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25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

That is right, AM. BLINDNESS in part has happened to Israel. To Jacob. Jacob has forgotten who he is.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

That is Sion – which doesn’t yet exist here on Earth. But when it does, that is where the KING will make His dwelling place. And so ALL ISRAEL shall be saved, as it is written (where’s eternal punishment in that verse, by the way? I digress). What does this say about those who say they are Jews and are not? It says nothing.

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Jacob is festering in his own filth, due in large part to his own rebelliousness and his own blindness. What of the fake Jews do you see in this verse? There is nothing.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father’s sakes.

So WHO are the elect, AM? Are the Messiah-denying liars living in the land? Do you really think they are the election? Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sakes. This applies to whom? The Pharisees Messiah excoriated in the New Testament? To whom does it apply?

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

And so is the Promised Land available to whomever decides to come and take it? Is that what you think this means? Judah was KICKED OUT OF THE LAND, AM. Do you think He has invited them back in as Messiah-hating, Gospel-denying reprobates? Do you think God CHANGED His mind? Think again.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

You do well to bear foremost in mind WHOM it is Paul is addressing here. ‘They’ are true Israel – at least Israel by birth. ‘They’ are not Ashkenazi (another lie) Kazar Edomites.

If you break out of the spell Esau has cast over you, you will be able to read the verses of Scripture plainly. You are under a spell, AM. Because you TRUST them. The Word teaches us to trust NO MAN.

They are entirely unworthy of your loyalty.

If you would like me to compile the prophecies which make this case patently obvious, I will do so. If you like I will share them with you here on the live board, or in private via email.

You’re under the thumb of your sworn enemy, brother. If you consider the utter hatred our Father has for these people, you would NEVER be caught defending them.

Matthew 24:16 doesn’t mention “Sion” but – G2449 - Ioudaia – Ἰουδαίᾳ – Judea. Could you please clarify, for this dummy, your intended meaning because you appear to conflate contradictory terms?

I’m sure WALTER will answer for himself but my take has it: True Israel equating to a people whereas False Israel equals a modern nation state.

Never mind, am123, i’ve caught your drift from WALTER’s comment and see that i wasn’t properly keeping up with the conversation. As you were.

“How about addressing the question a little more head-on?”

Granted, the current residents of Israel do not believe in Jesus (for the most part). Unless I misunderstand, you seem to want to push the prophecies/events of CHP 24 of Matthew into the new heavens/earth time period. That is when all will be as God wants and wills it to be. But I see the prophecies/events of CHP 24 of Matthew occurring at the end of this age, on this present earth, before the Second Coming. So I don’t understand where you’re coming from on this. I see CHP 24 of Matthew happening on this side of the Second Coming and you appear to see it happening on the other side of the Second Coming. So I see non-believers in the land of Israel right now, but the blindness of the Jews is not permanent as Paul told us and they will find Messiah at the end of this age right BEFORE the Second Coming. So all the rebelliousness/unbelief/blindness we see there right now matters not to me because in the end, their eyes will be opened to their true King. And the Word tells us that they will weep for Him before the Second Coming.

“HERE HAS TO BE A COUNTERFEIT ISRAEL”

Again, I don’t see it as two, but as a rebellious subset of the one. For example, in Korah’s rebellion, there were those who stood with Moses and the Lord and those who stood with Korah. They were one peoples literally split in two.

“You’re not a Gentile, AM. You are Jacob.”

More than that, I would say I am of Judah.

“You are afraid of this message, AM.”

Breaking out the psychological weapons, are we?

“Consider, AM. Then re-consider”

I see you are just itching to lay out your Scriptural case. Again, I don’t want you to waste the time and effort. But if you feel so strongly about it, go ahead. But do not get upset if I am not swayed. And instead of laying out the whole case, maybe just give me an overview or Readers Digest version and get my initial response before undertaking a larger effort.

