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To those of you who believe you are the Chosen ones, with a special identity apart from Christ!
Our desire is for all to come to Christ to escape the judgments. We take no delight in the perishing of any, however many will indeed perish because they adhere to dead works!!
To those of you who believe you are the Chosen ones, with a special identity apart from Christ!
How dare you insinuate filthy accusations against us for declaring the truth?
We don’t attack you for your beliefs, the Word of God does that !
But rather we show the Scriptures that declare there is:
- Only one way, and this is through Christ.
- Only one real Truth and this is revealed by His Spirit of Truth.
- Only one Real Faith. This is the same Faith that Abraham possessed
- Only one body, all who are in Christ Jesus
We Love all who are lost, otherwise these posts would not transpire.If you think you are found then stop reading these posts.
Those who are uncomfortable in their so-called faith or belief system, (because it is of an ever changing testament of men, who are all but sinners) must resort to attacking anyone who disagrees with their truths!
We provide clear and concise scripture from the Old and New Testaments and:
- They are not understood, because without the Holy Spirit, they can be interpreted to mean whatever suits your particular fancy.
- What is presented is of the Word of God and yet the verses are not read, and if they are not read nor understood then the replies are quite useless for all.
- Even without the commentary what is presented should be easy to grasp, if one truly is a Child of the Living God. And yet it is not, because the wisdom of man is the guiding light for many; that quite often simply is darkness, masquerading as light!
- The ridiculous arguments related to articles presented by this Ministry, are simply an attack on the Words of Christ. We present no new doctrines just the correct interpretation of what is already written, as they are revealed to us.
- If you find fault in them move along. Your hatred for the truth is a witness against you.
We attack no man; that is a job according to scripture for the King of Kings, who asks all: “when I return shall I find faith on the earth”?
Luke 18:7-8 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Here is a parable for you self-righteous hypocrites!
Luke 18:9-14 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day. Isa 2:11
All the horns of the wicked also will I cut off; but the horns of the righteous shall be exalted. Psa 75:10
To whom much is given much is required. To be comfortable in our own Assurance of Salvation, without sharing what the Holy Spirit has allowed us to clearly see, would be sinful and worthy of Great Judgment.
Christ is the only Redeemer. Many, who claim a special identity, purpose and place with Christ, destroy what is implied and never utilize context. Here is an example of the ignorance displayed.
Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
So, from this one verse a twisted interpretation would falsely claim that Israel and thus the tribes (including Judah) were in no means cast away, and that they are his people.
Paul was not jewish, not of the tribe of Judah, and was called by the Holy Spirit to witness to the world of Christ. The Father did not cast away those who were faithful to Him, consider the faith of Abraham.
But wait it gets much better!
Romans 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
This is in reference to the Lord’s knowledge of who would indeed come to Him, through Christ.
And here is the best verse used out of context completely.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
If you insist on using the above verses to justify your special identity, look at the previous chapter for context.
Romans 10:1-3 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
What else is Paul talking about in these passages?
Here is a link to an article on the True Israel of God, Born Again Believers Are The True Israel of God
Note: there is nothing in this article about speaking in tongues.
Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
God’s people are the ones that faithfully follow Him; those that reject the Son also reject the Father.
Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
The remnant represented the people that would be persecuted by the same wicked spiritual rebellion that possessed those that persecuted Christ; anyone that hates the Son also hates the Father, and has no covering for their sin.
None of these evildoers will be spared destruction, as they all hated Christ without a reason (Psalm 69:4; John 15:19-25).
Jesus is the vine and we are the branches, however the Christian church teaches that Israel of the flesh that for the most part despises Christ, is still a branch of the Lord’s planting.
The remnant at the end of this age, are those who keep the commandments of Christ and the word of His testimony; they worship God in the Spirit and rejoice in Christ (Rev 12:17; Phl 3:3).
Romans 11:20-22 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural (or original) branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
If Jesus is the vine and we are the branches, we had better make sure we truly abide in Him. Christ spared not the natural branches, and that which is destroyed can not be grafted back in to the vine. Below are three verses that all utilize the same two descriptive words, and they are, spared not; together these words represent total destruction.
God spared not the natural branches, be ye not also in unbelief lest you also be not spared (Romans 11:21).
God spared not the angels that sinned, but they are now bound, and await a final judgment (2 Peter 2:4).
