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AR vs. AK as a Survival Gun
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:27
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FerFal –
Read your book twice, love it! Most don’t feel that
could happen here in America but anything is possible. Read where you said the
AR is flawed design. And for some time I wasn’t an AR fan either, but that’s
changed recently. I’ve come to experience the AR Colt 6520 as well as SURPLUS
ARMS and both are extremely reliable and far more accurate than I am. Compared
to the AK they are lighter and if you keep them lubricated they are just as
reliable. So when I factored these things together I’ve beed sold on the AR
platform.
could happen here in America but anything is possible. Read where you said the
AR is flawed design. And for some time I wasn’t an AR fan either, but that’s
changed recently. I’ve come to experience the AR Colt 6520 as well as SURPLUS
ARMS and both are extremely reliable and far more accurate than I am. Compared
to the AK they are lighter and if you keep them lubricated they are just as
reliable. So when I factored these things together I’ve beed sold on the AR
platform.
Is the AK a good battle proven rifle? YES. Without a
doubt the AK is battle proven but I’ve seen them jam on occasion. Is the AR a
battle proven rifle? YES.
doubt the AK is battle proven but I’ve seen them jam on occasion. Is the AR a
battle proven rifle? YES.
So perhaps you should review your feelings against the
AR platform, as I have. They’re reliable, accurate, light weight, and when
placed right, the 5.56 is lethal. In fact we spent the entire afternoon
destroying cinder block & brick walls and the 5.56 cut through them like a
hot knife through butter, and accurate. Follow up shots become second nature
before long.
AR platform, as I have. They’re reliable, accurate, light weight, and when
placed right, the 5.56 is lethal. In fact we spent the entire afternoon
destroying cinder block & brick walls and the 5.56 cut through them like a
hot knife through butter, and accurate. Follow up shots become second nature
before long.
Take care my brother in arms,
-Augustino
Hi Agustino, glad you liked my book. Many of the
things described in it are already happening in USA unfortunately. Lets hope it
doesn’t get much worse.
things described in it are already happening in USA unfortunately. Lets hope it
doesn’t get much worse.
The AR is a flawed designed because its direct gas
impingement proved to be an awful choice. For those unfamiliar with this
working mechanism, direct gas impingement means that gas is tapped from the
barrel through a gas port, goes through the gas tube directly into the bolt.
This happens to be a very bad idea because it fouls and overheats the bolt
carrier. It becomes especially sensitive to the kind of ammo used. Powder that doesn’t
burn as clean will have some serious consequences on the reliability of the
weapon. As a SHTF fighting rifle, I certainly wouldn’t want a gun that
sensitive in terms of what ammo I use on it. Chances are I’ll just grab whatever
I can afford, or if you want to look at it from an ever more extreme case,
whatever I can scrounge.
impingement proved to be an awful choice. For those unfamiliar with this
working mechanism, direct gas impingement means that gas is tapped from the
barrel through a gas port, goes through the gas tube directly into the bolt.
This happens to be a very bad idea because it fouls and overheats the bolt
carrier. It becomes especially sensitive to the kind of ammo used. Powder that doesn’t
burn as clean will have some serious consequences on the reliability of the
weapon. As a SHTF fighting rifle, I certainly wouldn’t want a gun that
sensitive in terms of what ammo I use on it. Chances are I’ll just grab whatever
I can afford, or if you want to look at it from an ever more extreme case,
whatever I can scrounge.
If you look at some of the best modern firearms made
today, like the ones in Phase II of the Individual Carbine Program to replace
the M4, none uses a direct gas impingement, and they favor mechanism that use a
piston of some sort, separating the dirty gasses from moving parts. In
fact, the AR design is so bad, that Colt itself named its Individual Carbine program
contender the Colt Advanced Piston Carbine (APC) because that’s right, they no
longer use direct gas impingement and now has a piston instead.
today, like the ones in Phase II of the Individual Carbine Program to replace
the M4, none uses a direct gas impingement, and they favor mechanism that use a
piston of some sort, separating the dirty gasses from moving parts. In
fact, the AR design is so bad, that Colt itself named its Individual Carbine program
contender the Colt Advanced Piston Carbine (APC) because that’s right, they no
longer use direct gas impingement and now has a piston instead.
You are right regarding how accurate they are, ergonomics
are also excellent, and there’s tons of accessories and parts for it, but compared
to the AK it certainly lacks reliability and robustness. Instead of spending big money in a top of the
line piston AR, to me it makes more sense to get an AK variant which is proven,
reliable and accurate enough which by the way already has one of those new flashy
piston thingies in it, you know, like Colt´s brand new “Enhanced” M4.
are also excellent, and there’s tons of accessories and parts for it, but compared
to the AK it certainly lacks reliability and robustness. Instead of spending big money in a top of the
line piston AR, to me it makes more sense to get an AK variant which is proven,
reliable and accurate enough which by the way already has one of those new flashy
piston thingies in it, you know, like Colt´s brand new “Enhanced” M4.
At the end of the day its up to you to choose your firearm
given not only your preferences but also personal circumstances. I would
strongly suggest taking your weapon of choice to basic and advanced gun fighting
classes, and there see how it performs. If after that you are still happy with
it, then that’s just fine. Keep it clean and ready to rock if needed. If you
keep having failures while training, then you might want to reconsider.
given not only your preferences but also personal circumstances. I would
strongly suggest taking your weapon of choice to basic and advanced gun fighting
classes, and there see how it performs. If after that you are still happy with
it, then that’s just fine. Keep it clean and ready to rock if needed. If you
keep having failures while training, then you might want to reconsider.
Its not only
about the gun design, but also about the manufacturer and even down to the particular
gun itself. They are not all equal. AKs are generally more forgiving due to an
intrinsically reliable design, but a beat up uSd 90 surplus AK47 put together
by a blind one-armed Afghan shooting ammo that was hand loaded by an eight year
old using a combination of gunpowder and dirt at a 50/50 rate may have
reliability issues too. In that case, your Smith and Wesson AR will be more
reliable. At the same time a well put together AK with decent optics can hit a
chest size target at 500 meters.
about the gun design, but also about the manufacturer and even down to the particular
gun itself. They are not all equal. AKs are generally more forgiving due to an
intrinsically reliable design, but a beat up uSd 90 surplus AK47 put together
by a blind one-armed Afghan shooting ammo that was hand loaded by an eight year
old using a combination of gunpowder and dirt at a 50/50 rate may have
reliability issues too. In that case, your Smith and Wesson AR will be more
reliable. At the same time a well put together AK with decent optics can hit a
chest size target at 500 meters.
I happen to like .30 calibers better too, so to me
that’s also a factor that comes into consideration. Either caliber can kill,
but to me quality 7.62 x 39mm ammo feels better than 5.56.
that’s also a factor that comes into consideration. Either caliber can kill,
but to me quality 7.62 x 39mm ammo feels better than 5.56.
Again, if you are happy with your gun and can use it
well, and most of all, if you train on regular basis, took classes with it
shooting a thousand rounds and you’re still confident about it, then go with
what works for you given your criteria.
well, and most of all, if you train on regular basis, took classes with it
shooting a thousand rounds and you’re still confident about it, then go with
what works for you given your criteria.
Take care and happy Thanksgiving!
FerFAL
2013-03-12 03:00:52
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