Let me reinforce that I just don’t see it as two Israel’s and I have already agreed to disagree with you and am happy to leave it at that. But if you feel you must, fire away. Just don’t say that I didn’t warn you that you might as well stand up from where you are sitting and proceed to the near wall and start speaking your points to the wall.

“Unless I misunderstand, you seem to want to push the prophecies/events of CHP 24 of Matthew into the new heavens/earth time period.”

Not at all. This was what I meant:

“Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains…”

That warning was given to those who will see the Abomination spoken of by Daniel. That warning was given to those alive during the end of this age.

“I see the prophecies/events of CHP 24 of Matthew occurring at the end of this age, on this present earth, before the Second Coming.”

So do I. And I am perplexed by your confusion on the subject.

“So I see non-believers in the land of Israel right now…”

And what are those non-believers doing there? How did they get there? Did GOD bring them there? Because Jews and Christians alike are constantly crowing about modern Israel being a fulfilment of Bible prophecy. And it is, but not in the positive sense that the Jews and Zionist Christians intend. Someone walked into that land without a by-your-leave from on High. Someone intends to ‘cast it out for a prey.’ And someone has done this near the end of the age. That is what Scripture teaches. And Scripture gives us the identity of the usurpers.

“…the blindness of the Jews is not permanent as Paul told us and they will find Messiah at the end of this age right BEFORE the Second Coming.”

Where did Paul say that?

“So all the rebelliousness/unbelief/blindness we see there right now matters not to me because in the end, their eyes will be opened to their true King.”

Your penchant for excusing execrable behavior is magnanimous, AM. But my point is that you’ve mistaken your sworn enemy for a mere petulant brood of stiff-necks. Those people are a little more than folks who deny the Gospel. They deny the Old Testament as well. And they are deeply involved in a plot to ERADICATE Jacob – to smear him from the face of this world. Hence the alarm.

“And the Word tells us that they will weep for Him before the Second Coming.”

Does it? Please steer me to the passage.

“Again, I don’t see it as two, but as a rebellious subset of the one.”

I don’t doubt that there are true Jews mingled with the tribe in that land. And there ARE two subsets of Judah, as outlined in Scripture when Tamar gave birth to Pharez and Zarah (Genesis 38:27ff), one of which may harbor a grudge for a lost birthright – something they have in common with Esau.

“For example, in Korah’s rebellion, there were those who stood with Moses and the Lord and those who stood with Korah. They were one peoples literally split in two.”

True enough. But I argue an intrusion, not a rebellion from within. Rebellion from within is nothing new and would be little cause for alarm. It would be business as usual for stubborn Israel and stubborn Judah.

“More than that, I would say I am of Judah.”

He is a Jew which is one inwardly. I would agree with you.

“Breaking out the psychological weapons, are we?”

These are not the droids you’re looking for.

“…do not get upset if I am not swayed.”

I won’t. But I see it like this:

Once I was working on a project with the brethren involving Calendar study and the Dead Sea Scrolls. One of the brothers became concerned because he was convinced that the ancient Qumran Community were actually evil reprobates. Who knows. But he was concerned that we were leaning too heavily upon extra canonical documents discovered among the Qumran Library. I said to him in effect – ‘Brother, I hear you. I don’t agree with your views, but because you are the brethren and because you are sounding an alarm, we would be remiss in our duties as a fellow seekers if we simply ignored your warning. Let us do this: Let us raise our defense to ‘Defcon 3’ as it concerns this community. We will never base any part of our conclusions on their words alone, without second and even third confirming witness from within the canon. I do not see the danger you are indicating, but we should beware and heed your warning. Let us proceed accordingly and with due caution.’

That’s what I hope for from you in this case. The matter becomes increasingly important in the days and years ahead. Don’t lock out the possibility that these people are not who they claim to be – at least their leaders are not who they claim to be. You know that Herod the Great was the son of an Edomite father. The Edomite bloodline continued long after Herod. Many Edomites were forcibly converted in those days. He is not a Jew which is one outwardly.