God spared not the life that He created, save eight souls and those creatures residing in the ark, destroying the ungodly (2 Pet 2:5).
Paul makes a clear distinction regarding the people that belong to God; say not therefore to those that are put away that God has put away His people. God did not put away those that He knew from the beginning that were predetermined to obtain an inheritance with His Son (Rom 11:2, 5, 7; Rom 8:29; Eph 1:11).
Because Jesus is the vine and we are the branches, we can be called the children of God, His chosen and the Elect, if we abide in Him.
As Branches we must produce good fruit or we also will be cut off, and Christ will say at that Day of Judgment, depart from me you workers of iniquity.
Israel after the flesh for the most part did not obtain the knowledge of the Kingdom even though the Kingdom of God came to them. Those that were of the sect of the Pharisees and Sadducees were a rebellious people that were contrary to all men and thought of themselves as holier than all others (Isa 65:2-7; 1 Thes 2:14-16).
Obviously these were not His people as they wanted the inheritance that Christ would offer to all mankind, for themselves.
They murdered the Messiah fearful that all would believe on Him because of His miracles and words of truth.
They were only concerned with the Romans taking away their position and power over the people; truly they were of their father the devil (Math 21:33-41; John 11:47-53; John 8:38-44).
If Jesus is the vine and we are the branches, then what right do those that have always despised Him have to be called a Branch of God?
Israel after the spirit, the remnant according to the election of grace, did obtain the knowledge of the truth in Christ Jesus.
If one can understand the simple message of truth, that Jesus is the vine and we are the branches, the message in Romans chapter 11 is really not that difficult to understand.
God allowed those that He originally appeared too, to make a choice; some rejected Him and as a result of their fall the Lord’s punishment was quite severe. They were destroyed for their unbelief, and were never considered to be His people.
Those that accepted Him were treated with goodness, and the promise of inheritance; to all that received Him they were given the power to become the sons of God. This promise was given to all peoples (John 1:12; Rom 8:14; 1 John 23:1-2).
Jesus is the vine and we are the branches, and every branch that does not bear fruit is taken away. Just like it was when Christ came to those who claimed to be of the house of Judah, so too will it be at the end of this age (John 15:1-20).
The promises are Spiritual and were not made to Abraham and his seed as of many, but to Jesus Christ, who sealed us with His Holy Spirit of promise (Gal 3:16).
The promise to be called sons of God was not given to the tribe of Judah or to Israel through the Old Testament law (Rom 4:13-16).
It is through Christ alone can men receive the promise of eternal life, as Jesus is the vine and we are the branches of His planting (Eph 1:13; 4:30).
Jesus Is The Vine And We Are The Branches | The 144,000 That Are Sealed
http://destinedtoberevealed.com link to above article
The 144,000, who follow Jesus, are sealed as are all in Christ.
The truths in Romans chapter eleven will become even clearer after studying the articles below:
Sealed With The Holy Spirit Of Promise |Set Apart In Christ Unto Salvation
How about the New Covenant, is the old still in play?
The answer is revealed in the article Redeemed From The Old Testament Law
Then look at Jesus revealed in the Old Testament Jesus Christ in the Old Testament
The claim is made that, “He will save His people and enter once again into a covenant relationship with them” If they have already refused His New Covenant, how is this possible?
2 Thess 2:10-12 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Therefore my people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst. 14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it. Isaiah 5:13-14
Therfore my people is another mistranslation, the correct word is simply people, they know not of Him, and He knows them not either. This same usage of “my people is used countless times in the Bible.
The above verse speaks of the fact that they have no knowledge. They falsely claimed to be saved with or by works as do most christians!!
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! 21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! Isaiah 5:20-21
1 Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:
2 And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.
3 And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard.
4 What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?
5 And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:
6 And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.
7 For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.
Isaiah 5:1-7 (KJV)
Consider the parable of the vineyard that Christ gave
Mark 12:1-9 A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country.
And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.
And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty.
And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled.
And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some.
Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.
But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.
And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.
What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.
But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. Isaiah 11:4
This speaks of Christ, we are warning all to come out of the false teachings of man and enter into a relationship with the King of glory!!
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people;
to it shall the Nations seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. Isaiah 11:10-11
The nation of Israel today is not representative of the True Second Gathering!
