“No BS How To Win In A Gun fight”
First of all I will qualify myself;
I am a retired Police Oficer, 6 yrs SWAT, 10 Years Department Rangemaster. I am a better than average shot. I have shot armed suspects. So having qualified myself I hope you will pay attention to what I have to say and stay alive.
I am not going to feed you a line of BULL these are special times and they call for drastic measures over and above what a good rangemaster will teach you at a ranch or in a shooting school.
I am going to by pass, how to stand or where to put your finger on your gun. Practise as much as you can and you will reap the reward form the practise.
Let’s get a couple things out of the way. What kind of Gun and what caliber ammo.I have a few things you may not have heard before.
#-1 Composit to metal guns: If you already own one well all I can say is beware. Do not buy any gun that has a metal upper slide and a lower composite trigger area.
Limp-Wristing, The harmonics between the upper metal slide and the lower composite trigger housing do not work well together especially if you are shooting it around a corner, you will stove pipe the ejecting round do to limp wristing and this could cost you your life or your loved ones life if it happens at the wrong time. It is very easy to stove pipe the above configured weapon when you are excited and in the fight of your life.
I alway live by the creed that ” it is better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6″.
Understand we are talking about life threatening circumstances of a break down of society and all Hell has broken loose and it is SHTF-FUBAR and all the other achronims combined.
I prefer A all metal Handgun. a sigsauer is the best- I was the dept. armorer for this weapon and I watched 20,000 + rounds go through the dept. SWAT team guns and upon inspection was amazed to see how little wear if any had occurred.
Caliber. With todays new ammo hitting what you aim at is more important than how big or how many rounds you can send toward the guy trying to shoot you. In a real gun fight I keep my finger on the trigger. If you come face to face with another person who has a hand guns pointed at you and you have your finger outside the trigger housing and he does not guess who is going to shoot first.
I use mag-safe ammo. It is very expensive so do not use it for practise. For off duty/Back up weapon I carry a small 380 Stanless steel AMT with Mag-Safe ammo that can deliver 550 Lbs of foot energy. That is equal to a 45 Call auto.
Almost all shooting happen much closer than you would expect. I normally carry my 45 auto S&W 457 model when I am expecting trouble or travelling out of town.
ALways watch the other persons hands when first engaging a potential suspect who may want to engage you in a gun battle. I do not care how mean he Mad Dogs you, this is a distraction, watch the hands and stay alive.
Remember the Creed.
Staying alive by winning the fight is what it is all about!
Indiangunslinger ( 25 yrs on the streets)
“practice” It is hard to believe you are a reliable source when you don’t use spelling or grammar check. You say SigSauer is the best then state you carry a S&W 457 when you expect trouble and I take it aren’t carrying your “off duty” 380? Polymer guns suck, 1911′s rock.
Excellent info, thank you for sharing! I hope to never ha e to use, however, the one time one needs and does not have will be the last.
I personally CC a FNH FNP40 and couldn’t be happier with it. A bit hard to conceal but of all the semi autos I have personally owned, it has performed the best for me. Still a big fan of S&W mod 686.
Dear Pig,
Thank you so much for sharing with me your ‘inside secrets’ of a gun battle! I will be sure to share this with all of my pig hating brothers & sisters!
Forty years ago one of you pigs ‘planted evidence on me. I am not even black-skinned! I just had long hair and was male and young. You will now all have hell to pay.
The sins of your forefather pigs will be visited on you. NOW.
Because your Drug Laws were made so the pig (YOU) can have on his person the ‘dope’ to put in the black man’s pocket, then arrest him, ransack his house, steal his stuff, screw his wife by threat of his arrest (‘screw me and I will help your black man’, says the evil u.s. of Terror white-skinned judeo.chris.scum.dumb following pig), and put the black man into a corporately owned private prison that THE PIGS’ ‘Pension Plan” invests in!
I will be in a high place with my 30 odd 6 and infrared laser scope, pig, with my facial recognition software running, and when I identify one of you (through your own hacked data banks, moron), I am going to ‘put you out of your misery’, us of Terror pig!
Hope to meet you in person soon!
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Ever hear of a TOR browser?
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MORON Praise Jebus!
I post with impunity.
Period.
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It is the first thing, Praise Jebus, you white-skinned male judeo-chris.scum.dumb hoarder killers always bring up in conversation when talking about your prison system.
It just proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are all perverted, brain washed from birth, lunatics who cannot be rehabilited, and must be eliminated from our new society.
Idiot
I’m a Former combat Marine………..your advice sounds good to me Indiangunslinger !
Grew up around guns most of my life. I was always told to steer clear of the 380.
It is true that a 380 use to be shunned, Now that they have good ammunition for it, it is not a bad weapon up close. It is like anything else you choose to carry learn to use it and it will work for you. I carry it because I am retired and with things going the way they are today I just do not like to be without a handgun. It is easy to conceal and when it is loaded with Mag-Safe it is more than adequate.
When I was active duty PD I carried the 226 Sig 9mm. I also always carried the 380 on my ankle.