“And instead of laying out the whole case, maybe just give me an overview or Readers Digest version and get my initial response before undertaking a larger effort.”

I’ll compose something brief for you and ship it off in an email. Tonight is too late and I’ll have too many verses to look up and tomorrow finds me otherwise occupied for many hours.

“Just don’t say that I didn’t warn you that you might as well stand up from where you are sitting and proceed to the near wall and start speaking your points to the wall.”

That’s no way to find truth, AM. Even Paul taught us to withhold final judgment on ALL of these things until we know for certain in the Kingdom. Multidimensional thinking is a prerequisite for us in these days. Utterly ruling out possibilities is dangerous.

@mattrick,

I see those Scriptures as pointing to the one fold belonging to our Shepherd and King, and the question here is how we should think about modern day Jews who believe not in our Shepherd……yet.

Paul tells us there is a mystery going on here, a kind of balancing act, and that the blindness of the Jews is not permanent. First, mercy came to the Gentiles, who were unbelievers. Now, the Jews are the unbelievers and in need of mercy, for they have been blind to the Gospel for about 2,000 years now. And Paul tells us that in the final generation, in His grand plan and scheme of things, mercy will come to the Jews and they will have their eyes opened by our Father who art in heaven. And so how should we look upon the Jews until then, until their eyes are opened? Paul tells us this:

* We should not boast against them (see ROM 11:18).

* We should not be highminded about them, but humble and respectful, for if God spared not the natural olives branches (the Jews), He will not spare the wild olive branches grafted in (the Gentiles) (see ROM 11:20-21)

* Paul did not want us to be ignorant of this mystery, lest we be wise in our own deceits (I submit that has happened to Walter/Mayhem/etc.), for the blindness that has happened to Israel is not a permanent thing, but is only until the fullness of the Gentiles come into the kingdom of God. Once the complete number of Gentiles enter the fold, then the blindness of Israel will be lifted and it will be life for the dead. (see ROM 11:15, 25)

That is not anything like what Walter and company are espousing.

I’m going with what the Apostle Paul said.

I rest my case.

You need to dig deeper, brother.

OK. You said:

“They have taken CRAFTY COUNCIL against thy people, and consulted against THY HIDDEN ONES…”

I see “thy people” as Israel, whom you know who wishes to cut off from being a nation.

Here is where we differ in this particular area: I do not see “THY HIDDEN ONES” as scattered Israel, I see the hidden ones as the elect.

“That’s no way to find truth, AM. …. Utterly ruling out possibilities is dangerous.”

We have already (at least on my part) reached the point to agree to disagree on. Have I not made my case clear? I am going with the Apostle Paul.

I’ve made my case and am happy with it.

So why go further?

“This verse says nothing about Jews coming to repentance or finding Messiah “at the end of this age right BEFORE the Second Coming.””

Sorry, that is my bad Walter, I should have included verse 15 with that, when life for the dead happens:

“For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?”

—ROM 11:15

“There is nothing in this verse about Jews weeping for Messiah BEFORE His coming.”

There is if you put these two pieces of the puzzle together thusly:

ZECH 12:10 tell of the Jews weeping for Messiah and MATT 24:30 tells of them weeping for Messiah. I tie these two events together as simultaneous events and you do not. I am fine with that and agree to disagree. For I see it thusly:

As per MATT 24:30:

1 – First, Israel and all the nations of the earth will see the sign of the Son of man in the sky (Hmmm….what sign in the sky will cause all the nations of the earth to recognize Messiah and weep for Him? A cross of course (another difference eh Walter ).

2 – Then they will mourn. This is where ZECH 12:10 comes into play.

3 – Then Jesus comes riding upon the clouds.

Let anyone who imbibes in the Holy Spirit contemplate this matter in your heart and see if MATT 24:30 and ZECH 12:10 aren’t tied together in your heart.

Speaking of the Holy Spirit, that is another difference between us Walter. I subscribe to all that Paul said (including speaking in tongues).