Yeah what ever. God the Mafia thug, believe or I’ll torture you for all eternity. No thanks I have way better morals.
Good that the attitudes and doctrinal position expressed here are not those of YHWH God or His Son Jesus (Yeshua)
Those who have the truth also walk in the Spirit
James 3:13-18
destine2b???
I have placed two papers in the last 2 weeks or so on BIN that use scripture and logic proving the 10 commandments are to be obeyed today and the rapture is a lie of Satan and I am soon posting one that destroys Rome’s dogma of the trinity which her daughters all follow blindly.
and just for you I will post one on the born again lie you teach.
I read your papers and post comments that disprove them using scriptures and logic and you are angry??? Don’t you want to know the TRUTH?? Do you want to continue teaching lies?
By the way did you read my comment where I posted those “silly” scriptures from Exodus proving the Ark of the Covenant containing the two tables of Testimony is under the Mercy Seat which is the Throne of God and both are in the HOLY of HOLIES??
You are free to do the same to my papers, except for the fact they are based upon Every WORD of GOD and HIS truth.
I have never in my 75 years had any one tell me Jesus Christ never kept the 7th Day Sabbath. I am still blown away by that one————- Do you not even under stand the simple fact if Christ did not keep perfectly all 10 of the Commandment including the 4th He could not be our savior??? REALLY you do not see that fact???
WOW !!!!
Destined2btotallyconfused
Your statements I will enclose in brackets { }
Mine will begin with the pound sign #
# comment up front:
#You are not reading word by word, you are reading “thoughts”, if the scripture is close enough to what you want it to say – then that what it says to you —–God’s statement is very clear — We are to live by every WORD – every single word that comes out of the mouth of GOD. You “read over” words that have a major impact on the intent of the scripture. Not a good idea!
{{ How dare you insinuate filthy accusations against us for declaring the truth?}}
## I am not insinuating — I am stating your are NOT DECLARING the TRUTH.
{You say__In Hebrews 8 Paul clearly states the reason the First Covenant was breached was due to the fact the Israel could not keep their side of the agreement; the children of Israel breached the contract — not God. }
{Really lets see what God says?}
{For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second}.
Hebrews 8 “For finding fault with — them,— he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
# Hebrews 8 clearly states God found FAULT with THEM and does not mention the LAW or the contract itself !!
[A new covenant to replace the old!!]
# Please reread verse 8 it does not say the old is being replace –you are reading in to the verse what YOU want it to say —it simple states God will make a new contract.
Hebrews 9 “Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:7-9 (KJV)”
[Not according to the Old Covenant!!]
[You say—The contract was not flawed, it was an honest and legal agreement but the children of Israel were simply incapable of living up to their part of the agreement. The Israelite‘s were an unconverted physical people unable to control themselves. One can make that very same assessment to day.]
# yes THEY did not honor the contract, they did not fulfill their side of the agreement as they were carnal humans with carnal human nature and human nature hates God’s Law.
[In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.]
Heb 8:13 (KJV)
[It is gone vanished no longer in effect, pretty clear.]
# destined — you are reading into the verse what YOU want it to say!!!!
# God is calling the first contract “Old” , OK its “old” but not gone. And ”which decayeth” does not mean it is gone, it is starting to rot. I have a tree in my yard that is decaying but it is full of green leaves and is not yet –dead.
#” Waxeth old; Strong’s says “growing old”, yes simply it is growing old as I am growing old, but it and I am still here.
#”Ready to vanish” — come on, do you not understand the difference between “ready to vanish” and VANISHED? Do not read into a verse what you demand it says.
# So far you are 100% — IN-correct!
Hebrews 8: 6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator — of a better covenant,– which was established upon better promises.
[You say—The NEW Covenant was established upon BETTER PROMISES and NOT the removal of God’s Holy LAW !!]
[Look here is the removal of the Old Testament Law, predicted in the Old Testament– it would become obsolete, it has been replaced by the New Testament Covenant. ]
# destined — Please reread 8: 6 the last three words are “upon better promises” and there is not ONE mention of replacing the LAW!
# So far you are reading into scripture what you want them to say – EVERY WORD OF GOD MUST BE READ AND UNDERSTOOD TO GAIN THE TRUTH.
[As a result of the death and resurrection of Christ, true Spirit filled believers understand that they are not under the Old Testament Law. This article will help the reader to understand the new Law of Christ.]