I have been retired for 15 yrs and still carry the 380 with the S&W 45 near by.
Thank you for the favorable comments.
Indiangunslinger
Thanx for sharing. I CC a 9mm Makarov. Hollow points. I never chamber the first round though. That’s just me. I do it more for safety reasons. I figure the act of pulling back the slide may give one pause. Perhaps I’m wrong in this thinking. Or maybe, I just don’t want to blow my balls-off pulling it out of my waist holster during the heat of battle….LOL
You need to keep your gun loaded. I understand the concern about an accidental discharge(AD).
Practice drawing your weapon over and over while it is empty. You seem to lack confidence in yourself. repetition is the only thing that will teach you the necessary muscle memory. How you train is how you will react under stress in a real situation. If you have access to a shooting simulator I recommend you spend as much time on it as possible. Normally the scenarios on the sim. will place some stress on you while you are shooting your weapon. One of the reasons that the US Military is the best in the world is because of something called MILES gear.During training alpha team wearing MILES gear and will be against Beta team also wearing MILES gear. When they shoot at each other a hit is recorded and they are removed from the war game KIA or killed in action. There is new training gear called Stress vest that will shock the person wearing it when the vest is hit by the opposite team. Normally this involves a laser attached to the weapon that is activated when a blank round of ammo is fired.
Being Blunt:
Now back to your problem. It is hard enough to make the decision to actually shoot someone. You will not have time to load your weapon, take the safety off, and then acquire your target you are setting yourself up for failure.
If you have small children in the house then that is another matter of concern and you would be wise to not keep one in the chamber. When you are getting ready to leave the house, arm then put the safety on if it has one. If you do not know how to do a “Press Check”
find out how to do this with your weapon.
Hope this helps.
IGS
Having lived DOWNRANGE… I found that being in a GUNFIGHT means that your OPSEC is not worth a dam. Practice hard at being in a SHOOTING, with YOU being the SHOOTER… and forget the DAM gunfight. No offense to the officer, his advice is outstanding…and I know that we all may face a gunfight someday…let just pray that that day never comes.
Not too many LEO’s I know would call themselves a “gunslinger”. Gun Fighter maybe…
So why do you carry a S&W 457 when you have such high praise for the Sigs your Dept. used? And, I would disagree on the .380 ACP generating 550 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. The MagSafe website says their hottest .380 round only generates 300 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle. You would have to crank the round up to 2,300 fps to get over 500 ft/lbs, and I don’t know of any .380′s on the market that could handle a load that hot (not even the all-metal Sig Sauer 238).
As for composite or polymer weapons stove-piping rounds due to harmonics, that one’s a stretch at best. Stove pipes happen when the handgun kicks up and catches the ejected casing between the slide and the barrel as the slide returns forward. This is caused by having a weak or limp wrist when shooting regardless of whether it’s an all-steel 1911 or a polymer Glock 21. I have both and have never had a problem with “stove-piping”.
Sorry Gunslinger, I don’t mean to pick your lesson apart here, but the only thing I agree with you on is bullet placement. Taking that extra instant to make certain your round hits what you are aiming at will be more effective than “magnum” .380 rounds, or having ten rounds in the air all at once that were part of a “spray and pray” tactic.
For anyone interested, there’s a good book on this topic titled,
Guns, Bullets, And Gunfights: Lessons And Tales From A Modern-Day Gunfighter
by Jim Cirillo. Cirillo was with NYPD, and a veteran of their Stakeout Squad. He was in multiple gun fights throughout his career, and you will be surprised what type of ammunition he recommends to survive one. Here’s a hint: It’s not MagSafe ammo or even Hydrashocks.
Semper Fi
TKS Archangel.
I appreciate your comments. Let me correct a couple of things here I left hanging that you pointed out.
First, I could not afford to buy a Sig 45.Cal weapon so I bought a weapon that feels and shoots like a sig. The S&W 45 was similar and fit my hand best, the main difference being that I must take off the safety before I can pull the trigger. As you may or may no know the Sig does not have a manual safety.
On the composite upper, I know of several Police officers who practice on a regular bases and still have Stove Piping with a Glock. One officer was in 8 shooting during his police career and jammed 4 time out of the 8 shootings when engaging a armed suspect. I do not consider a 50% reliability rate as a good investment especially when your life is on the line.
I only recommended using the Mag-safe for a small caliber weapon. When I bought my Mag-Safe (14 yrs ago) it had a higher velocity and it was changed because the end user started using the ammo in a cheap gun and they either flew apart when shooting or jammed because it was a piece of crap to start with. Mag-Safe advises not to use their ammo in a cheap gun but you know how that goes.
Thank you for your service.
Indiangunslinger
wadcutters
Back in the 60′s and 70′s before real good ammo was developed we use to reverse our wad cutter so that the hollow side pointed out and put in a few more grains of powder so that it left the four inch combat master piece right at mag speed 1300 ft per sec.made a nasty wound.
Of course it did not fly straight past 20 yrds but most shoot outs occurred much closer than that.
IGS
I carry a 12 gauge.