“There is not a single word written by Paul in his epistles that I discount.”

I could have made myself clearer. I did not mean to imply that you discount what Paul said about speaking in tongues, I meant that you do not speak in tongues. This I know from asking you that question before. Though I guess that doesn’t mean you haven’t started doing so from the time I asked before.

Genesis 25:23

And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

We’re all familiar enough with the story of Jacob tricking Isaac in order to obtain the blessing (which was rightfully Jacob’s after winning the birthright from Esau in a trade). Having obtained the blessing from Isaac, Jacob went his way and then came Esau to Isaac, begging for a blessing of his own. Esau said:

Hast thou but one blessing, my father? Bless me, even me also, O my father. And Esau lifted up his voice and wept.

Isaac responded:

Behold, thy dwelling shall be the fatness of the Earth, and the dew of the Heaven from above; and by thy sword shalt thou live, AND SHALT SERVE THY BROTHER; and it shall come to pass WHEN THOU SHALT HAVE THE DOMINION, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck.

So it is written that Esau the elder shall serve the Jacob the younger. TWO MANNER OF PEOPLE. TWO NATIONS.

Who is end of the age Jacob? And who is end of the age Esau?

Genesis 27:42

And these words of Esau her elder son were told to Rebekah: and she sent and called Jacob her younger son, and said unto him, Behold, thy brother Esau, as touching thee, doth comfort himself, purposing to kill thee.

Genesis 36

1 Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom.

2Esau took his wives of the DAUGHTERS OF CANAAN; Adah the daughter of Elon the Hittite, and Aholibamah the daughter of Anah the daughter of Zibeon the Hivite;

3And Bashemath ISHMAEL’S DAUGHTER, sister of Nebajoth…

[The generations of Esau become mingled with Canaan and Ishmael…]

Genesis 36:15

These were dukes of the sons of Esau: the sons of Eliphaz the firstborn son of Esau; duke Teman, duke Omar, duke Zepho, duke KENAZ…

KENAZ = H7073 קנז qenaz Probably from an unused root meaning to hunt; hunter; Kenaz, the name of an Edomite and of two Israelites…

[All inquisitive might look into Strong’s H6211 ASH http://biblehub.com/hebrew/6211.htm

Obadiah Chapter 1

The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the LORD, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle. Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised. The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground? Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD. If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?

How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!

All the men of THY CONFEDERACY have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.

Shall I not in that day, saith the LORD, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?

And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that EVERY ONE of the MOUNT OF ESAU may be cut off by slaughter.

FOR THY VIOLENCE AGAINST THY BROTHER JACOB shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.

[End of passage.]

Now why would Esau be destroyed for violence to his brother Jacob? Scripture clearly shows us Jacob (the man) and Esau (the man) made amends. But it is written, ‘Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated.’

Malachi 1

The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.

I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, and I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Whereas Edom saith:

WE ARE IMPOVERISHED, BUT WE WILL RETURN AND BUILD THE DESOLATE PLACES…

[Sound like anyone we know?]

…thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation forever. And your eyes shall see, and ye shall say, The LORD will be magnified FROM THE BORDER OF ISRAEL.

[End of passage.]

So why does The LORD hate Esau when Esau the man made amends with Jacob? Does His hatred run much deeper, to the people Esau? What has the people Esau done, or what are they DOING which evokes such passionate HATRED from the Most High?

Ezekiel 25:12

Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because that Edom hath dealt against the house of Judah by taking vengeance, and hath greatly offended, and revenged himself upon them…

Ezekiel 35:15

As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, BECAUSE IT WAS DESOLATE, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

And what did Esau do with that desolate inheritance of Israel?

Ezekiel 36:5

Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Surely IN THE FIRE OF MY JEALOUSY have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, WHICH HAVE APPOINTED MY LAND INTO THEIR POSSESSION with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, TO CAST IT OUT FOR A PREY.