# destined you can not bring to the fore one single verse that state spirit filled believers think, believe, or understand the Law is gone and they are not “under” it.
# Do you not understand the term –“Under the curse of the LAW” and what is that Curse? The Death penalty!!! Jesus Christ REMOVED THE DEATH PENALTY — not the LAW.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
[The Old Testament law is fulfilled as they come to pass in the New Testament revelations.]
# destined??? What does that statement even mean?? Are you attempting to say as the Law is obeyed — then ends???? God created LOGIC for His called out ones to use to prove ALL things – your statement just above is — illogical.
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
[The Old Testament Law of Moses, written on tablets of stone, was given unto Israel after the flesh. These people continuously rejected God the Father and served many strange gods, only a remnant sought Jehovah through faith.]
Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
# God is putting that very LAW– that you hate — INTO OUR MINDS i.e. inward parts. Think about that statement—yes the children of Israel are flesh and blood carnal humans with human nature and they can not keep God’s Holy Law as long as they have carnal human nature—–So God the Father is going to put in us HIS Divine HOLY Nature that LOVES the Law – what do you think ?? God is going to write with a pen on our brains HIS LAW? —–Jeremiah- from the old testament- is saying God is putting “MY LAW” into them—in the old testament there was no new law only the 10 Commandments
### WHICH IS THE LAW GOD IN PUTTING IN OUR MINDS IN OUR VERY NATURE! The law you want to be cast far away; God is –eventually – is going to put in your mind.
[The second covenant was the Law of Christ written in the hearts of men, Israel after the Spirit.]
# WOW, “the law of Christ”, which is love God and love your neighbor. Correct. AND JUST HOW DO YOU DO THAT??? By keeping all 10 of God’s HOLY Commandments, The first 4 show us how to love God and the remaining 6 how to love our neighbor.
[This passage refers to the whole house of Israel. All of mankind can now believe in Christ and serve Him in newness of Spirit through faith, hope and love. Everyone that trusts in the cross of Christ is counted as the Israel of God.]
# Do you not understand you are putting your words in the mouth of God the Father and HIS SON Jesus Christ??
Isa 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart [is] my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of them.
[Isaiah prophesized of the true followers of God; this people would know the new law of Christ and it would be in their hearts and minds. Following the New Testament law of Jesus instead of the Old Testament Law of men, would enable them to one day receive redemption at the second coming]
# Those are all your words and not Isaiah. But one comment: “the Old Testament Law of MEN’???? Destined just who was it that wrote that HOLY LAW with HIS finger???? WAS IT MOSES??? NO IT WAS GOD WRITING HIS LAW WITH HIS FINGER. YOU are creating your very own religion, you are not following the Word of God.
Isaiah 51:11Therefore the redeemed of the LORD shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall be upon their head: they shall obtain gladness and joy; and sorrow and mourning shall flee away.
[This is the second gathering of the true Israel, the church that Christ bought; it also is a future prophecy awaiting the return of Jesus as King of Kings.]
# actually it is the 3rd return of the 12 tribes to the Promised Land as promised to Abraham.
[Modern day Israel is a man made gathering of a people that for the most part despise Jesus. The second gathering of God’s Israel is a spiritual event dealing with a redeemed people; the word redeemed refers to our salvation when we are transformed at Christ’s second coming.]
[Stick to your distorted beliefs in the Old Testament, even though they speak of Christ and His New Law.]
#### WHAT???? The distorted beliefs in the Old Testament???? Have you lost your mind?? Do you not even comprehend what you are saying —- you are saying God is a liar and HE gave us bad knowledge and evil laws……
[but don’t use the New Testament, which you do not believe in and continue to butcher!!!]
# I did not realize just how far you are from the Truth of GOD, and this getting frustrating.
# Do you not understand any of the Words of Jesus Christ? When HE told Satan we are to live by every WORD of God, THERE WAS ONLY THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THE HOLY LAW OF GOD. The new was fifteen hundred years in the future before it would be even available as a book. For over a thousand years those called of God had some of the letters of the Apostles and the Torah which is called The Law and the Prophet to study.
The OLD and the NEW speak the same TRUTH—GOD DOES NOT CHANGE.
I am done – your mind is so corrupted it can not understanding the Word of God.