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Russians Killed Her – They Will Kill More
By Major Van Harl USAF Ret
AmmoLand Gun News
Wisconsin --(Ammoland.com)- In the US Navy if you are the ship’s captain and you allow your vessel to run aground or plow into another ship, that is the kiss of death to your naval career.
But this rule actually only applies to surface warfare ships, meaning the ones that float on the top of the water.
When it comes to submarines it would appear the no physical contact between a US sub and the other guy’s sub is not strictly enforced. In fact it has been an un-official practice ever since we have had a submarine branch of our Navy, if you can sneak up on your opponent and dent his sub first, you could get promoted.
Sort of like the modern equivalent of the old Native American practice of counting coupe on his enemy in battle. Touching, (even physically beating) and humiliating your enemy on the battlefield without actually killing them. No bloodshed, therefore no foul and no honor for your enemy.
US nuclear submarines have been playing high stakes “chicken” with the Russian Navy subs ever since the first nuclear powered sub was launched in the 1950s. We have the advantage of superior technology. The Russians had more subs but ours were always better–we thought.
A US sub commander would stalk a Russian sub to torment the Russian crew, just because they could. I lived in Scotland in the 1960s with my father the Navy Master Chief. He was stationed on a nuclear sub, repair ship. The rest of the US military may have been engaged in a “cold war” with the Russians but the sub fleet always went to sea as if they were in a hot war with the Soviet Union.
Our nuclear subs were so good they would drive right up under a Soviet sub and be only feet away from the top of the US sub, scrapping the bottom of the Russian sub. Every once in a while a Russian sub would start to submerge without knowing a US sub was directly below it. So the two subs would collide. For the US sub captain it was a badge of honor to show up at a US Navy base requesting millions of dollars in emergency repairs to his sub, because he had smacked into a Russian sub while hiding inside a Soviet Navy ship yard.
Since this was all top secret and the American public was not allowed to know about the potential world war, provoking actions of both countries submarine forces, no one knew just how close we kept getting, to going to war with the Russians, on a daily basis.
Submarines are known as the silent service. You cannot hear the subs patrolling underwater and you cannot hear the screams of the sailors dying as their subs fill with water on their way to crush depth. But in fact even in the early 1960s the US could hear both sides’ subs, cries of pain, as they died in the middle of the ocean.
On Memorial Day in 1968 the Soviet Navy killed one of our subs deliberately. They fired a torpedo into the USS Scorpion SSN-589 and killed the entire crew and they got away with it.
Weeks earlier a US sub was seen by Soviet agents limping back to port in need of extensive repairs. The Soviet sub K-129 had gone missing at the same time. The Russians had had enough of the Americans winning at the game of under-sea chicken, so the Soviets upped the stakes and just killed one of our subs.
We most likely caused their sub to sink, but as a by product of an accidental collision, not a deliberate act of war. What we did not know at the time was a US Navy Warrant officer had been selling top secret code information to the Russians for years prior to the sinking of the Scorpion.
On the day the Russians torpedoed the Scorpion they were reading all the message traffic between the Scorpion and Navy senior leadership. The Scorpion could not get away from its aggressors because the Russians knew every move the US sub was about the make.
Scorpion Down
Scorpion Down by Ed Offley ([email protected] http://tiny.cc/8jnsex ) tells the story of the death of that sub, a story the US and Russian Navies still will not tell.
It is a page turner and after you read what horrific damage a US traitor can do to our Nation’s security you may become a fan of water-boarding.
I still say the traitorous warrant Officer should be shot.
There is a new cold war that may very quickly turn into a European hot war. Russia will take the Ukraine and they want to go all the way to the English Channel. You don’t see that item on the 24 hour news channels. Russia and China will be at war in 3-5 years and Putin must naturalize his western flank before he goes head-to-head with the Chi-Coms.
US Navy watch your subs the Russians could do it again. “I know nothing-nothing,” Sergeant Schultz off with you to the Ukrainian Front. Buy more ammo it is going to start again.
Major Van Harl USAF Ret.
[email protected]
About Major Van Harl USAF Ret.:Major Van E. Harl USAF Ret., a career Police Officer in the U.S. Air Force was born in Burlington, Iowa, USA, in 1955. He was the Deputy Chief of police at two Air Force Bases and the Commander of Law Enforcement Operations at another. He is a graduate of the U.S. Army Infantry School. A retired Colorado Ranger and currently is an Auxiliary Police Officer with the Cudahy PD in Milwaukee County, WI. His efforts now are directed at church campus safely and security training. He believes “evil hates organization.” [email protected]
Source: http://www.ammoland.com/2014/04/russians-killed-her-they-will-kill-more/
I totally agree with you that the Warrant Officer should be fried slowly. I was stationed on a sub tender like your dad for 3 years and i can verify just about everything you say in your article. sounds like your dad was stationed in Holly Locke Scotland where we have a sub base. I was stationed at Rota spain on USS SIMON LAKE.
I was a local guy in dunoon beside the base at holy loch – greetings
ALso, that is NOT service to your country or fellow countrymen. That is Tom-Foolery and service to the New World Order’s desire for a global war and massive population reduction if those “games” escalated into an open conflict.
I read Scorpion Down by Ed Offley — Circumstances indicate the Scorpion was targeted, in advance. Presumably in retaliation for K 129 in the Pacific.
And it appears to me the Soviets had a cover story planned. The submarine seen on the surface, with welding being done ? The Soviets no doubt claimed the Scorpion had collided with it. And that the torpedo was a spur of the moment act by the commander.
I think two torpedoes were fired. One from in front of the Scorpion. That made them turn 180 degrees, accelerate, and head for the surface. Or radio-antenna depth anyhow.
The second torpedo was then launched from the east, right at them. And it detonated when it hit the pressure wave in front of the Scorpion. Much of the explosive force was dispersed. It blasted a hole in the underside of the bow. Blew the torpedo hatch open.
Probably bent the hull so much the underside broke open, in the middle.
If I remember, there was another Soviet submarine sunk by “an explosion” off the coast of Spain, less than 2 years later.
It’s important to remember, whichever story you believe, the US government knew immediately where Scorpion was. There were sound recordings of the whole incident.
And the US government conducted a fake search for months. Just like the Malaysian Airlines flight 370 fake search.
Wait, what? The US Navy deliberately damaging and sinking Russian ships by ramming them and causing millions of USDs of damage to their own crafts, let alone the risking of their own crew, is NOT a ludicrously irresponsible and frankly fkt up act of war? Is there no limit to the utterly puerile and provocative behaviour of the criminally insane grown ups in charge right now?
Excellent comment!
And why do we suddenly need to know about “the Scorpion” . . . . . Is the parasite cabal now attempting to (Lusitania) drive sentiments against Russia for the resource depleting, self enriching, youth annihilating conflagration that is being so fervently promoted?
Russia at war with china? Nonsense! I bet Putin is a chinese sockpuppet anyways.
And no, ‘murica’s nuclear subs were NOT that great. What propaganda!
There were slide show pictures of twisted metal bent inward. They would not answer questions and simply said to draw your own conclusion. It wasn’t hard. The perils of sub service.