Esau STOLE THE LAND. The DESOLATE LAND. Israel’s inheritance. Esau appointed that land into their own possession and they intend to CAST IT OUT for a PREY. Do you think this is history? Nothing of the kind has ever happened before these days. And consider what it may mean to CAST IT OUT FOR A PREY.

After the Man of Sin is revealed, and he goes out to destroy nations not a few, there are certain people who will not be effected by Antichrist’s reign of destruction. Guess which? Never mind. Let’s just ask Daniel:

Daniel 11:41

He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even EDOM, and MOAB, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

Who is MOAB, eschatologically speaking?

Psalm 83

Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee…

…The tabernacles of EDOM, and the ISHMEALITES; of MOAB, and the HAGARENES…

Lamentations 4:21

Rejoice and be glad, O DAUGHTER OF EDOM, that DWELLEST IN THE LAND OF UZ; the cup also shall pass through unto thee: thou shalt be drunken, and shalt make thyself naked.

“WHERE IS THE LAND OF UZ?”

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/20021230.htm

“The precise location of the land of Uz is uncertain, although The Bible record does provide some clues:

•The land may have originally been named after Uz, who was the son of Aram, and grandson of Shem (Genesis 10:23, 1 Chronicles 1:17).

•One of Job’s friends, Eliphaz, came from Teman (Job 4:1), which is in Idumea.

•Uz was subject to attacks from Sabeans and Chaldeans (Job 1:15,17).

•It had to have fertile pastures, since Job had many thousands of animals.

•It had at least one major city, since Job sat at the city gate.

The two most likely locations for the land of Uz is in Arabia, east of Petra (today, northwestern Saudi Arabia), or more likely, in Bashan, east of The Sea Of Galilee and south of Damascus (today, western Jordan or southern Syria).”

That is THE LAND OF ISRAEL, FOLKS.

Job 1:1

There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

Lamentations 4:22

The punishment of thine iniquity is accomplished, O daughter of Zion; he will no more carry thee away into captivity: he will visit thine iniquity, O daughter of Edom; he will discover thy sins.

“I applaud you Walter for the detailed and informed study of the Word.”

Thank you my good man. As I said I had to reconstruct that post – I had saved it somewhere, but…

“…what you are saying isn’t clicking with me.”

I get that.

“I could be wrong, but you seem to be making the case that those in the land of Israel today are Esau.”

They are Esau. And most certainly, the ruling power of the ‘Jews’ is comprised of Esau, at least as a major constituent. Our brother Ephraim (the BIN contributor) has very recently composed and posted a series on this aspect of our ‘condition.’ I recommend his work and I don’t recall you making your presence felt in any of his comment sections lately, so you might not be aware of his recent publications. He gives many good leads for further exploration into this subject.

“But isn’t Esau comprised mainly of Arabs today, mostly Muslims?”

You will note the distinction, brother; Scripture ALWAYS differentiates between Esau and Ishmael. No, Esau is not comprised of Muslims. Not in the world and not in the Word.

“To me it sounds like Muslims, who’ve built the Dome of the Rock.”

An Esau/Muslim connection is not a viable connection to draw. There is nothing in the Word upon which we could rest such an idea. As I say, Scripture ALWAYS draws a very clear distinction between the two. Though very often mentioned in the same verse, Ishmael and the Hagarenes are NEVER conflated or mingled with Edom/Idumea/Mount Seir in the Bible.

Consider this: In either event, Judah is comprised (in the main) of Caucasians. That is, if Judah is really Judah, then Judah is white. Or if Judah is really Esau, then Esau is (in the main) white. And if Esau is white, then his TWIN BROTHER Jacob is likewise, white.

Do you see where I’m going with this, AM?

