In this particular case, as hard as it may be to accept, I'm certain that my body was taken physically, underwent physical experiences, and ended with being returned physically. They just changed my body for transport to and from the ship or whatever.
More of what I mean will be in future posts, which hopefully will help to illustrate my point.
Thank you for reading and asking great questions! =^) “
I'll add here that I haven't finished telling what I remember yet, I've only covered everything up to age 17, plus a smattering of experiences after that, as well as everything I can recall from 2006 until now. I think I'm about halfway through my entire set of memories– maybe a little over that–? So there is still a lot to cover from 1987 through 2005 or so. There's another 10 years of intense activity to report, some of which has been covered, but… I saved the hard to understand stuff and the experiences where I had witnesses (including neighbors who called the police once!) for last.
Which means that a lot of WHY I have come to tentatively believe what I do about my experiences hasn't been explained yet. I'm getting to it, I swear! Yes, where ever that alien city was, I was there physically, in my solid body again, for the duration that I can recall. They de-materialized and re-materialized my body apparently because its easier to sneak a human away and back again. Why they sometimes take us physically from our bed with escorts and ships, and why they sometimes just “beam” us up and down to and from ships– I don't know. There are different aliens, different groups of the same sorts of aliens, and different circumstances and obstacles to getting the human (when you live in rural areas, they come for you in person more, from what I've observed, but in crowded areas with lots of potential witnesses, they 'beam' people to and fro more, at least that's what I've noticed for myself and my husband.)
Because I do have a lot of knowledge and experience for astral levels of reality, I've REALLY paid attention to that whole notion of astral versus physical thing– and its not ALL one or the other. Its just not that simple. I know that this makes the entire situation harder to swallow for skeptics, and not so easy for New Agers who embrace the woo-woo alternatives over physical explanations, but this is where I'm at at this point. I know I risk displeasing everyone by not towing the line for either one side or the other, but I have to call it like I've found it to be: sometimes one and sometimes the other.
Its so hard for me to do this sometimes on a personal level because the all or nothing approach most people have to things is just not the way to figure out the truth. I'm not trying to fit reality into what I can understand of it– I'm trying to expand myself to accept the entirety of the reality. I often get suggestions from people asking if I've approached it from this or that (often currently trendy) perspective, and my real answer, which I KNOW is rude is: “Yeah, 20 years ago. But no longer.” I mean, I appreciate people offering ideas and asking questions– don't get me wrong! I just hope that everyone will have patience with me while I share what I remember and how I reached my conclusions to this point.
Overall, the more I've learned, the more I've understood that this isn't an easy set of experiences to relate to the public at large, because it steps on everyone's toes: religious, spiritual, intellectual… It cracks open most pre-conceived notions and laughs at them. But it also confirms some things that always seem to make sense. But you never know which will end up being which!
2012-08-29 03:08:13
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