Any way you cut it, Jacob is white. (Evidence in support of this literally abounds.) And someone in this world has set their sights on Jacob in a very big way. They intend him harm. They intend to ERADICATE him. As a BIN regular, you yourself must be somewhat of a conspiracy theorist. You must be aware that there are programs in place which are INIMICAL to the white Western world. (Gay marriage ring a bell? And while sodomy and same sex relationships are strongly encouraged in Israel, with Tel-Aviv being the ‘gay capital’ of the world, gay marriage is most unabashedly PROHIBITED there because gay marriage is destructive to society on a national level. ‘Judah’ (whoever he is) knows this. He encourages gay marriage for the States and for Europe, but he vehemently upholds all laws preventing that practice in the State of Israel. Evidence of this sort abounds, AM. And while it may indeed be circumstantial evidence, it is evidence nonetheless. Let he who has ears, hear.)

What we have lacked, until now, is a clear and definitive answer as to WHY these programs of wholesale destruction have been implemented against the Western Nations. What better way to make perfect sense of it all, than by overlaying the pattern of the ancient biblical rivalry?

The Biblical Narrative began in the Garden of Eden with Abel and Cain. It proceeded from there to Jacob and Esau. It persists today with the Daughters of Zion and the Daughters of Edom; two manner of people, at enmity with each other since the beginning.

“But like I said before, it seems like you’re throwing the baby out with the bath water with your vitriol (for lack of a better word) towards Jews wherever they may be…”

You can call it whatever you like, AM. We’ve been conditioned to dare not utter or mumble a stern word against this people. I can see why – look at the mileage it affords them. The enemy operates in plain sight, right in the center of the world as if on a stage with bright lights pointing at him. But he can only do that by pretending to be something he is not, which is the very hallmark of the Father of Lies. The fact is (at least the way I see it) you underestimate your enemy, brother. Not for nothing are we exhorted by Paul never to be ignorant of the ways and wiles of our Enemy. You told me once you have little interest in examining the writing, the teaching, the tactics and the strategy of the enemy. Well? Now here we are. I’ll try not to say I told you so later on. But at least now, like it or not, your unconscious brain will be peering around the corner, looking askance at every yarmulke and tallit, thinking: damn that WALTER!!! What if he’s RIGHT!!! (Now, I am playing Jedi mind-tricks on you.)

“…and I don’t see any of the attributes Paul said we should have towards the Jews.”

And I don’t believe you and Paul are talking about the same people. But even if you are, I harbor no real hatred for this enemy. That does not include the leaders at the top who perpetrate disgusting crimes against Adam-kind knowingly and willingly and then boast about it. Those I hate. But the rest are just as deluded as most everyone else in this world. They think they’re right to do the things that they do and harbor the disgust for Adam-king that they harbor. And the non-religious among them, the secular socialists or neocons who are just in it for power and money? I don’t even view them as the real enemy – they’re just cogs in the wheel.

“As to the conspiracy stuff you’re talking about, I don’t think the kind of scheming you mention make sense with regards to, why would Israel want to destroy America, it’s greatest friend, a super power, and seek to elevate Islam, who thirsts for their destruction? Plus, it is not all Jews that are part of TPTB, i.e. Bill Gates is not a Jew.”

Bill gates is a servant of this enemy. Speaking of conspiracies, I believe the United States was founded, in part, to be the witting and un-witting tool of Israel – a nation, it is true, that did not exist at the time ours was founded, but the evidence is there nonetheless. And do recall, we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, and against spiritual wickedness in high places. I really do hang on every word of Paul, brother. I labor to remain ignorant of nothing he’s said. I tread these waters carefully. I fear and revere our KING. I would not level an accusation against this people the way I do, had I not ardently and painstakingly looked into every facet of the question, and every verse of Scripture, I can fathom.

“you underestimate your enemy, brother. Not for nothing are we exhorted by Paul never to be ignorant of the ways and wiles of our Enemy. You told me once you have little interest in examining the writing, the teaching, the tactics and the strategy of the enemy. Well? Now here we are. I’ll try not to say I told you so later on.”

Since I do not see the current state of Israel in the middle east as you do, then according to page 89, paragraph 12, clause 3 of the BIN ground rules, you get no points for this. None. Zero. Nada. Goose eggs.

“But at least now, like it or not, your unconscious brain will be peering around the corner, looking askance at every yarmulke and tallit, thinking: damn that WALTER!!! What if he’s RIGHT!!! (Now, I am playing Jedi mind-tricks on you.)”

Have you forgotten Wally? Jedi mind-tricks don’t work (see last verse) on those who’ve entered into the rest of the Most High!

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

—HEB 4:9-12

Nice try, but because I am an olive tree growing in the house of God, my discernment won’t fail me!

“I really do hang on every word of Paul, brother. I labor to remain ignorant of nothing he’s said. I tread these waters carefully. I fear and revere our KING. I would not level an accusation against this people the way I do, had I not ardently and painstakingly looked into every facet of the question, and every verse of Scripture, I can fathom.”

I think you would have to agree with this: believing you are doing the right thing is of course a favorite tactic of you know who

That’s why they call it deception, right?

So I think the best I can do here is hope and pray our Father who art in heaven opens your eyes and you do another 180 and come stand with me for the current land of Israel at some point down the road.

The BOTTOM LINE for me on this issue is CHP 11 of ROM, that is how we Gentiles, recipients of mercy from the Most High, are to look upon those who are in need of mercy now, the Jews, who have been blind to their Messiah for about 2,000 years now. But I do not see from you any of the sentiment Paul spoke about that we Gentiles are to have towards the Jews, even towards those whom you would consider “true” Israel, where ever they may be scattered upon the earth.

And for that reason, as they would say on Shark Tank, I’m out.

I’m not buying what you’re selling.

In other words, I agree to disagree.

Are we done now Wally?

My finger is weary using my mouse scroll wheel to get to the Reply button.

“…according to page 89, paragraph 12, clause 3 of the BIN ground rules, you get no points for this. None. Zero. Nada. Goose eggs.”

But keep reading – subsection 3.5, appendix 8 makes it clear that there are no time limits set for the claims heretofore read into the record and annotated, including but not limited to everything contained on this page and in all other comment sections at this website under the various monikers employed by the BIN contributor formerly known as BEEF SUPREME (the original, not to be confused, confounded or conflated with any subsequent impostor or criminal) with respect to the modern State of Israel (so-called).

“Have you forgotten Wally? Jedi mind-tricks don’t work (see last verse) on those who’ve entered into the rest of the Most High!”

Yeah, but if I swing my Bible at you, you still have to duck.

“Nice try, but because I am an olive tree growing in the house of God, my discernment won’t fail me!”

(Snide comment withheld from publication.) Just make sure you’re actually GROWING brother. Make sure of it.

“…believing you are doing the right thing is of course a favorite tactic of you know who…”

One thing I don’t see agents (willing or otherwise) of the enemy doing, is constantly checking and re-checking their bearings. Nor do they PROVE everything. Nor do they subject themselves to the possibility that they might be wrong. Nor do they examine their own perspective from deep behind enemy lines. (And no, AM, I did not just insinuate or imply that you are an agent of the enemy. Nothing of the kind. But you do seem to have something in common with them from where I stand, which is this: you have not much ability to remain malleable in the presence of information. You’re too rigid. Donning the armor of God does not mean being perfectly inflexible before all intelligence, all data and all material. God gave us the written Word. He also gave us nature to examine, to study, as a tool for helping us to better understand the word. He gave us an ass upon which to sit, that we might ponder these things and meditate on them intently. He gave us knees on which to kneel while we pray for His guidance in these matters. And He gave us an invaluable source of incorporeal substance to explore, in the internet, enabling us to become as globetrotting researchers without ever leaving our dwelling-place. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required. And to us, much has been given. Much indeed.)

“So I think the best I can do here is hope and pray our Father who art in heaven opens your eyes and you do another 180 and come stand with me for the [RESIDENTS of] the current land of Israel at some point down the road.”

You’re asking me to retreat to my initial position, brother. That is something I hope I never do. That is not to say I am unwilling to learn and to incorporate new data into my understanding. I am willing to be wrong. I’ve actually grown quite accustomed to being wrong and to being shown the errors of my ways. Are you willing to be wrong?

“But I do not see from you any of the sentiment Paul spoke about that we Gentiles are to have towards the Jews, even towards those whom you would consider “true” Israel, where ever they may be scattered upon the earth.”

You are Israel. Have I shown you my ire? Do I accuse you? Do I point my finger at you and suggest that you are an enemy? There are many Christian believers (that is Bible-studying and Bible-believing Christians) whom I consider to be Israel; whom I consider to be the real Jews Paul spoke of. Do you see me accusing them?

Yes, AM… I believe we’re finished here. And I know you will not forget all that I have said above. More than that I cannot ask at the moment. You likewise have my assurances that I will not forget your arguments or your stance. Unless you have somewhat to add, we can consider this conversation concluded.

[That is a long scroll to the top, in'nit? The index finger on my right hand has become most muscular.]

AM, I have to say, I’m a bit disappointed with how you’ve handled this subject. You’ve got your tunnel-vision goggles on with your sights set on Romans 11 and the scary Muslims – but you confuse, or conflate (I can’t figure this one out), the modern state of Israel with the title given to JACOB. The identity of Jacob (Israel) has been lost and scattered. Edom has not. Edom aims to retake the blessing that Jacob stole. Edom is currently IMPERSONATING Israel, lying and claiming a title that does not belong to them. The Bible says this. Historians confirm this. And the current conditions of world events demands this. The evidence IS 100% against your position.

Considering the entirety of the conversations concerning this subject in which you’ve been a part, I KNOW that the answers to many of the greatest conspiracies of today, about the Mysteries and about Israel’s role in the end, have been clearly laid out for you – with Scripture; and you’ve swatted it all away with a sarcastic ‘pffft’, a misinterpretation of Romans 11, and a curse directed at those who wholly disagree with you.

“but you confuse, or conflate (I can’t figure this one out), the modern state of Israel with the title given to JACOB.”

I believe Jews/Israel are upon this earth in the land of Israel today, in Brooklyn, and other places on earth. They are the ones Paul was talking about when he said they were blinded, they have a veil over their hearts. But their blindness is not permanent. And as Paul tells us, in the end, they will find Messiah. So yes, my view of them comes from looking at them through the lens of ROM 11. I don’t know if I can make it any plainer than that.

“AM, that verse is talking about ISRAEL. It is talking about Jacob.”

I agree. But apparently, Walter does not, for regarding this he said:
“There are many Christian believers (that is Bible-studying and Bible-believing Christians) whom I consider to be Israel; whom I consider to be the real Jews Paul spoke of.”

So you’re saying one thing and Walter is saying another.

So I guess I rest my case…..again.

“So you’re saying one thing and Walter is saying another.”

No, AM.

Scanner and I are both saying the same thing as Paul.

Israel, in the main, is asleep at the wheel.

The elect are not asleep.

You made the target of your curse quite clear when you said in the previous statement that “those of you here on BIN who speak the Word and are my friends, like Mayhem and others, and yet speak against the current state of Israel”

I’ve never seen you attempt to correct yourself so I found it interesting that you would be so proud as to call yourself a “growing” olive tree. You begin to speak in circles when something is presented to you that doesn’t quite line up with your understanding of Scripture so I’m no longer surprised by these trivial tactics to turn the tables on me as you did here.

The crux of the argument remains. You believe to have Israel identified. I believe you don’t.

WALTER has presented the evidence. Nothing more needs to be said.

Agree to disagree, as you will. But thank you both for the thorough and honest discourse.

Goodspeed AM.

Don’t step in anything slick and steamy on the road.

And watch out for those low-flying hoopleheads. Sometimes they like to drop ‘presents’ on our heads.